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Message 1683319 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:13:45 UTC - in response to Message 1683261.  

Well all men know that women look down their noses at men as "things" to be tolerated in "their" world. Let's face it we get told that enough all the time around here.


All men really?

I have to say that of the women I have met both personally and professionally, I cannot think of any that "look down their noses at men as "things" to be tolerated in "their" world."

I must be mixing with the wrong sort of women then.

And women don't mix with the wrong sort of men.

Then assume all/most men are like 'them'?

That is a valid point. I take care to surround myself with good men and my life is better for it. However, it has taken me years to figure out how to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Unlike in the 1950s and 1960s, men these days have to be judged on their actual merit to impress a woman. Its not enough any more to simply be male. There are some that are still upset about this and they then go around accusing the women who challenge them on their sh*t of being man haters.

I don't hate men, I hate a**holes.
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Message 1683321 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:18:20 UTC - in response to Message 1683310.  

I assume you do not remember this comment you made to me when discussing the word "manager"

Managers are male, Manageresses are female. Administrators or Supervisors can be either. It is just words at the end of the day. I encountered many androgynous females in my time working for an ex Civil Service outfit, that wanted to play that game. They got short thrift from me. They were females and they got treated as such, none of this modern pc rubbish for me.

Yes of course I do. I knew a couple that wore two piece suits and tried the macho approach. They got treated as equals with any other male manager. If they cocked up they got the same treatment. Of course there was a measure of politeness, as in if I disagreed with an annual appraisement I could say to a male boss, look mate, I'm not having any of that alter it or else. To a woman boss it was, I'm sorry but I am not prepared to sign it as it stands.

So, another poster taking the time and trouble to look through all of my old posts looking for things to comment upon. Sounds to me like a group attempt to disparage me. Carry on by all means.
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Message 1683323 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:22:15 UTC - in response to Message 1683289.  


I have treated women as equals since 1979


Why only since then? I have treated them as equals since 1944.

For someone who has publicly stated that they stand up for Britain when it gets knocked...

Yes I do. Got a problem with that?

1944? that's not possible, you were not long born, so according to your statement, you were born with full intelligence & knowledge of life? Pure B/S.

As for your 2nd statement, I don't have a problem whatsoever, just cannot stop roflmao at your constant inconsistencies.

All I see is someone with very large chips on their shoulders & the worst sexist on these boards.
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Message 1683326 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:32:24 UTC

Well all men know that women look down their noses at men as "things" to be tolerated in "their" world. Let's face it we get told that enough all the time around here.

men these days have to be judged on their actual merit to impress a woman. Its not enough any more to simply be male.

Well there you have it guys, I couldn't have put it better myself. We are not worthy of their attention. Perhaps the women of other star systems are more friendly? Hurry up Seti !!!
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Message 1683329 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:35:54 UTC - in response to Message 1683326.  
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Well all men know that women look down their noses at men as "things" to be tolerated in "their" world. Let's face it we get told that enough all the time around here.

men these days have to be judged on their actual merit to impress a woman. Its not enough any more to simply be male.

Well there you have it guys, I couldn't have put it better myself. We are not worthy of their attention. Perhaps the women of other star systems are more friendly? Hurry up Seti !!!

Chris, do you feel that being male should be enough to make up for any flaws in your character?
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Message 1683337 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:43:13 UTC - in response to Message 1683321.  

I assume you do not remember this comment you made to me when discussing the word "manager"

Managers are male, Manageresses are female. Administrators or Supervisors can be either. It is just words at the end of the day. I encountered many androgynous females in my time working for an ex Civil Service outfit, that wanted to play that game. They got short thrift from me. They were females and they got treated as such, none of this modern pc rubbish for me.

Yes of course I do. I knew a couple that wore two piece suits and tried the macho approach. They got treated as equals with any other male manager. If they cocked up they got the same treatment. Of course there was a measure of politeness, as in if I disagreed with an annual appraisement I could say to a male boss, look mate, I'm not having any of that alter it or else. To a woman boss it was, I'm sorry but I am not prepared to sign it as it stands.

So, another poster taking the time and trouble to look through all of my old posts looking for things to comment upon. Sounds to me like a group attempt to disparage me. Carry on by all means.


I did not need to look through your old posts the comment "They got short thrift from me. They were females and they got treated as such, none of this modern pc rubbish for me." Struck me as quite unreal and I kept it.

"They were female and got treated as such", not, they were treated the same as the male managers which is now what you say you meant.

What I am trying to say is that if you were brought up in the 50's as I was there is absolutely no way women were treated as equals. My father worked and earned the money my mother stayed at home and brought up the children.

That was how it was. In 1979 While working for BT a female friend of mine asked me if she thought becoming an engineer would be possible. I said go for it.

Do you know what happened I was called aside by my boss a couple of weeks later and asked if I knew the female who had applied to become an engineer I said I did and was told in no uncertain terms that this was a very bad idea and they were going to have to find a way to make sure it didn't happen.

That was when I started to question what I believed about women.

Sexism was rife in all the big companies and yet you apparently didn't notice. I worked for BT for 22 years and never had a female boss or even worked with any female engineers.
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Message 1683343 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 16:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 1683337.  

An excellent post. For me Bernie, it wasn't 1979 but December 26th 1976. That was the day that women on the railways achieved equal status with men.

Many a man was knocked back because of seniority. That was the name of the game back then & I personally had no issue with that. If a woman had more service than me, if she qualified as a driver, she should get the job before me. It meant that I got rated later than what I would have done if that law had not been introduced.

Personally, they did the job just as good as men.

Now let's look into History - Just who took the place of men in important industries during WW1 & II?

They did a good job then, so was surprised to see it only become law in 1976!
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Message 1683348 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:01:49 UTC - in response to Message 1683337.  

Struck me as quite unreal and I kept it.

I wonder why you would want to do that, seems a bit weird to me.

What I am trying to say is that if you were brought up in the 50's as I was there is absolutely no way women were treated as equals. My father worked and earned the money my mother stayed at home and brought up the children.

Sigh, again you miss the point. Yes that is correct, that was exactly the same in my family. But when I was at school I treated the girls just the same as the boys. If they wanted to play football why the hell not. If they wanted to crib homework, OK. But if a boy teased a girl and made her cry I would challenge him.

Sexism was rife in all the big companies and yet you apparently didn't notice. I worked for BT for 22 years and never had a female boss or even worked with any female engineers.

You know very well that I spent 25 years with that company, 5 of them in a Central London Area, and the final 20 in THQ in managerial positions. Yes of course in the areas and provinces, women engineers were very few and far between, mainly because they generally didn't want to do that sort of job, not because they weren't allowed to. At the higher levels you found that the Personnel Depts were particularly well staffed with high flyer women, also the Financial Divisions, and in the Engineering Depts also, at Head of Section and Head of Division posts.

You were not there I was, you only saw one side of the company, I saw both.
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Message 1683352 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:09:26 UTC - in response to Message 1683343.  
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Many a man was knocked back because of seniority. That was the name of the game back then & I personally had no issue with that. If a woman had more service than me, if she qualified as a driver, she should get the job before me. It meant that I got rated later than what I would have done if that law had not been introduced.

Personally, they did the job just as good as men.

Good reply +1 Gertrude got a spare pill handy?

Now let's look into History - Just who took the place of men in important industries during WW1 & II?

When the men were enlisted to go off and fight, of course the women left at home worked in the ordnance factories etc. If they had not have done, we could not have supported the men in the trenches. In all conflicts everyone plays the best part that they can.

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Message 1683353 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:09:34 UTC - in response to Message 1683343.  
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Now let's look into History - Just who took the place of men in important industries during WW1 & II?

Queen Elisabeth II was helping driving lorrys to assist people in need.
Madame Curie was driving with her X-ray machine near the front.
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Message 1683354 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:09:35 UTC - in response to Message 1683348.  

OK. But if a boy teased a girl and made her cry I would challenge him.
Ah Sir Galahad. Surprising considering your recent comments.

You were not there I was, you only saw one side of the company, I saw both.

So because you saw both, you deem his views/opinions of what he saw as invalid?
Damn you really do live in a tight cloistered world, mainly of your own making.
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Message 1683357 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:14:44 UTC - in response to Message 1683348.  

Struck me as quite unreal and I kept it.

I wonder why you would want to do that, seems a bit weird to me.

What I am trying to say is that if you were brought up in the 50's as I was there is absolutely no way women were treated as equals. My father worked and earned the money my mother stayed at home and brought up the children.

Sigh, again you miss the point. Yes that is correct, that was exactly the same in my family. But when I was at school I treated the girls just the same as the boys. If they wanted to play football why the hell not. If they wanted to crib homework, OK. But if a boy teased a girl and made her cry I would challenge him.

Sexism was rife in all the big companies and yet you apparently didn't notice. I worked for BT for 22 years and never had a female boss or even worked with any female engineers.

You know very well that I spent 25 years with that company, 5 of them in a Central London Area, and the final 20 in THQ in managerial positions. Yes of course in the areas and provinces, women engineers were very few and far between, mainly because they generally didn't want to do that sort of job, not because they weren't allowed to. At the higher levels you found that the Personnel Depts were particularly well staffed with high flyer women, also the Financial Divisions, and in the Engineering Depts also, at Head of Section and Head of Division posts.

You were not there I was, you only saw one side of the company, I saw both.

High flying women in the personnel dept not as real engineers , that was seen as a mans job even now by some, so please don't patronise me. In 2008 I had to fight to take on a female engineer at my last company, she was the best but it was an uphill struggle.

I have read this thread over many weeks and decided that nothing I could say would make anyone who has these views that they treat women the same and yet every post suggests in fact they do not, see that.

It was a waste of time on my part and I am not sure why I felt I could make a difference..
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Message 1683358 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:16:17 UTC

Queen Elisabeth II was helping driving lorrys to assist people in need.

Yes she did!

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Message 1683360 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:20:50 UTC - in response to Message 1683358.  

At least get it right. That is a military ambulance.
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Message 1683365 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:33:49 UTC - in response to Message 1683360.  

At least get it right. That is a military ambulance.

It looks like a truck to me, a military ambulance truck?

Women stepped up in WWII and took the jobs that men were doing. They had been told for so long that women couldn't do these jobs, that they were too weak, or it would make them infertile etc that it was a surprise to them when they did them just as well. Suddenly women were allowed to earn their own money and be independent. They could make their own choices. You will hear many accounts from women of that generation about how the war was the best time of their lives for this very reason.

Then the war was over and these women who had discovered new freedom were told to give the jobs back to the men and go back into the home.

The second world war was the biggest catalyst for the feminist revolution. Can you imagine being able to suddenly work and be independent and free after always being told that the reason woman couldn't do these things was because they were incapable?

The 50s was a reaction against this and a concerted effort was made to put women back where they 'belonged'. It was a terrible, repressive era for women, especially as so many of them had had a glimpse of freedom. Women who were unhappy were put on medication or locked up in asylums. Alcoholism was rife. It is no wonder that the feminists of the 60s and 70s were so angry.
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Message 1683367 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 17:41:56 UTC - in response to Message 1683365.  

Credit where it is due, that was a good post from ES99.

After months of begging her father to let his heir pitch in, Elizabeth—then an 18-year-old princess—joined the Women’s Auxiliary Territorial Service during World War II. Known as Second Subaltern Elizabeth Windsor, she donned a pair of coveralls and trained in London as a mechanic and military truck driver. The queen remains the only female member of the royal family to have entered the armed forces and is the only living head of state who served in World War II.

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Message 1683482 - Posted: 23 May 2015, 23:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 1683295.  
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I hate fake boobs. I don't understand if this is really a thing men supposedly like as nearly everyone I talk to doesn't like them either. Women should stop doing this and most other cosmetic surgery immediately!

Right, so the guys you talk to don't like boob jobs so women should be stop having cosmetic surgery in order to stop offending your male sense of taste? I hope you realize how incredibly sexist that is.


What!?!? I say that women shouldn't go through with cosmetic surgery because I think they should be happy with the bodies they have and you tell me it is sexist? And further you assert that their doing this offends my male sense of taste? It couldn't possibly be about me wanting people to feel good about themselves naturally?

Its been noted that cosmetic surgery can have a very positive effect on a person's sense of self worth.


Their self worth shouldn't come from their breast size. But obviously since you've felt the need to broadly defend cosmetic surgery against a boob job comment, I do understand that there are times where cosmetic surgery can help during certain situations such as after a terrible car accident. I would hope that in context with a boob job comment, you would understand that I am only referring to unnecessary cosmetic surgery like buttocks injections and lip injections just for the sake of altering one's appearance to best fit some notion of beauty.
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Message 1683515 - Posted: 24 May 2015, 0:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 1683482.  

I hate fake boobs. I don't understand if this is really a thing men supposedly like as nearly everyone I talk to doesn't like them either. Women should stop doing this and most other cosmetic surgery immediately!

Right, so the guys you talk to don't like boob jobs so women should be stop having cosmetic surgery in order to stop offending your male sense of taste? I hope you realize how incredibly sexist that is.


What!?!? I say that women shouldn't go through with cosmetic surgery because I think they should be happy with the bodies they have and you tell me it is sexist? And further you assert that their doing this offends my male sense of taste? It couldn't possibly be about me wanting people to feel good about themselves naturally?

Its been noted that cosmetic surgery can have a very positive effect on a person's sense of self worth.


Their self worth shouldn't come from their breast size. But obviously since you've felt the need to broadly defend cosmetic surgery against a boob job comment, I do understand that there are times where cosmetic surgery can help during certain situations such as after a terrible car accident. I would hope that in context with a boob job comment, you would understand that I am only referring to unnecessary cosmetic surgery like buttocks injections and lip injections just for the sake of altering one's appearance to best fit some notion of beauty.


You are still telling women what they should and shouldn't do, that is sexist.
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Message 1683523 - Posted: 24 May 2015, 1:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 1683515.  

You are still telling women what they should and shouldn't do, that is sexist.

I think OzzFan's only lapse in judgement was in not parsing his statement to include men in his "Don't do this".
It was more than obvious he meant that cosmetic plastic surgery was a band-aid, and not a solution, to low self esteem.
It's getting to be ridiculous how often the invective of "Sexist" gets thrown around on this forum.
If Emma Watson is an example of a fourth wave feminist, I'll look forward to the fifth and sixth wave.
Society may be moving in the right direction.
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Message 1683526 - Posted: 24 May 2015, 1:53:48 UTC - in response to Message 1683515.  
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You are still telling women what they should and shouldn't do, that is sexist.


Telling people what they should or should not do has nothing to do with sexism. That the topic has to do with female boob jobs (as brought up by your daughter), does not automatically mean my views are limited to females alone.
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