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Message 1718533 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 10:39:46 UTC

AMD owners under Windows 10,try next thing:
1) launch Catalyst control center.
2) press "settings" in upper right corner
3) select "Follow Windows Scheme"/
4) enjoy CCC disappearance and new ugly style it will have after manual reastart :/
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Message 1719033 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 10:08:12 UTC
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That`s why i never do automatic updates.

Data collection are coming on Win 7 and 8 too.

http://winaero.com/blog/telemetry-and-data-collection-are-coming-to-windows-7-and-windows-8-too/
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Message 1719047 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 12:24:53 UTC - in response to Message 1719033.  
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LoL, nice M$ approach: "So, you like Win7&8 for better privacy? Well, we'll kill privacy there too then you will accept Win10!"

OMG, I predicted that.. .but not for Win7 !!!

Another thing that's out of your control is that the operating system ignores any lines you may have added to the HOSTS file, so you cannot block the IP addresses of those servers in the usual way. They are hardcoded into system files and cannot be turned off easily.


2-sides external firewall is nessecity these days.
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Message 1719048 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 12:33:09 UTC - in response to Message 1719033.  

That`s why i never do automatic updates.

Data collection are coming on Win 7 and 8 too.

http://winaero.com/blog/telemetry-and-data-collection-are-coming-to-windows-7-and-windows-8-too/

And to that I say. No thank you.
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Message 1719102 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 14:59:29 UTC

Hi,
Seems Nvidia have released a hotfix driver for Win10 to sort out memory hogging under Win10.. may only apply to SLI config's..

Apparently AMD are also having similar problems..

For anyone using win10 pro, and having disabled driver updates it probably wont be needed.
Anyways yet another problem with M$'s new OS..


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Message 1719163 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 17:41:49 UTC - in response to Message 1719047.  

LoL, nice M$ approach: "So, you like Win7&8 for better privacy? Well, we'll kill privacy there too then you will accept Win10!"

OMG, I predicted that.. .but not for Win7 !!!

Another thing that's out of your control is that the operating system ignores any lines you may have added to the HOSTS file, so you cannot block the IP addresses of those servers in the usual way. They are hardcoded into system files and cannot be turned off easily.


2-sides external firewall is nessecity these days.

Yep, I posted something similar a few days ago;
...are you aware M$ can change the EULA for Windows 7 Anytime they desire? Yes, read the current Windows 7 EULA, they can do whatever they wish and they have demonstrated what they wish with Windows 10. So, don't be surprised to wake up one morning and find the Windows 7 EULA has been 'modified'. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Just wait, soon M$ will probably force you to allow then to Scan/Record/Report your Personal Files in 7 & 8. What, you thought you could out M$ MS?
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Message 1719200 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 18:52:33 UTC

because os's crash it is always wish to install the os on 1 drive
and every thing you might want to recover on 1 or more others.
i have been running the evaluation copy of 10 for several months now
and as far as i can see the lilo multi os loader and the registry involving licensing seem to be very sensitive but other than that windows 10 runs robustly
and smoothly and i have found solutions to any driver or install problems i have had with the exception of very old games.
i have crashed 10 a couple of time requiring reload thought both times were my fault so win 10 like all of its predecessors fixes so problem causes so more and generally move thing on.
unix works well to it just takes a lot more hands on while setting up.

as to machines that are only running seti the less you load the faster it will run so a minimum install of something like linux mint could work well.
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Message 1719208 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 19:06:28 UTC

One major problem with the "Free" upgrade offer is that it removes the transferability of the license. The license is tied to the device. So for enthusiasts like me who gradually refreshes the system Windows 10 upgrade is a no-go. Once you upgrade the motherboard you need to buy a new license. I could be interested in a upgrade license offer that involves a transferable license (between devices), that was the case with the predecessor Windows 8.

Additionally the disadvantages:
- global advertising ID
- use of Live ID as account
- Windows store that mandates the above. By comparison the Windows Update is nicer for desktops.
- EDGE browser that cant be removed. High time for EU commission to step up and reapply the free browser of choice option.
- associated spy/clutter ware in conjunction with above. Firefox with AD Block + and Ghostery is the norm.
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Message 1719295 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 21:18:18 UTC - in response to Message 1719208.  

Firefox with AD Block + and Ghostery is the norm.

May I recommend you uBlock Origin instead:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm

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Message 1719300 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 21:28:20 UTC

May I recommend you uBlock Origin instead:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/

Thanks, I'll give it a test drive.

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Message 1719356 - Posted: 27 Aug 2015, 23:55:14 UTC
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I guess, my previous thoughts still apply.
Most of us are very computer savvy, and know how to do things others don't.
What concerns me the most is that we may be the last generation to
fully understand what privacy means. We can delay the information collection for a few years at best. Then what. The children of today already carry smart phones, which collect much more information than Win 10 does. Microsoft is just getting on the band wagon with every other company. It had to in order to stay profitable for the long term. There are still OS's like Linux, which will remain under user control for the foreseeable future, but what happens in 5 years, 10 tears, 50 years?

I am using Win 10, and am slowly turning on functionality, knowing full well that my smart phone collects way more than Microsoft does now. I am really concerned about the future. Of course most of us have the skills to stop the data heading out, but the masses don't. Even we can only maintain it for a limited amount of time.

I do have a positive comment about Win 10. It is an easy learning curve, and works similar to Win 7. When they switched from XP to Vista, the whole directory tree changed. That was a pain, except for the most robust user. At least for the new Win 10, that is much the same as Win 7.

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Message 1719357 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:00:16 UTC - in response to Message 1719356.  

Sorry, the kitties have advised me not to touch it.
Too much bloat, too much intrusiveness that has to be turned off just to make it safe to use.

Kitties are usually correct in their judging of such things.

I am not going near 10.
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Message 1719358 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:05:34 UTC - in response to Message 1719357.  

Sorry, the kitties have advised me not to touch it.
Too much bloat, too much intrusiveness that has to be turned off just to make it safe to use.

Kitties are usually correct in their judging of such things.

I am not going near 10.

I have advised my own father not to touch it. Not because it collects information, but because he has used a computer for over 25 years, and barely knows how to turn one on. Things will change for him, and he is 80 years old, and doesn't react well to change. As I said, we can get around the data collection for a few years, but the future (present) is much more like the book 1984, than we realize.

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Message 1719360 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1719033.  

That`s why i never do automatic updates.

Data collection are coming on Win 7 and 8 too.

http://winaero.com/blog/telemetry-and-data-collection-are-coming-to-windows-7-and-windows-8-too/

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... Another thing that's out of your control is that the operating system ignores any lines you may have added to the HOSTS file, so you cannot block the IP addresses of those servers in the usual way. They are hardcoded into system files and cannot be turned off easily...


To me, looks like Microsoft is very determined to have everything about you pawned for their profit and your loss.

Incredible.


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Message 1719362 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:16:25 UTC

The posts in this thread have convinced me to let sleeping dogs lay. My 7 and 8.1 boxes shall remain what they are. I can deal with 8.1 and 7 is really quite OK.
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Message 1719363 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 1719360.  




To me, looks like Microsoft is very determined to have everything about you pawned for their profit and your loss.

Incredible.


IT is only what we allow it to be...
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The same as Google, Amazon, and Apple.
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Message 1719364 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:22:10 UTC - in response to Message 1719362.  

The posts in this thread have convinced me to let sleeping dogs lay. My 7 and 8.1 boxes shall remain what they are. I can deal with 8.1 and 7 is really quite OK.

I agree. I have not found anything in Win 10 that Win 7 doesn't already do. I understand where things are going, but so far I can't see an advantage to Win 10 over Win 7.

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Message 1719365 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:22:21 UTC - in response to Message 1719363.  




To me, looks like Microsoft is very determined to have everything about you pawned for their profit and your loss.

Incredible.


IT is only what we allow it to be...
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The same as Google, Amazon, and Apple.


And Google is using a customized version of Linux to do so.
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Message 1719367 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:23:41 UTC - in response to Message 1719365.  
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To me, looks like Microsoft is very determined to have everything about you pawned for their profit and your loss.

Incredible.


IT is only what we allow it to be...
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The same as Google, Amazon, and Apple.


And Google is using a customized version of Linux to do so.

That, I didn't know......

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Message 1719369 - Posted: 28 Aug 2015, 0:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1719358.  

As I said, we can get around the data collection for a few years, but the future (present) is much more like the book 1984, than we realize.

Steve


Watch Terminator, Genysis. The Skynet, the evil being, is doing exactly what 10 is trying to do.........
Connect everything, monitor everything, overtake and control everything.

The movie was a bit ahead of it's time. But Skynet is here, in the form of Windows 10. It is is evil incarnate. And if you do not see that, I shall survive it longer than you shall.

Once 10 is downloaded, it takes control of some things that you CANNOT recover.
10 is not an OS, it is a VIRUS.
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