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Message 1686777 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 23:30:08 UTC

I am looking forward to Windows 10, except for one thing. I will lose control of updates, which can force reboots at a bad time. As I am a software engineer, I create tests that can take over a week to complete. An unscheduled reboot could cost a week of testing.

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Message 1686784 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 23:51:39 UTC - in response to Message 1686777.  
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Steve,

If I'm not mistaken, that's only the case with Win10 Home, not Pro.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

"Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates."

Not sure if "defer" means "defer forever" if you want to avoid certain updates. I would hate to have Microsoft's Nvidia drivers forced on me.

Something else I'm curious about - what happens when I need to reinstall Windows if I've done the downloaded upgrade? How will I do that without physical media?
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Message 1686785 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 0:01:35 UTC

That is the very reason I will just buy a copy. I would hate to reinstall Win 7, just to reload Win 10. I still don't know if it will end up being a service or not.

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Message 1686786 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 0:13:46 UTC - in response to Message 1686784.  

Steve,

If I'm not mistaken, that's only the case with Win10 Home, not Pro.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

"Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates."

Not sure if "defer" means "defer forever" if you want to avoid certain updates. I would hate to have Microsoft's Nvidia drivers forced on me.

Something else I'm curious about - what happens when I need to reinstall Windows if I've done the downloaded upgrade? How will I do that without physical media?

This means that THREE of our Win 7 x64 systems will be forced into Win 10 Home... ONLY Prometheus, (Win 7 Pro), will step up to Win 10 Pro.

I, also, am concerned about just blindly upgrading via download. I would like to be able to burn an install copy for each respective computer that is being upgraded. If unable to do this prior to install; will Win 10 have the ability to burn a "Recovery" Set should something go wrong after successful installation. (Such as Virus attack, data corruption, files going bad... Whatever...)


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Message 1686802 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:21:51 UTC

The last time I tested the windows 10 beta, the updates were always forced and you could only choose between automatic or scheduled restart after updates were installed. I understand that this makes sense because they need current builds to be tested, and computers that stubbornly insist on staying with older drivers don't provide them microsoft with useful feedback for development.

I don't know if the final version of windows 10 will have the same level or lack thereof of update/restart control.

The only reason I'm not running windows 10 beta right now is because the amd drivers that are included with windows 10 didn't give me control over crossfire; I always turn crossfire off because that setting gives more crunching performance. I had tried replacing microsoft's amd windows 10 drivers with the latest from the amd website, but every time I did that, windows 10 would revert back automatically to microsoft's drivers. The driver dates on amd's drivers from the amd website were newer, but it looked like the version numbering for windows 10 drivers was different so microsoft's amd drivers always won out in the end. Of course if I didn't have any multi-gpu machines I wouldn't have even been concerned with crossfire and windows 10 would have been an appropriate test for me. This problem wouldn't affect nvidia users because the easiest way to ensure sli isn't enabled is to not install the sli bridges in the first place.
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Message 1686803 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:23:09 UTC - in response to Message 1686773.  

I'm going to assume that computers on a domain and unregistered copies of windows don't get the notification,


Any computer relying on Windows Update will get the notification. Any computer managed by WSUS or SCCM will only get the notification if the Admin/Engineer pushes out the appropriate patch.
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Message 1686808 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:31:17 UTC

We run WSUS so I would expect that the patch would not be pushed out by default. It would be a lot of work for me if a hundred field reps trashed their computers all at once upgrading to windows 10.
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Message 1686810 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:32:07 UTC - in response to Message 1686808.  

Agreed. I won't be deploying it through SCCM either.
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Message 1686828 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 2:51:49 UTC

I wasn't aware that non-Microsoft drivers - particularly GPU drivers that are pertinent to us here - would be forced on users in Windows 10. I'm normally not too fussed about Microsoft Updates specific to the Windows system itself, though there are sometimes cases of systems breaking with bad updates being pushed out prematurely. But I'd really prefer to be in control of the hardware drivers even though, for me, the current stable releases have been fine.

I did a quick search and found cases of people hacking the registry in order to regain the ability to completely disable Microsoft Updates in the Windows 10 previews. If that's what we have to do to achieve anything except 'automatically download and install updates' (and automatically reboot too) for the final release in Windows 10, I'll be really disappointed. I could also hope that PC games move away from their reliance on DirectX and Windows, but I don't think that will happen in the short term.
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Message 1686830 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 2:54:15 UTC

Downloading the technical preview through Windows update using windows 10 insider preview once this is downloaded the installation file does it allow you to turn your computer off before installing or must it install the update like any other windows updates before you can turn your computer off. If I was to download the ISO does it give you the option to install from hard drive as an upgrade. Whatever way you do the installation it is quite in the processes isn't it like 3 to 4 hours. I will be upgrading from windows 8.1
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Message 1686834 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 3:11:10 UTC - in response to Message 1686729.  

Prometheus, (my Pentium E5200 machine on Win 7 Pro), now has a white Windows icon to the left of the Action Center Flag. When I hover over the Win icon, it prompts me to "Get Windows 10".

Voyager, (my Win 7 laptop), has been off for awhile. I will need to run Windows Update on it before I check for the "Get Windows 10" icon there.

Do I dare click on this "Get Windows 10" icon now, or wait awhile???


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As has been said it allows you to "reserve a copy" I did and what it suggests is that on the 29th July when the machine is on it will download the 3GB of WIN 10 and then let you know when it is ready to install.

My problem is I have 4 machines running WIN 7 but only 2 have the "Upgrade to WIN 10" icon, I hope this does not mean there will be a problem with the other two!!

All the PC's at the 60+ club have the icon except the one that has been reporting an illegal copy of windows

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Message 1686837 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 3:12:39 UTC - in response to Message 1686777.  

I am looking forward to Windows 10, except for one thing. I will lose control of updates, which can force reboots at a bad time. As I am a software engineer, I create tests that can take over a week to complete. An unscheduled reboot could cost a week of testing.

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With the current beta versions it is a pain to actually disable updates. I imagine there will probably be a 3rd party tool to make it easier in the future.
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Message 1686839 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 3:15:56 UTC - in response to Message 1686828.  

I wasn't aware that non-Microsoft drivers - particularly GPU drivers that are pertinent to us here - would be forced on users in Windows 10. I'm normally not too fussed about Microsoft Updates specific to the Windows system itself, though there are sometimes cases of systems breaking with bad updates being pushed out prematurely. But I'd really prefer to be in control of the hardware drivers......



Yes, this is my biggest concern, besides what to do if I need to reinstall the OS. If Microsoft's forced video drivers caused errors with crunching, and we were stuck with them, it would be a disaster.
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Message 1686862 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 4:37:33 UTC - in response to Message 1686839.  
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I wasn't aware that non-Microsoft drivers - particularly GPU drivers that are pertinent to us here - would be forced on users in Windows 10. I'm normally not too fussed about Microsoft Updates specific to the Windows system itself, though there are sometimes cases of systems breaking with bad updates being pushed out prematurely. But I'd really prefer to be in control of the hardware drivers......



Yes, this is my biggest concern, besides what to do if I need to reinstall the OS. If Microsoft's forced video drivers caused errors with crunching, and we were stuck with them, it would be a disaster.

My guess is that you can Suspend BOINC, before upgrading.

Then see what drivers Win10 installs.
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Message 1686866 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 4:54:25 UTC

Don't worry too much about forced updates. I was testing the technical preview on my lappy and it was rather easy to disable automatic updates by changing some options in the group policy editor.

What I don't understand is why I should reserve a copy of W10 since it's free anyway. Also, I wonder if we will get the option for a clean install.
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Message 1686868 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 4:57:03 UTC - in response to Message 1686866.  

Don't worry too much about forced updates. I was testing the technical preview on my lappy and it was rather easy to disable automatic updates by changing some options in the group policy editor.

What I don't understand is why I should reserve a copy of W10 since it's free anyway. Also, I wonder if we will get the option for a clean install.

Probably MS attempt to get everyone to install Win10. Through 'nagging'.
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Message 1686902 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 6:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 1686868.  

Don't worry too much about forced updates. I was testing the technical preview on my lappy and it was rather easy to disable automatic updates by changing some options in the group policy editor.

What I don't understand is why I should reserve a copy of W10 since it's free anyway. Also, I wonder if we will get the option for a clean install.

Probably MS attempt to get everyone to install Win10. Through 'nagging'.


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Message 1686908 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:04:31 UTC - in response to Message 1686802.  

The last time I tested the windows 10 beta, the updates were always forced and you could only choose between automatic or scheduled restart after updates were installed. I understand that this makes sense because they need current builds to be tested, and computers that stubbornly insist on staying with older drivers don't provide them microsoft with useful feedback for development.

I don't know if the final version of windows 10 will have the same level or lack thereof of update/restart control.

From what I've read the Home version will still be automatic, no way around it.
The Pro & Corporate versions can be set to notify only, so updates can be tried on one system before being rolled out to others.
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Message 1686911 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:28:20 UTC

This VentureBeat article may be of interest for a few of you. My win7 laptop got the "upgrade to Windows 10" icon in the tray some time on Monday. You can get rid of it by uninstalling a recent update.

"Venture Beat" wrote:
The update behind this notification is KB3035583, which also happens to be responsible for the actual Windows 10 upgrade process. While KB3035583 was originally released in March, it was first offered as an Optional update, but more recently switched to Recommended (meaning users would automatically receive it if they have Automatic Updates turned on).

If you got this prompt (it appears as a Start button icon in the notification area on your taskbar) and want to get rid of it, this is the update you’ll want to uninstall.


I suspect that once you uninstall it, the next time your machine checks for updates, you might get it again. If you don't have 7/8 set to automatically download and automatically install, you can find 3035583 and right-click it and select "hide update." Personally, I've always gone with "check for updates, but let me choose what to download and let me choose when to install." ...maybe those of you with automatic download and install should change to one of the options that allow you to have control over things, at least until you can select that update and hide it, then you can change it back to automatic.
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Message 1686913 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:43:00 UTC - in response to Message 1686911.  

Hmmm, that's the kindof trolling I would expect from Apple, rather than MS. I suppose it shouldn't be all that surprising since MS sacked Jerry (Barnacules Nerdgasm) leaving him looking after a disabled son with no insurance, after I think a decade of service or more.

Yeah, business and marketing realities can be harsh, but being a$$holes can end up costing more than the projections factored in, if you only have idiots left.
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