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Message 1937259 - Posted: 26 May 2018, 14:01:55 UTC - in response to Message 1937228.  

Another 1804 issue reported, though very rare, is that the update may erroneously assign a hard drive letter to the hidden 450mb Win partition, causing it to mess up drive assignments and report a low disk space error on that partition.
Solution is to remove the assignment of a drive letter to that partition, either via command line or from windows.
Haven't seen this; just saw mention of it on Tom's Hardware.


I ran across this problem, it showed as a virtual drive which would increase over time, and if I remember correctly I was able to delete it but I can't exactly remember how. I do remember that I had to go to the web to find the answer, and I think it had something to do with the registry. The only other problem that I had was with 3.0 USB. Until then, the 3.0 USB ports were backward compatible and I had an 2.0 external Blu-Ray drive using a 3.0 port, which became unusable after the update as the system would not recognize it. I did find a 3.0 external enclosure ( NextStar DX) that uses an existing internal Blu-Ray/DVD drive and outputs it via the 3.0/3.1 USB with the same performance as if it was still an internal drive.


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Message 1941604 - Posted: 28 Jun 2018, 2:12:52 UTC

Have been down for the last several days. Update to version 1803 has basically bricked my machine.


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Message 1941644 - Posted: 28 Jun 2018, 10:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 1941604.  
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Have been down for the last several days. Update to version 1803 has basically bricked my machine.

Greetings Cliff,

Early on they postponed the release of 1803 because a problem was discovered and needed fixin'.

Perhaps the "fix" wasn't as thorough as M$ thought and is still causing problems. When mine was "upgraded" I noticed a few glitches in minor things afterwards. I no longer remember what they were.

My only thought on a fix would be to get the ISO and use Rufus to create a bootable flash drive and do a clean install. Kinda sucks, I know. Been there done that. :( But then, what if something in your system is incompatible and Window$ 10 does not spot it and still bricks the PC. Hmmm...

Can you get into... Crap, I can't remember what it is called. Dang memory! :( It's the bootup that allows a rollback to a previous working boot, something point. Dang, can't remember that either. :( Hopefully when this is read, someone with better memory can figure out what I was trying to say. Dang, I'm surprised I can still remember my name, Jane... Wait, that's not it. Is it George? Fred? Barney? ... ;)

Anyway Cliff, I hope you can get your PC straightened out and back up.

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[edit] Safe mode and Restore Point! I remembered them after about 5 minutes. :) [/edit]
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Message 1941692 - Posted: 28 Jun 2018, 19:46:27 UTC

I'm somewhat back in business. The main problem now is that whatever I try I can't get the Intel Ethernet drivers to install properly, but I'm still trying.


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Message 1944139 - Posted: 13 Jul 2018, 23:01:10 UTC

I finally got hit hit by the FCU Windows 10 update. Found out I no longer had the ability to do a System Restore Point nor Backup since those functions were now disabled and greyed out.

Finally got around to starting BOINC after cleaning up after the update thinking that the update hadn't done anything to the Nvidia drivers since they were the same as before the update.

Nope. Instant missing coprocessor messages in the Event Log as I madly scrambled for the Exit function in the Manager. So, thank you M$ for making me think you hadn't touched my drivers but in fact had done so.

Reinstalled the 397.63 drivers and got back my OpenCL support.
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Message 1944219 - Posted: 14 Jul 2018, 10:53:14 UTC

Greetings,

As much as I've learned to 'like' Windows 10, something HAS to be done about Micro$oft and their belief that THEY control all PCs in the world.

As much as I used to dislike Windows 10, I cannot envision the governments of the world switching over to Windows 10. It would not be in their best interest to hand over control of their thousands of PCs to Micro$oft.

As much as I've learned to 'like' Windows 10, why the hell would Micro$oft add a setting so as NOT to accept driver or other third party software if they're going to ignore the setting anyway? And why does the monthly update reset some settings? Micro$oft thinks they own OUR PCs!!!

Last month we went over our allotment of bandwidth from our ISP. The ISP decided to waive the additional 50GB bandwidth block fee because it was our first time going over. I have been watching bandwidth usage and I cannot figure out why Micro$oft Sticky Notes HAS TO ACCESS THE INTERNET. WTF!?!? I have Cortana disabled and it is wasting bandwidth. I looked into it and it's actually the Windows search function, but it's labeled "Cortana". I seldom if ever use the Windows search function. Why the hell is Cortana wasting my bandwidth?

Currently my acceptance of Windows 10 has stagnated. I have Windows 10 on this new PC for 2 reasons. 1.) Micro$oft demanded the chip manufacturers to NOT support any Micro$oft OS but Windows 10. It is a pain in the behind to try to install Win 7 on an 8th gen PC. 2.) Win 7 support ends in what? 6 months? So it's going the way of XP. Funny thing. I saw the OS that the V.A. Hospital is using, a few weeks ago, and it is NOT Windows 10. It actually looks like they're still using XP. I saw Win XP type screen savers running.

Ok, rant over. Gotta take a nap. ;)

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1944220 - Posted: 14 Jul 2018, 11:02:58 UTC

I will certainly be keeping my main daily driver rig on 7 as long as I am able to.
No doubt about it.
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Message 1944221 - Posted: 14 Jul 2018, 11:09:37 UTC - in response to Message 1944220.  

I will certainly be keeping my main daily driver rig on 7 as long as I am able to.
No doubt about it.
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Same here.
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Message 1944365 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 0:33:04 UTC - in response to Message 1944220.  

With 20/20 hindsight, I would have just not given the Windows 10 experiment the chance in the first place. But I was curious what it was all about compared to my Windows 7 computers. So it ended up on my first Ryzen experiment. When the time came for my next Ryzen build, I said No Thank You and went with Linux. The Windows 7 computers got upgraded to Ryzen+ and Linux also recently. Only the Windows10 computer remains on the Windows platform in my farm. I only keep it running because of not getting around to trying to make BoincTasks work with Wine on a Linux platform. That and wanting to keep a SIV installation around for debugging help for Ray.
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Message 1944395 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 7:32:57 UTC - in response to Message 1944219.  

As much as I've learned to 'like' Windows 10, something HAS to be done about Micro$oft and their belief that THEY control all PCs in the world.
You have not read the EULA:
By accepting this agreement or using the software, you agree to all of these terms, and consent to the transmission of certain information during activation and during your use of the software as per the privacy statement described in Section 3. If you do not accept and comply with these terms, you may not use the software or its features.

Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.
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Message 1944399 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 8:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 1944395.  

Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

Making Windows the same as Android & iOS.

At least with Win10 Pro I can disable driver updates & disable Cortana with the Group Policy Editor, and delay by several months OS updates.
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Message 1944418 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 11:18:27 UTC - in response to Message 1944395.  

As much as I've learned to 'like' Windows 10, something HAS to be done about Micro$oft and their belief that THEY control all PCs in the world.
You have not read the EULA:
By accepting this agreement or using the software, you agree to all of these terms, and consent to the transmission of certain information during activation and during your use of the software as per the privacy statement described in Section 3. If you do not accept and comply with these terms, you may not use the software or its features.

Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

Guess what? Who in their right mind sits and reads the WHOLE EULA when installing software? Do you? I doubt it. I don't. If one has other software (not from Micro$oft) that will only run on a Windows PC, what's a person to do? It's a fraking catch 22. The EULA is written by lawyers and in lawyer parlance. We have NO CHOICE but to accept the EULA so that we can run our software on a Windows PC. I'm no speed reader, it would take me an hour or more to read the EULA. And not understand about 75% of it to boot.

Micro$oft is a mega corporation and cannot be stopped. The government tried to end what they were doing when Gates was still the CEO. Didn't work then and will not work now or in the future.

Sorry my friend but I just cannot agree with what Micro$oft is doing. Just because I click "Agree" to accepting the EULA to install Windows in no way says I agree with it. I have no choice but to accept it or else not run the software I use that runs on Windows only, and quit using a computer altogether. As I said, catch 22.

Have a great day, Jord! :)

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Message 1944430 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 12:57:58 UTC - in response to Message 1944418.  
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Guess what? Who in their right mind sits and reads the WHOLE EULA when installing software? Do you? I doubt it.
I read the EULA when it was first available for Windows 10 and just based on that decided that none of my systems will ever get Windows 10 installed willingly. Not even if it's the last and only OS in the world.

Not reading the EULA ever? You must've missed that South Park episode.
So what it takes you an hour to read it all? What if there's a line in there that says you'll be giving your kidneys to Microsoft, unless you state definitively that you won't? Or that your house, car and mistress are after you click OK from them?

Always read the EULA. And otherwise, don't complain. You willingly said it was OK for them to misuse your computer in any way they see fit, while you had the chance to go for a Mac (with another proprietary OS) or Linux (and then install Windows 7 via KVM). And as has been pointed out plenty of times in this thread, Windows 7 runs fine on Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake, the only thing that won't install is the Intel GPU because those drivers are for Win10 only. You may need to do some handwork to get drivers unpacked, but essentially it'll work.
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Message 1944445 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 14:06:53 UTC - in response to Message 1944430.  

Guess what? Who in their right mind sits and reads the WHOLE EULA when installing software? Do you? I doubt it.
I read the EULA when it was first available for -[ snip ]-

Always read the EULA. And otherwise, don't complain. You willingly said it was OK for them to misuse your computer in any way they see fit, while you had the chance to go for a Mac (with another proprietary OS) or Linux (and then install Windows 7 via KVM). And as has been pointed out plenty of times in this thread, Windows 7 runs fine on Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake, the only thing that won't install is the Intel GPU because those drivers are for Win10 only. You may need to do some handwork to get drivers unpacked, but essentially it'll work.

Yeah, right! Install an OS that will be obsolete in 5.5 months. Really good idea there Jord. I'd already looked into installing Win 7 before I got my 8th gen parts to build. I decided that since end-of-life was too soon and that there are too many hoops to jump through to install Win 7 and the fact that no one will supply any driver updates for it because Micro$oft told them not too, I decided to byte the bullet and go with Windows 10.

I won't do Mac and I have tried to get Windows software to install on Linux with Wine and it just downright sux. Wine needs more evolution before it can run Windows software without crashing all the time and other such crap.

I can complain all I want about Micro$oft... :P

Have a great day my friend! :)

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Message 1944460 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 14:46:00 UTC - in response to Message 1944445.  

5.5 months? Windows 7 has support until January 2020, not 2019. And probably after that, seeing how they've released all kinds of updates for XP even though that one's no longer supported. As long as governments and communal homes keep using these versions, there'll be updates. It's also not as if Windows will all of a sudden be less secure after that date in January 2020, it won't stop working the next day, you can still download additional security for it. And really, when was the last time you had a security scare, virus, break in, ransomware?
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Message 1944490 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 17:29:14 UTC - in response to Message 1944460.  

5.5 months? Windows 7 has support until January 2020, not 2019. And probably after that, seeing how they've released all kinds of updates for XP even though that one's no longer supported. As long as governments and communal homes keep using these versions, there'll be updates. It's also not as if Windows will all of a sudden be less secure after that date in January 2020, it won't stop working the next day, you can still download additional security for it. And really, when was the last time you had a security scare, virus, break in, ransomware?

Ok, you got me on that one. lol My bad. For whatever reason I was thinking next year was 2020. That's what I get for thinking in the future. ;)

Are individuals like you and me allowed to get those XP updates IF we were still using the OS? I kinda think that it is the Enterprise version that is still getting the updates.

Third party security downloads? Would they be able to patch the OS if a security vulnerability was discovered after the E-o-L date? I doubt it. ;)

Anyway, gotta go, have a great day, my friend! :)

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Message 1944496 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 17:55:57 UTC - in response to Message 1944490.  
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Well, here's some questions for you, Rick:
- How do you know there were all those security flaws in Windows?
- How do you know they actually got patched?
- How come there are still people running Windows XP SP1, or a fully unpatched Windows 7, without any trouble in the world?

If you're behind a hardware firewall, you regularly run a good anti-malware program on your system and you don't go to the most obscure websites or click on all those flashing links, just because they flash... you're good to go. Can you remember if you ever had a security scare on your system? And was that because you accidentally clicked a wrong link or opened something that looked like a PDF file in your mail?

In all my years on the internet, that's since 1995, I've only had one Trojan with someone cashing in on my Pay Pal account. Since that time I'm using a password manager to store all my passwords, never store them in the browser anymore. I got the Trojan by allowing a script through on a website that had game cracks. The free version of the AV I ran didn't catch it, because free versions don't actively scan - or didn't at the time.
I caught it myself and was already telling Pay Pal when the email came in the guy had sent himself my 30 euros. Got that all back from PP.

My present AV package (I renewed Kaspersky earlier this year, their AV is the most unobtrusive I've found) just told me my Firefox is hopelessly outdated. I'm still at version 58, because I hate the look of the versions thereafter and can't stand the extensions. Guess what? There are still updates for the add-ons (even though they're called extensions, they aren't).

But at least this system is my system. I never install Windows Updates the moment they're shown, always wait a month or more. Have been caught by that in the past, with Windows 2000 and a nice BSOD upon installation of a 'security package'. It meant I had to reinstall everything and start anew. One learns that way. And I still decide which ones are installed, so not the numbers from earlier in this thread (which still surface now and then, last week KB2952664 was back), nor the Malicious Code whatever scan. No driver updates. Only the ones in the important window, not the optional ones.

So yeah, have fun with your Microsoft windmills there, Don Quixote. You can't blame anyone or anything else but yourself though. :)
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Message 1944574 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 22:00:31 UTC

Another thing to consider is target likelihood for virus and malware creators.....wouldn't they be more likely to design the current attacks to target the most used OS i.e. Window$10?

I think a system might be safer running XP or 7 provided sufficient,regularly updated firewalls and antivirus software is used and there are no ID 10 T moments on the Web for the user.

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Message 1944610 - Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 23:23:52 UTC

Just a FYI for those considering a Ryzen system on Windows 7. Someone on the HWBOT forum did a service by creating a Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 .iso installation file that includes the USB 3.0 and USB 3.1 drivers that are missing from the Windows 7 installation files and that normally preclude installing Win7 on Ryzen because there is no keyboard or mouse support for USB 3.0 connected devices.

Windows 7 x64 SP1 with integrated drivers for Zen
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