As the article states, Micro$oft needs to generate trust with users. I saw that someone lost 120GB of personal data after the update install.

This is exactly why I insist on having a separate physical drive for all of my documents. I even have my data directory on the same drive. If for some reason the OS craps out, as in this case, all of my data is protected. I run 2 different daily backups, 1 for the system image and the 2nd for data (except for the BOINC data directory) via Macrium Reflect v7 (Home Edition).

When I saw that Edge was completely screwed, I immediately rolled it back to 1803 and put a hold on any updates.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

the only systems i use Win10 are my personal laptop for web browsing, and my gaming desktop for better compatibility with new games and features. i keep regular backups of these.

and the OS for a few of my mining machines is also on win10 for better multi-gpu support, but those installs are expendable and dont have any real data on them except the mining software.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

As the article states, Micro$oft needs to generate trust with users. I saw that someone lost 120GB of personal data after the update install.

I am assuming that in this day and age when HDD's and even SSD's are fairy cheap that "someone" would have backed up at least the important files.

I mean it is not just a question of trusting Microsoft HDD's don't last forever.

I have all my important personal documents and pictures backed up to my NAS AND backed up to a USB HDD that is kept offline other than when I back up and kept in a different room than the computer.

I do agree that perhaps Microsoft does need a bit more testing :-(

Hi Bernie,

Even IF the "someone" had backups, Micro$oft's deleting "someone's" data from the main location, with their update, is bad form and the trust meter plummets.

It's just like all the settings I have to reset, after an update, because Micro$oft is so untrustworthy they don't even honor their own settings they give us. Just 'cause they own the intellectual rights does not
mean they can change our settings at whim just because they can and want to snoop on us. They need to become MORE trustworthy, in my opinion.

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

This is exactly why I insist on having a separate physical drive for all of my documents. I even have my data directory on the same drive. If for some reason the OS craps out, as in this case, all of my data is protected. I run 2 different daily backups, 1 for the system image and the 2nd for data (except for the BOINC data directory) via Macrium Reflect v7 (Home Edition).

Decided to take a look as used Acronis True image in the past but it messed me up big time. NICE! Downloaded the free version which also does cloning :-). Have been testing on another system. A.O.K. Will end up buying the Home Edition.

Only had one problem - UEFI. Created bootable usb, created rescue media but no boot up - had to change the bios to LEGACY 1st, & even that didn't work. Through trial & error, found that one has to change: Boot Storage Option Control to legacy as well.

Other than that, love it. :-) Thanks Cliff.

Just have to remember to change bios if or when the need arises to restore.

Use Linux and just stick windows 10 on a virtual machine using pci passthough seems you can also crunch wu's on it as well as i managed to do an Asteroids@home wu and now doing a seti one with my 730gt that way you can use Windows without having to let it destroy your pc in the process.

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Use Linux and just stick windows 10 on a virtual machine using pci passthough seems you can also crunch wu's on it as well as i managed to do an Asteroids@home wu and now doing a seti one with my 730gt that way you can use Windows without having to let it destroy your pc in the process.

i've actually been wanting to do the opposite.

A windows hypervisor with multiple linux based VMs and pcie passthrough. You get the windows usability and familiarity and can get the speed boost of the linux applications in the "background".

I'm not sure it's possible though. can any Windows based VM solutions do PCIe passthrough? any of them free?

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

i've actually been wanting to do the opposite.

A windows hypervisor with multiple linux based VMs and pcie passthrough. You get the windows usability and familiarity and can get the speed boost of the linux applications in the "background".

I'm not sure it's possible though. can any Windows based VM solutions do PCIe passthrough? any of them free?

Nope only KVM/XEN or ESXi can neither of which can run from Windows. Also your not going to get a speed boost the 14.25 billion ops/sec vs 121.82 billion ops/sec integer speed is just optimizations.

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Do not spam me with team invites.

The Win10 update will be back on after they finish testing the fix for unexpected file deletions.

Prior to re-releasing the October 2018 Update our engineering investigation determined that a very small number of users lost files during the October 2018 Update. This occurred if Known Folder Redirection (KFR) had been previously enabled, but files remain in the original “old” folder location vs being moved to the new, redirected location.

Circumstances under which files would be deleted when doing the update-

•Using KFR the user redirected a known folder to a different drive.
•The user configured one or more of their Known Folders (Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Screenshots, Videos, Camera Roll, etc.) to be redirected (KFR) to another folder on OneDrive.
•The user used an early version of the OneDrive client and used the OneDrive settings to turn on the Auto save feature.

Basically, they assumed that if someone set up a redirection to a new location that they would have made use of that new location- ie moved their files there.
Now they'll be checking to see if those folders are actually empty or not before they try to delete them..

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Grant
Darwin NT

The Win10 update will be back on after they finish testing the fix for unexpected file deletions.

Prior to re-releasing the October 2018 Update our engineering investigation determined that a very small number of users lost files during the October 2018 Update. This occurred if Known Folder Redirection (KFR) had been previously enabled, but files remain in the original “old” folder location vs being moved to the new, redirected location.

Circumstances under which files would be deleted when doing the update-

•Using KFR the user redirected a known folder to a different drive.
•The user configured one or more of their Known Folders (Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Screenshots, Videos, Camera Roll, etc.) to be redirected (KFR) to another folder on OneDrive.
•The user used an early version of the OneDrive client and used the OneDrive settings to turn on the Auto save feature.

Basically, they assumed that if someone set up a redirection to a new location that they would have made use of that new location- ie moved their files there.
Now they'll be checking to see if those folders are actually empty or not before they try to delete them..

Hi Grant,

I have one question about this:

Who the heck does Micro$oft think they are that they'll delete folders, created for users for the purpose of storing personal files, anyway?

They fraking know that users personal files will be in those folders. They should NOT be deleting those folders in the first place. I believe that they are trying to force users to use their fraking cloud service OneDrive. I will NOT store ANYTHING on a cloud service, especially one owned by Micro$oft. I don't even have an account with them. And I don't use the folders, created during Windows install, for the purpose of storing my personal files. I keep mine on a separate drive and a backup drive.

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

I have one question about this:

Who the heck does Micro$oft think they are that they'll delete folders, created for users for the purpose of storing personal files, anyway?

Did you even read what I posted?
Seriously?

They fraking know that users personal files will be in those folders.

No they don't, because they shouldn't be in those files, because, as I posted, they used a feature to relocate those folders & all their contents to another location. However- for whatever reason the person didn't move the files, even though that was the whole point of the “Known Folder Redirection” feature.
Microsoft's mistake was in not checking to make sure that people had actually used the function as it was meant to be used.

I suggest you take some very deep breaths & actually read what is posted before you get all worked up over something.

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Grant
Darwin NT

i've actually been wanting to do the opposite.

A windows hypervisor with multiple linux based VMs and pcie passthrough. You get the windows usability and familiarity and can get the speed boost of the linux applications in the "background".

I'm not sure it's possible though. can any Windows based VM solutions do PCIe passthrough? any of them free?

Nope only KVM/XEN or ESXi can neither of which can run from Windows. Also your not going to get a speed boost the 14.25 billion ops/sec vs 121.82 billion ops/sec integer speed is just optimizations.

You get the speed boost using Linux in the sense that the optimized applications for SETI can’t run on Windows.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

I have one question about this:

Who the heck does Micro$oft think they are that they'll delete folders, created for users for the purpose of storing personal files, anyway?

Did you even read what I posted?
Seriously?

They fraking know that users personal files will be in those folders.

No they don't, because they shouldn't be in those files, because, as I posted, they used a feature to relocate those folders & all their contents to another location. However- for whatever reason the person didn't move the files, even though that was the whole point of the “Known Folder Redirection” feature.
Microsoft's mistake was in not checking to make sure that people had actually used the function as it was meant to be used.

I suggest you take some very deep breaths & actually read what is posted before you get all worked up over something.

Hi Grant,

No offense intended, but before you bite my head off for posting an opinion about something you post about Micro$oft, perhaps you should re-read what you posted and what I responded to. And by the way, I was not "worked up" about it; just posting an opinion. Check this out:

You quoted from Micro$oft:

•The user configured one or more of their Known Folders (Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Screenshots, Videos, Camera Roll, etc.) to be redirected (KFR) to another folder on OneDrive.

I have those very same "known folders" on my PC. Those folders are created during the Windows install. They are created assuming users will use them. I do not. I keep all my personal files and data on a separate drive from the system drive. As an aside, I have never heard of "KFR" and now that I have, will not use it since I have no need of it to begin with. Ok, got that so far? ;) <-- (notice the winkie? I'm not worked up here.) Let's move one...

You said:

Now they'll be checking to see if those folders are actually empty or not before they try to delete them..

My question was: why would Micro$oft suddenly decide to delete something that has been a part of Windows for as far back as I remember? (Ok, maybe not exactly what I said, but you get the gist, right? ;) <-- (another winkie and still not worked up...) And yes, they would have to assume that users have personal files in those listed folders. Which is why I mentioned that perhaps Micro$oft is trying to force users into using their cloud storage, OneDrive, which was mentioned in the first quote above with the folders. And on second though, perhaps they assume users are ALL using OneDrive...

In my opinion I believe that Micro$oft is using the "KFR" thingy as a coverup to a major blunder on their part. Have you ever heard of "KFR"?

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle! I just did a search for Known Folder Redirection and voila, there it was along with Known Folder Redirection OneDrive. Who'd a thunk it was there all this time? Not me. ;) <--(yet another winkie...) It's like all the begillion shortcut keys in Windows. I don't know them all and learn new ones from time to time. I only use the ones I deem useful like Windows Key - L for locking the PC into a screensaver or whatever. I use that every time I leave the house.

Anyway, Grant, I was not worked up and had read what you posted 2 or 3 times as I was making my post. Just my opinion my friend. :)

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

On the Task Manager first column in Process the figures of the CPU percentage of single processes are not correct and are lower than the real value. Only the total is correct.
Tullio

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Is this a little 'teaser' from Microsoft to fool the users into 'feeling' they have control over what is put onto their machines?...


Microsoft Tests Letting Users Delete More Default Windows 10 Apps

For many, the worst part about setting up Windows 10 is dealing with all the default apps. There are obvious irritants, like Microsoft's insistence on pre-installing...


So... Why now?

IT should be what we want it to be...
Martin

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Is this a little 'teaser' from Microsoft to fool the users into 'feeling' they have control over what is put onto their machines?...


Microsoft Tests Letting Users Delete More Default Windows 10 Apps

For many, the worst part about setting up Windows 10 is dealing with all the default apps. There are obvious irritants, like Microsoft's insistence on pre-installing...


So... Why now?

IT should be what we want it to be...
Martin

Hi Martin,

Yeah, I think you're right in that we'll be 'fooled' into thinking we have more control. That "control" is basically just an irritant. Sure I'd like to get rid of more bloatware, especially because it comes from Micro$oft. The control I want in Windows 10 is in settings and NOT have Micro$oft change them when an update comes around. I want the control we had with Win7 such as what updates to and not to install. And no drivers!!! Micro$oft is so fracking arrogant that they assume they know more about how we want OUR PCs to run.

I gotta replace my AIO cooler. Can Micro$oft do that for me? I don't think so! They don't know what I want my PC to do. I can't run SETI on it yet because of my current AIO. It doesn't seem to do the job that my old one used to do. With the slightest increase in CPU usage, my temps go up and I hear the fans ramp up to compensate. Sounds like a jet ready for takeoff. There's no way to burn a modern CPU; I've seen a torture test done on one. No cooling at all, just the bare CPU running a benchmark program and the temps did not get high enough to hurt the CPU. The excess heat will just shorten the life span of the CPU, not burn it out.

Anyway, I agree, they're trying to fool us. :\

Have a great day, Martin! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

"We have met the enemy, and they is Micro$crew."

"Items in your Control Panel may be more useless than they appear."

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

More fun news: Telemetry data being used to troubleshoot your PC. So first they break the software and then they use the telemetry to fix it, automatically. More reboots in your future.

Don’t feel like troubleshooting? We’ve got you covered. In previous releases, if you noticed your PC was having a problem, you would have to find the right troubleshooter and then manually walk through all the different steps to resolve it. We hear your feedback that the time that takes to do can be frustrating – why not just automatically fix issues that you know how to fix and can detect? We agree! If an issue occurs we want to get you back up and running as quickly as possible, so with Build 18262 you’ll find a new recommended troubleshooting setting under Settings > Update & Security > Troubleshoot in Build 18262. This feature uses diagnostic data you send to deliver a tailored set of fixes matching problems we detect on your device and will automatically apply them to your PC.

We’re still hard at work on this feature so it’s greyed out right now in Settings, but stay tuned for updates in future builds!

I guess it's also a way for them to justify all that telemetry data, and that you who block it all then can't lay blame when your Windows is 'broken'. You should've allowed the data to be sent back, all of it!

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More fun news: Telemetry data being used to troubleshoot your PC. So first they break the software and then they use the telemetry to fix it, automatically. More reboots in your future.

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I guess it's also a way for them to justify all that telemetry data, and that you who block it all then can't lay blame when your Windows is 'broken'. You should've allowed the data to be sent back, all of it!

I turn off telemetry and can diagnose any problem that rears it's ugly head. Micro$oft, keep your GRUBBY little meat hooks out of my PC, thank you very much.

If I have a problem that I just cannot figure out, I head to the Google machine and start searching. :) I have a plethora of different tools for diagnosing PC problems.

If Windows gets broke, no sweat. I blame Micro$oft and then figure it out... :) Who knows what sneaky little things they will do to one's PC with ALL that data going back to them and then they do the work? I'll switch to Linux before I give Micro$oft that much access to my PC.

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

More fun news: Telemetry data being used to troubleshoot your PC. So first they break the software and then they use the telemetry to fix it, automatically. More reboots in your future.

Don’t feel like troubleshooting? We’ve got you covered. In previous releases, if you noticed your PC was having a problem, you would have to find the right troubleshooter and then manually walk through all the different steps to resolve it. We hear your feedback that the time that takes to do can be frustrating – why not just automatically fix issues that you know how to fix and can detect? We agree! If an issue occurs we want to get you back up and running as quickly as possible, so with Build 18262 you’ll find a new recommended troubleshooting setting under Settings > Update & Security > Troubleshoot in Build 18262. This feature uses diagnostic data you send to deliver a tailored set of fixes matching problems we detect on your device and will automatically apply them to your PC.

We’re still hard at work on this feature so it’s greyed out right now in Settings, but stay tuned for updates in future builds!

I guess it's also a way for them to justify all that telemetry data, and that you who block it all then can't lay blame when your Windows is 'broken'. You should've allowed the data to be sent back, all of it!

Sounds eerily like those unsolicited phone calls with an accent telling me "We've noticed your Windows computer has a problem. let us have control of your system and we'll fix it!"...........yeah, right.

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