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Message 1958366 - Posted: 4 Oct 2018, 12:40:59 UTC - in response to Message 1958359.  
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Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

I have Win10- Pro and I am still able to stop drivers from updating using the Group Policy Editor.
Apparently you can do likewise with the Home edition using the Registry Editor.

Hi Grant,

Which version and build do you have? I have Windows 10 Pro v1803 (OS build 17134.285). I went into Local Group Policy Editor and there is no setting for stopping Micro$oft from installing their drivers. I went to the sight you linked and saw the image of LGPE and they show a great deal more settings than I do. They show 29, I have 3. I have 1 setting that will absolutely stop Windows Updates in their tracks: no going to the update website and no automatic updates. The other 2 just deal with the Shut Down Windows dialog box and the 'Install Updates and Shut Down' option. That article image is from a much older version of Windows 10 Pro than what I currently have. So unless I can magically add something that Micro$oft has removed, I cannot stop them from messing with my drivers. :(

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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Actually, I found a way to prevent drivers from being updated. Big catch, you cannot update the drivers either. You can use a different section of gpedit.msc to do this. Thing is, you have to undo what you do to update the device driver yourself and then redo the hack to stop the updates again. It's a long drawn out process to do either. I won't be doing it. It's much easier to just re-install the video device driver after Micro$oft has screwed it up. Or whatever device driver...
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Message 1958388 - Posted: 4 Oct 2018, 17:09:19 UTC

After updating my nVidia driver to 411.70 via Geforce my GTX 1050 Ti completed and validate a GPUGRID task giving me 110400 credits. Temperature was 73 C, fan 57%. It works!
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Message 1958412 - Posted: 4 Oct 2018, 20:40:24 UTC - in response to Message 1958388.  

Some things in group policy and other areas are there but only work in the corporate version.
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Message 1958422 - Posted: 4 Oct 2018, 21:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1958356.  

I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
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Further to Jord's reply ...
Remember that after M$ sends updates, you may need to check that it hasn't replaced your NVidia drivers with the ones that lack OpenCL support.
To be safest, only use drivers you have downloaded direct from the NVidia site, and you may wish to tell Win10 not to let M$ update manufacturer drivers.
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Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

They screwed me with one a few weeks ago and I found out when trying to run World of Warcraft. Had to clean reinstall NVIDIA, less the experience crap software.

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Must depend on version. I'm on 17134 Pro, and just checked and reset it the other day.
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Message 1958425 - Posted: 4 Oct 2018, 22:01:56 UTC - in response to Message 1958422.  

I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
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Further to Jord's reply ...
Remember that after M$ sends updates, you may need to check that it hasn't replaced your NVidia drivers with the ones that lack OpenCL support.
To be safest, only use drivers you have downloaded direct from the NVidia site, and you may wish to tell Win10 not to let M$ update manufacturer drivers.
Regards, Jim

Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

They screwed me with one a few weeks ago and I found out when trying to run World of Warcraft. Had to clean reinstall NVIDIA, less the experience crap software.

Siran

Must depend on version. I'm on 17134 Pro, and just checked and reset it the other day.

Hi Jim,

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. I found the setting in group policy editor. AND!!! Some time ago I enabled it so that it will NOT download and install device drivers. AND!!! Yet I got a crappy POS video driver from Micro$oft a few weeks ago. What they removed was the setting in settings to disable that. So that is why they tell us we cannot do a class action suit against them. They can pull this crap and get away with it. :(

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1958439 - Posted: 4 Oct 2018, 23:52:50 UTC
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I think I might just have a solution, if we can get enough people that actually _want_ to run Windows, and are willing to put a little of their money where their mouth is. I know that there is that special volume license version, which pretty much runs like Windows used to back in the good ol' days, where you had control of pretty much everything, and doesn't have crap like Alexa or whatever, no Candy Crush, NSA tracking, forced 'upgrades' and all the other assorted BS that W10 has introduced to the masses.

So, start some type of nonprofit (might have to be some sort of charity, don't remember exactly the stipulations of the cheapest licenses) corporation (to keep the license costs down to a minimum), and order whatever the minimum number of seats that you can and still be considered that volume license. Then each person could be a remote 'employee', with their own licensed copy. Yes, it completely and absolutely Sucks to have to actually _pay_ for Windows every year, but I've been pretty certain that that is the direction they have been working towards for years now. This way at least it would come in a form that would be tolerable for those of us who care about actually being able to have total control over our software, not the other way around.

Just tossing it out as a pie in the sky idea. And it's actually totally insane that a company would make you go to such extreme measures just to be able to control your own software in a way that works for you. We're living in Crazy Times, that's for sure.

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Message 1958459 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 1:12:44 UTC

All that I can say is that I have no sympathy for those who upgraded to Win10, in fact I've none for any who went past Win7. ;-)

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Message 1958462 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 1:30:15 UTC

Just installed, today, the Gigabyte GA-Z270-HD3 Drivers for Win 7 Pro x64 for the following:

Intel Chipset Driver
3+TB Unlock Driver

Confirmed I had already installed ".NET 4.5".

And last week, installed USB 3.x Driver Support.

New Prometheus is pretty much set for the next few years. ONLY Windows Defender is still getting Updates, Windows Update REFUSES to allow all other Updates anymore due to seeing the i7 7700K in the System. NO Win 10 here for me.

Dad's System, (Farragut), an i7 7700 on a GA-H270-HD3 IS on Win 10 Pro x64. He has to have this due to needing MS Office, Intuit QuickBooks Pro 2016, and some other assorted Software. Farragut crunches on the HD-630 Integrated card. (I think .5 or maybe one Full Thread is feeding the GPU. ALL the other Threads run the System.)

Dad's Laptop also has Win 10 Pro x64, but NO crunching happens on that System.

New Prometheus, (if I have my way), will be my LAST Windows System that crunches. I have my MacPro 5,1 as my Secondary System. (Was Daedalus, now is New Andromeda.) And, I hope to have a restored Hackintosh-Andromeda on a Gigabyte GA-H270-HD3 with i7 7700K and 32GB DDR4 RAM some time next year. When that happens the 5,1 gets renamed back to Daedalus. I'm hoping to go MAC for everything from now on... In fact, there's a good chance of me picking up another Cheese-Grater System in the next couple of months from a friend. He doesn't even know which Model it is... I'm hoping for another 5,1...


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Message 1958465 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 1:50:36 UTC

Just a head's up for those still running Windows10. Be very careful with the impending October 10 system update. It can delete all you Documents and Pictures in your personal User directory and there is no recovery with an unroll of the update. So back up everything to an offsite archive like OneDrive or separate media.

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Message 1958491 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 5:04:06 UTC

I had a problem with Edge on the new build when attempting to redirect a selected item to a new tab or even opening a new tab. Kept getting ' Unable to create process' error code: 0x0802725b. The problem was so severe that I backed out to the 1803 build. I'll hold off for awhile to let things settle down a bit.


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Message 1958492 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 5:08:35 UTC - in response to Message 1958491.  

I'll hold off for awhile to let things settle down a bit.

I'm set for Semi-Annual channel (used to be called Business from memory), and Feature updates are deferred for 130 days. They should have it sorted by then.
Quality updates are deferred for 30 days.
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Message 1958504 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 7:16:33 UTC

I am a Linux user and running SuSE Linux on a desktop and a laptop.Once I agreed to an update from SuSE on the desktop and found myself with a development version, Tumbleweed, which would not run BOINC. I reloaded the standard version from a DVD and found that Tumbleweed had overwritten a USB cartridge which contained photos, texts, movies which I wanted to save in any OS upgrade. So don't blame only Windows.
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Message 1958525 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 10:29:42 UTC - in response to Message 1958459.  

All that I can say is that I have no sympathy for those who upgraded to Win10, in fact I've none for any who went past Win7. ;-)

Cheers.

And when 2020 comes around and you no longer get security updates from Micro$oft... Well, you'll just have to wing it, huh?

Change is inevitable. I went with Windows 10 because I am running 8th generation Intel and I didn't want the fraking hassle trying to get updates for Win 7. I'm running an M.2 SSD as my system drive. There was no such thing when Win 7 came about. Just to mention one hassle I didn't want to deal with.

Keep your negativity to yourself.

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1958577 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 14:25:24 UTC

All that I can say is that I have no sympathy for those who upgraded to Win10, in fact I've none for any who went past Win7. ;-)

Cheers.
What a surprise that you would have no sympathy for anyone but yourself.........cheers....

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Message 1958647 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 21:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 1958525.  

All that I can say is that I have no sympathy for those who upgraded to Win10, in fact I've none for any who went past Win7. ;-)

Cheers.

And when 2020 comes around and you no longer get security updates from Micro$oft... Well, you'll just have to wing it, huh?

Change is inevitable. I went with Windows 10 because I am running 8th generation Intel and I didn't want the fraking hassle trying to get updates for Win 7. I'm running an M.2 SSD as my system drive. There was no such thing when Win 7 came about. Just to mention one hassle I didn't want to deal with.

Keep your negativity to yourself.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


No it isn`t.
I`m running a CPU which win 7 shouldn`t support.
But it does.
I also have a M2 drive and its supported by win7 and works just fine.
Sequential read 3.5 GB/s.
All your comments are just an excuse and 2020 is far away, i can make a decision when its time to.
There is always the option to switch to Linux which i have already installed on another partition.


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Message 1958649 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 21:12:28 UTC

I really don't want to see this thread degenerate into Acrimony.

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Message 1958658 - Posted: 5 Oct 2018, 21:52:50 UTC - in response to Message 1958647.  

All that I can say is that I have no sympathy for those who upgraded to Win10, in fact I've none for any who went past Win7. ;-)

Cheers.

And when 2020 comes around and you no longer get security updates from Micro$oft... Well, you'll just have to wing it, huh?

Change is inevitable. I went with Windows 10 because I am running 8th generation Intel and I didn't want the fraking hassle trying to get updates for Win 7. I'm running an M.2 SSD as my system drive. There was no such thing when Win 7 came about. Just to mention one hassle I didn't want to deal with.

Keep your negativity to yourself.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


No it isn`t.
I`m running a CPU which win 7 shouldn`t support.
But it does.
I also have a M2 drive and its supported by win7 and works just fine.
Sequential read 3.5 GB/s.
All your comments are just an excuse and 2020 is far away, i can make a decision when its time to.
There is always the option to switch to Linux which i have already installed on another partition.

Hi Mike,

No, they are not "excuses", they are my reasons and choices. This is an example of why I went to Windows 10:
7th Generation Kaby Lake support only Windows 10 64-bit on Z270.

If you search for ASUS_EZ_Installer it will allow you to slipstream the support drivers for your motherboard into the Windows 7 ISO so you can get it loaded.

Just a quick google on this topic...

Granted it's from December last year on a Z270 MB and 7th Gen CPU. But, I would have had to deal with that on my Z370 and 8th Gen as well. I did not want to waste time trying to get Win 7 going on a CPU that is not supposed to support it.

Besides all that, regardless of the crap that Micro$oft does to our PCs with Windows 10 updates and such, the OS itself is so much better than Win 7. Here's something Win 7 cannot do: You have a website open in a browser and are researching something to do in Windows with a, say a settings window open on top of the browser. You have to click the browser to scroll and read more and then go back to the window. In Windows 10 you can scroll the webpage while the window is on top of the browser. I use that almost daily.

Anyway, let's just drop this. I'm tired of trying to explain myself to those that do not accept change.

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1959254 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 13:12:48 UTC

The only problem I have is the Task Manager, a total flop.
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Message 1959263 - Posted: 8 Oct 2018, 14:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1959253.  

Oops

I have since set my Windows 10 to not download and install any feature update for 4 months and security updates for 30 days. Hopefully Micro$oft will have the "problem" fixed by then. As the article states, Micro$oft needs to generate trust with users. I saw that someone lost 120GB of personal data after the update install. NOT a good way to generate trust.

This is why I use a separate hard drive for holding my personal data. I do NOT trust Micro$oft.

Have a great day! :)

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