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Message 1930993 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 6:11:07 UTC

Just had my laptop basically bricked by one of this months updates, would boot to bios, but attempting to reboot just left it on the the Acer splash screen forever.

Currently starting the reset of the PC.

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Message 1931033 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 13:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 1930986.  

Greetings Cosmic,

And yeah, I keep seeing 2952664 show up all the time. That was one of the first ones to avoid as it was the first building-block to enabling 7 to be upgraded to 10. I like not having datamining and telemetry, thank you very much.

Well I'll be damned! I got that "update" installed on the 11th this month. WHY?!? Is this another plot by Micro$oft to get Windows 10 on PCs not yet running it?

I'll be re-building this PC with new 8th gen tech sometime next week and granted, I will be installing Windows 10. But yet another nefarious plot to get Windows 10 on PCs? The basic reason I will be installing Windows 10 is because it is a headache to get Win 7 installed on a Coffee Lake based PC, not to mention that Win 7 just was not built for the current generation silicone. And, not to mention that Win 7 support will die out in January 2020. And, Win 7 hasn't a clue what an M.2 NVMe drive is. I'm not sure about regular SSDs and whether Win 7 knows of them or not.

Damn Micro$oft and their damned arrogance! >_<

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Message 1931084 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 20:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1931033.  
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Greetings Cosmic,

And yeah, I keep seeing 2952664 show up all the time. That was one of the first ones to avoid as it was the first building-block to enabling 7 to be upgraded to 10. I like not having datamining and telemetry, thank you very much.

Well I'll be damned! I got that "update" installed on the 11th this month. WHY?!? Is this another plot by Micro$oft to get Windows 10 on PCs not yet running it?

I'll be re-building this PC with new 8th gen tech sometime next week and granted, I will be installing Windows 10. But yet another nefarious plot to get Windows 10 on PCs? The basic reason I will be installing Windows 10 is because it is a headache to get Win 7 installed on a Coffee Lake based PC, not to mention that Win 7 just was not built for the current generation silicone. And, not to mention that Win 7 support will die out in January 2020. And, Win 7 hasn't a clue what an M.2 NVMe drive is. I'm not sure about regular SSDs and whether Win 7 knows of them or not.

Damn Micro$oft and their damned arrogance! >_<

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A regular SSD is just a hard drive to Windows 7, they read them just fine.

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Message 1931099 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 22:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 1931033.  
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I'm not sure about regular SSDs and whether Win 7 knows of them or not.

SSDs existed before Win7.
No problems with my system with some (now) old Vertex2 SSDs when it had Win7 on it.

Personally I don't have any issues with WIn10. It's more responsive & stable than Win7 was (and it is an upgrade over an existing Win7 installation). I run Win10Pro so i'm able to disable the automatic update of video drivers & the like. And I just set the privacy settings to ones that i'm happy with.
Anyone who has an account with Facebook (or similar) is giving away far more information than M$ gets with their most aggressive telemetry settings.
I don't have a smart phone because I don't like the way that you have no privacy at all when you use them (Android & Apple are no different). With Win10 I can reduce the amount of data M$ get, without the need of 3rd party tools.
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Message 1931124 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 0:34:54 UTC

The problem with 7 and SSDs are the NVMe ones. 7 does not have the capability by default/natively to use those.

I've read there is a later update (some KB number in the 290xxxx range) that gives 7 the ability to do NVMe drives, but even then, it's not guaranteed.

I've done a lot of research on NVMe + 7 and it seems that Samsung is the only M.2 SSD that will work with 7 period. Samsung has NVMe drivers for 7, none of the other brands do. It is possible the generic MS one from that KB number may work, but they sure aren't making it easy to stick with 7.



And I'm waiting for guinea pigs to confirm if the 2700X + Gigabyte x470 board will in fact work with 7. Gigabyte has drivers for 7 (and they are the only mfr with a x470 board that has 7 drivers), but they say that only 1000-series works. But I'm pretty sure that's only for the APUs. I found this unofficial answer earlier today regarding 2000-series CPU + x470 + win7, and it *should* work....but again, I'm waiting for guinea pigs with money they're willing to spend to try it and find out if it really does work.

I'd really like to stay on 7... but MS+mfrs sure aren't making it easy.
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Message 1931244 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 14:38:31 UTC

Running Spybot Antibeacon seems to have prevented those verbotten updates on my Win8.1 systems. I need to check the Win7 builds I did for friends to see if they are protected as well.

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Message 1932209 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 1:57:56 UTC

Windows 10 illegally collects data at install, says Brazil prosecutor
* Federal prosecutors in Brazil claim that the standard installation process for Windows 10 violates local laws by collecting user data without "express consent."
* Brazilian prosecutors are asking Microsoft to end its automatic data collection within 15 days and add new notifications on data collection.

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Message 1932232 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 5:04:04 UTC

Well when my Win7 licenses run out and I eventually find some video editing apps that will do what I get now then Linux Mint is the way I'll be going.

BTW, I've been building a nice little Linux Mint community (of all ages) around this little country village, here in the highlands down under, starting with old XP/Vista PC's that I've been converting over and after people with Win8 (and later versions) have seen and used these conversions of their friends they also want to join the club (in fact, between them and surveillance cameras installations, I'm being run ragged trying to keep up with my own stuff).

Sorry, but I can't report any Win7 converters as yet and I can't blame them for that (for now).

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Message 1932237 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 5:13:30 UTC - in response to Message 1932232.  

Wiggo, did you catch the news today that Mint is abandoning Ubuntu and moving to Arch Linux?
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Message 1932251 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 6:12:27 UTC - in response to Message 1932237.  

Wiggo, did you catch the news today that Mint is abandoning Ubuntu and moving to Arch Linux?
No I havn't, but I'm sure that I can tackle that hurdle when it comes (that's if it causes any problems at all). Time will tell. ;-)

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Message 1932335 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 15:29:02 UTC

It looks like the failed Spring Creators update (commonly known as Redstone 4) that was supposed to happen on 10 April, will be available for d/l on 30 April and via Windows update on 8 May (update Tuesday) -- More bloatware.
https://liliputing.com/2018/04/the-next-major-windows-10-update-rolls-out-april-30th.html
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/windows-10-april-update-release-date


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Message 1932420 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 1:03:47 UTC - in response to Message 1932251.  

Wiggo, did you catch the news today that Mint is abandoning Ubuntu and moving to Arch Linux?
No I havn't, but I'm sure that I can tackle that hurdle when it comes (that's if it causes any problems at all). Time will tell. ;-)

Cheers.


Hahaha, funny one, its a bit old to be reporting on April Fools Jokes lol.

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Message 1932427 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 1:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 1932420.  

Actually, didn't catch that one. Just saw the notice on a news feed. Sorry to have posted. I just had a bad experience with Mint and thought the move might improve things since Arch is well regarded as the "expert" Linux. Now that I followed up the post see the reference to April Fools Day.
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Message 1932446 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 4:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 1932335.  
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It looks like the failed Spring Creators update (commonly known as Redstone 4) that was supposed to happen on 10 April, will be available for d/l on 30 April and via Windows update on 8 May (update Tuesday) -- More bloatware. ...


I just had 100 GPU tasks (on my Nvidia GTX 1060) fail instantly and found out that my computer was apparently in the middle of installing this update. Might be a coincidence, but pretty odd I've done thousands of work units per week for ages and only had one failed one until this update was installing. Grrrr....

99 MB tasks, 1 AP task -- all I've checked had the same "too many exits" errors.
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Message 1932455 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 6:23:33 UTC - in response to Message 1932446.  

It looks like the failed Spring Creators update (commonly known as Redstone 4) that was supposed to happen on 10 April, will be available for d/l on 30 April and via Windows update on 8 May (update Tuesday) -- More bloatware. ...


I just had 100 GPU tasks (on my Nvidia GTX 1060) fail instantly and found out that my computer was apparently in the middle of installing this update.

The update mentioned has yet to be released.
Your system was most likely downloading some other update, and probably included a video driver in that update.

Suspend all processing in the BOINC Manager.
Download the current video driver from NVidia and install it. Once it's installed, re-enable processing in the BOJNC Manager & see if that sorts things out.
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Message 1932460 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 7:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 1932455.  
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The update mentioned has yet to be released.
Your system was most likely downloading some other update, and probably included a video driver in that update.

Suspend all processing in the BOINC Manager.
Download the current video driver from NVidia and install it. Once it's installed, re-enable processing in the BOJNC Manager & see if that sorts things out.

Oops - sorry didn't catch that. The update that clobbered everything was "2018-04 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64 based Systems (KB4093105)"

In any case, after the forced reboot of my system the GPU again resumed processing tasks. Before the reboot a check of GPU-Z showed the card was only idling at 139 MHz, whereas it normally is running between 1847-1860 MHz. None of the tasks that have processed since the reboot have errored out, so in any case things seem to be working fine since.

I've been running the most recent video driver for a couple of days, ver: 397.31.
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Message 1932469 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 8:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1932460.  

Again, another reason to stop Windows 10 from updating your video drivers with a simple configuration change in the Control Panel. You should only update the video driver with a driver directly downloaded from Nvidia or AMD.
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Message 1932929 - Posted: 30 Apr 2018, 20:32:28 UTC
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Just got v1803 from windows update. Installed with no problems and all seems OK.

btw it was on a newly installed windows 1709, and 1709 did install opencl which works OK.
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Message 1932966 - Posted: 1 May 2018, 8:32:19 UTC

I just got 1803. I said "no" to all Microsoft proposals. BOINC seems OK.
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Message 1933009 - Posted: 1 May 2018, 13:54:38 UTC

It would appear the correct response when dealing with M$ is "Just Say No"......

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