I had no problems installing windows 7 on my M2 drive at all.
Took me about 10 minutes.
The only issue is lack of USB3 drivers that`s all.
So i created an USB drive with win 7 and USB3 drivers included.
Of course not all motherboards have them included like Asus for the C6H.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

Believe it or not Windows 10, despite the spying and data mining and the antics Micro$oft pulls to get it on every device in the universe, is the best OS to date from Redmond. It has a new kernel and is not a resource hog like the Windows before 7.

Wonder what changed since December 17 (and January 7th), when you said:

I have divorced myself from as many M$ apps as possible. I prefer Open Office, Firefox and other software over anything the girls and boys in Redmond offer.

Yep!

My only M$ software is the OS: Win7 Pro 64bit. That's only because it's a pain in the you-know-what to try to get Windoze programs to run in Wine on Linux.

I swear by Firefox. Started using it when it first came out and haven't looked back. Oh, I have tried others: Opera, Chrome (hate it with a passion), that browser put out by Apple (cannot remember it's name), and when I tried Win10 I tried Edge. Back to Win7 and Firefox I went.

Siran

Also,

I have found out that you cannot uninstall things like Cortana, Edge, etc. this will break Windows 10. They can only be disabled. I have also found out that most, if not all, of the spying can be stopped. SpyBot has a program called Anti-Beacon that will disable all of the telemetry and stop Windows 10 in its tracks. stop with the extra apostrophe, there's none in its when you point at the possessive form of this pronoun.

Best watch out with disabling the telemetry, because when you do, it could easily be that in a near future Microsoft decides that your system needs an update, even if you do not want it, even if you have Windows Update disabled: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3261570/microsoft-windows/microsoft-forces-win10-1709-upgrades-on-pcs-set-to-restrict-telemetry.html

That's Win10 1607 and 1703 users who were forced to upgrade to Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, even on hardware that doesn't support 1709. When you try to revert back to the previous version, once that's done, it'll start the update again, and again, and again. The update will also start without warning, like in the first days of Windows 10 updates. Have a fun couple of days in which you cannot use your computer at all, because --what did you call it?-- the best OS to date from Redmond has to be forced upon your computer, because they say so.

Until they stop with these aggressive tactics, it's not coming on any of my systems.
And up till January 7th you said it wouldn't on yours either, so I really wonder what happened in these 3 months in between, that you went from adamant against to fanboi for. Did they pay you?

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Until they stop with these aggressive tactics, it's not coming on any of my systems.
And up till January 7th you said it wouldn't on yours either, so I really wonder what happened in these 3 months in between, that you went from adamant against to fanboi for. Did they pay you?

I am no fanboy of Micro$oft. >_<

Over the past 3 to 5 weeks I have been watching tech videos on YouTube from 2 guys: one has a 25 year business building and maintaining PCs for companies, the other a 15 year former Micro$oft software developer. They have convinced me that Windows 10 IS the best OS from Micro$oft despite the spying, telemetry and bloatware and Micro$oft's aggressive moves to get Win 10 on every device on the planet.

"Windows 10" is the name of the OS, not the version. The latest version of Windows 10 is 1709. Micro$oft will push out a new version of Windows 10 in the Spring and the Fall. 1709 is the Fall version: September 2017, hence 1709. I believe the Spring version will come out in April which will make the new version 1804.

I am no fanboy, I have just been convinced that the OS, Windows 10, is better, more stable, less of a resource hog, etc. than previous Windows. It is Micro$oft's brute force tactics to get everyone on Windows 10, all the data mining and sharing of that data that I am totally against. I have also found that Micro$oft is putting PUPS (potentially unwanted programs) on users PCs. Candy Crush is one that I can think of off hand. Talk about bloatware! Microsoft, just give us the OS and not the other garbage!

I burned Windows 10 1709 to a flash drive with a utility called Rufus. Windows 10 is installed of an 8th gen Z370 PC and there are no problems. The OS has even been activated through no input from us. We tried a couple methods, but they didn't work. Somehow it came as a surprise that the OS is activated. Woohoo!

So, please, don't call me a fanboy just because I have changed my mind about the actual OS that Windows 10 is supposed to be. Windows 10 has the potential to be even better than Win 7 if micro$oft would just cut the crap. And NO, they haven't paid me ( although a paycheck from them would come in handy. ;) )

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Well, if it came 'out of the gate' ready to rock and not needing extensive castration to make it the OS you say it can be, I might consider trying it.
But as it stands now, I am not about to try an OS that needs that much work to function the way that it should in the first place.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

The two main things I object with Win 10 is the spying/telemetry gathering and the forced updates on M$ schedule and not your own. That is with the Home Premium version which doesn't have the Group Policy Editor that the Professional and Business versions have.

Nothing can be done about the forced updates with Home. But the telemetry/spying can easily be taken care of with a couple of clicks of the mouse with either the Spybot Anti-Beacon app mentioned or the one I use O&O Shut Up.

So I didn't have to mess with the installation of Win10 all that much after all. The only thing you have to do is run the anti-spy apps after each major update since M$ has a tendency to turn things back on that you have turned off previously. Again, a couple of clicks takes care of the issue and I don't think about again until the next update.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

So, please, don't call me a fanboy

I didn't. I called you a fanboi, with a link to the site explaining what that was, just in case you mistakenly thought I couldn't spell fanboy.
A fanboi is someone who is unusually attracted or devoted to a particular technology or tech company.

You went from flat out against to this is better than sex in back to back posts in this thread. No warning in between that you were neighing in the other direction, no blog that you were going to go for it. I can't wait for you to find a Linux distribution that does what you want from it, as that'll make interesting reading.

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I've run Windows 10 Home Edition since it came out and yet to have any issues regarding having to reinstall drivers..
My opinion is that it runs fast and smooth, I had many issues with other OS but I did like Windows 7 tho it had 5x more updates required..

And sometimes meaningful reading as well.

I know that, just as what happened with XP, the last (nearly) universally loved Microsoft OS (Vista? Oh well lol), the ax is going to fall on Win 7 as well, and I (like many, many others) am not looking forward to this event. I remember reading about a version that really piqued my interest a year or so ago, it was called Windows 10 LTSB, and I am starting to look into finding a way to acquire it. I believe that to do it you need to go on an annual (volume?) licen$e agreement thing, which I despise, and was the reason I went with Solidworks instead of AutoCAD products for my shop. I'll probably wait a year or so till D-Day for 7 is much closer though, and let them keep ironing out the bugs in it more, but I figure it's never too early to start understanding the finer details of it, so I will be ready to go when the time comes.

It really sucks to have to pay an annual fee for the privilege of keeping my privacy, as well as avoiding having random updates rammed up down my systems.... throat at Microsofts pleasure, but they have pretty much sewn up the market for the OS required of the software that I am using now in my business, so I'm going to be forced to roll over one way or another. I guess it'll just have to be another cost of doing business, but at least I wont be in group of those whose howls I hear when MS forces out another 'update' that breaks a bunch of stuff again...

But that new interface... Ugh.

A little info I came across, if anyone is interested:

Windows 10 Without the Cruft: Windows 10 LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch), Explained

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Well for $84 a year for the LTSB license, it would be worth it. Of course the tollbridge is you have to be a Enterprise customer in a organization to get it in the first place. I don't think that a single user of a sole proprietor business qualifies as a "organization" according to M$' definition.

Al, have you asked M$ whether you qualify for Enterprise classification?

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association)

Keith, nope, just started thinking about this a bit more seriously late last week with my RAID issues, knowing that things like that will be raising their heads more frequently as time goes on. I'll have to do a little more research, and probably contact a platinum MS reseller in my area, in another life I used to be on the periphery of those interactions, but now as it's all me, I'll have to deal with it directly. I didn't realize that they had limitations on it, I thought you basically signed the contract, paid your $'s, and you got your licenses? Or is it much more complicated than that?

*edit* found a fairly recent -early 2018- article explaining some of the in's and outs of LTSB currently:

FAQ: Windows 10 LTSB explained

Didn't see anything specific in it about who/what qualifies in MS's eyes to be afforded the ability to get this version unfortunately...

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Well for $84 a year for the LTSB license, it would be worth it. Of course the tollbridge is you have to be a Enterprise customer in a organization to get it in the first place. I don't think that a single user of a sole proprietor business qualifies as a "organization" according to M$' definition.

Al, have you asked M$ whether you qualify for Enterprise classification?

Enterprise = 250+ licenses

Well for $84 a year for the LTSB license, it would be worth it. Of course the tollbridge is you have to be a Enterprise customer in a organization to get it in the first place. I don't think that a single user of a sole proprietor business qualifies as a "organization" according to M$' definition.

Al, have you asked M$ whether you qualify for Enterprise classification?

Enterprise = 250+ licenses

Sell onto close friends to make up the numbers. ;-)

Cheers.

So, please, don't call me a fanboy

I didn't. I called you a fanboi, with a link to the site explaining what that was, just in case you mistakenly thought I couldn't spell fanboy.
A fanboi is someone who is unusually attracted or devoted to a particular technology or tech company.

You went from flat out against to this is better than sex in back to back posts in this thread. No warning in between that you were neighing in the other direction, no blog that you were going to go for it. I can't wait for you to find a Linux distribution that does what you want from it, as that'll make interesting reading.

Fanboy|fanboi, potato|potahto, tomato|tomahto... It's all the same to me. I did read the definition of fanboi. I don't care what it says, it's all fanboy to me.

These are just a few of Jerry's videos I watched. He worked for Microsoft for 15 years. Jerry can be a little out there sometimes, but believe me the guy knows. He just does things for his audience.:
1st video Pay close attention to what he says about 8:56 into the video.
2nd video Pay attention to what he talks about starting about 5:38 into the video.
3rd video Just another of Jerry's videos I watched.

This is Carey Holzman. He does live YouTube builds of PCs for his customers. He's had his business for over 25 years. Carey has many, many more videos and it would take way too long for me to find exact videos. These are just about Windows 10.:
1st video Unless a customer explicitly asks for Windows 7, Carey installs Windows 10 on all current computers.
2nd video Windows 10 Creators Update.

This in no way makes me a Microsoft fanboy or fanboi. Watching these 2 YouTuber's video have change my attitude about the OPERATING SYSTEM Windows 10. I still do not like Micro$oft's tactics or what they do WITH the OS by adding the junk files ( PUPs ) and all the spying.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

I had a total meltdown on my 7700K on Monday morning and the Win10 Pro install stick would not work, it kept aborting with a missing or corrupted file msg. I have an old Win 10 Pro system builder disk that was never used and even it didn't work. After several frustrating hours I was able to get an old Win 7 to install by disconnecting all drives SSD (2) and the HDD, leaving just the system drive and the Blu-ray drive connected. Everything went well until I after the SP 1 update. I kept getting this popup stating that the OS was outdated and would not work on your machine. After I reconnected the drives, and had a more or less stable system and activating Win 7, the Win 10 install stick still aborted. I eventually got the system builder Win 10 disk to work without supplying a key, late Monday night. I finally got the system back up to a more or less stable yesterday morning, with the event viewer is showing a lot of major errors that I don't understand and don't know how to fix. But right now I'm standing on this side of the grass, vertical, and sucking air; and the machine is up and running and crunching. God, or whoever it is who is the main spokesperson up there, I would give my left one to have Win 7 back.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

Hi Cliff,

I watched a couple YouTube videos about installing Win7 on 6th, 7th and 8th generation Intel powered PCs. I have linked them below.

Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VTC4k6SLWY

Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvNUXnN9hY

Cary Holzman has had a business building and maintaining computers for 27 years. I mentioned earlier in this thread 25 years, but I have watched recent videos where he states 27 years. This guy knows his stuff. I built a Z370 8th gen PC and did a BIOS update for the first time since I started building computers. I followed what Carey does and it was no sweat.

I'm sure that the above videos will help you get Win7 installed and stable on the current generation you have.

Good luck with this. :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Isn't it wonderful we don't have to spend all our time fixing and maintaining our systems now that Win10 has saved us?

As the old Greyhound commercial used to say, "Leave the driving to us"..............

Thanks for the links Siran, I'm sure they will be very helpful to those among us unwilling to take on the 'Mark of the Beast'.

All hail Redmond.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Well, it's finally happened. I actually own a computer that is running Win 10 Pro. It came on a refurbed WS that I bought from Dell, that I was going to pull the CPU out of to use in the build for my RAID system, and sell the rest of the bits to make back my money and break even (other than the cost of the CPU), because that specific CPU pretty much can't be found right now, and is 3-5 weeks out if ordering it and I needed it right now.

Anyways, for giggles, I booted it up to see what the deal was, because honestly my only true experience with 10 was very close to the initial release date, and it didn't take me long to realize what a POS it was, and nuke the drive to start over with 7 (of course). Now that its been out in the real world for while and had a chance to bake a bit, I thought I would see what it looked like today. Pretty much my opinion is the same, there is so much sh*t on it, it's truly amazing. Especially in a business environment.

When I did the initial setup, I turned off/disabled anything and everything I could that had anything to do with this Cortina thing, and made sure I set it to be at a business, which I think disabled the store crap and having to have a ridiculous MS account on your computer. I found the program, which I learned is no longer being supported by the orig author, but has been tossed out to the community for any future improvements/incompatibilities, that makes it look like a reasonable semblance of the Win 7 desktop. I know that most of the junk is still in there, lurking below the surface, but at least it isn't shoved in my face.

With that installed, it didn't seem to be _tooo_ bad of an OS, but I do believe that there are a couple more things that I need to install on it to remove/disable much of the telemetry garbage and privacy violations that Win 10 is inherently built on. Have to google it, I know they're out there.

I do have a question though, it came with a Quadro P4000 video card installed, and of course I am thinking of installing BOINC on it, but I haven't researched if this card is supported for crunching, and if it is even a good idea to use it. The card is about 3/4" thick, and I don't recall seeing a cooling fan on it, but as the case it's in isn't all that big, I couldn't get a complete look at it. If not, it doesn't seem like a good idea to run such a taxing program on it, with what appears to be inadequate cooling. Anyone have any positive results using one of these cards without damaging it longer term?

Last comment on Win 10, I can't believe that businesses, especially those with more than say 10 or so systems, haven't been Screaming at MS to release that LTSB version for general business use, because there is so much #(*$* in that new OS that has NOTHING to do with actually running a computer in a business setting, it's actually mind blowing. If only Linux could get their poop in a group so to speak, and give MS a real run for their money.. Chicken and egg thing though, unfortunately.

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The Quadro P4000 is a Pascal card and probably performs about the same as a 1060, but a bit slower than a 1070.

Cheers.

Greetings,

From the information I just got, the new version of Windows 10 will be released on Tuesday, April 10, 2018. This new version will have a build number of 1804, presumable. The current version is 1709 which came on in September (09) 2017 (17), hence 1709.

This version will be a complete replacement of 1709.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath