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Message 1852536 - Posted: 3 Mar 2017, 12:55:07 UTC
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One small "sop" to the very disruptive problem of having the Windows 10 unexpectedly randomly slam the window closed on you:

Windows 10 to offer update 'snoozes'

Microsoft will enable Windows 10 users to choose when security updates are installed once they arrive rather than enforcing them straightaway.

Users have complained that the reboots required for some updates, which cannot currently be deferred, are disruptive. ...

... said John Cable, a director of program management at Microsoft.

"What we heard back most explicitly was that you want more control over when Windows 10 installs updates," he wrote. "We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time."...




Don't you just love the positive spin on that?!

Try explaining that to a presenter when the Windows 10 laptop goes into sulk mode right in the middle of a presentation in front of a theatre of a 100 or so people... Add a mad scramble for a second laptop and to reload the presentation and get back to the right slide and so on... Whilst the first laptop is waiting for a WiFi connection with the happy message about "update in progress, do not switch off"... Quite a fantastic advertisement!


How do people put up with such silliness?...

Rule one should always be: NEVER blindly terminate a live user session...


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Message 1852570 - Posted: 3 Mar 2017, 15:28:37 UTC

After a record 16 days without a reboot on my Windows 10 PC, after an unwanted reboot I found I have an Amazon assistant on my desktop to assist me in buying items. It is true that I get Amazon ads in the mail on my Linux box but I simply cancel them.
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Message 1855258 - Posted: 13 Mar 2017, 11:00:14 UTC

https://betanews.com/2017/03/12/disgustingly-sneaky-windows-10-ads/
Don't believe what Microsoft tells you -- Windows 10 is not an operating system. Oh, sure, it has many features that make it look like an operating system, but in reality it is nothing more than a vehicle for advertisements. Since the launch of Windows 10, there have been numerous complaints about ads in various forms. They appear in the Start menu, in the taskbar, in the Action Center, in Explorer, in the Ink Workspace, on the Lock Screen, in the Share tool, in the Windows Store and even in File Explorer.

Microsoft has lost its grip on what is acceptable, and even goes as far as pretending that these ads serve users more than the company -- "these are suggestions", "this is a promoted app", "we thought you'd like to know that Edge uses less battery than Chrome", "playable ads let you try out apps without installing". But if we're honest, the company is doing nothing more than abusing its position, using Windows 10 to promote its own tools and services, or those with which it has marketing arrangements. Does Microsoft think we're stupid?

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Message 1855265 - Posted: 13 Mar 2017, 11:52:47 UTC - in response to Message 1855258.  

Maybe after a year or two being frustrated with the ads, they do this:



Sign up for an Ad Free Win 10, only £50 a year :-)
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Message 1855416 - Posted: 14 Mar 2017, 1:04:01 UTC

Anyone already running 15055 Windows 10 pre-release from the Insider Edition? I was wondering what to expect when it drops later this month. Any unexploded bombshells in there for the general PC user?
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Message 1855458 - Posted: 14 Mar 2017, 3:02:49 UTC - in response to Message 1855416.  

Anyone already running 15055 Windows 10 pre-release from the Insider Edition? I was wondering what to expect when it drops later this month. Any unexploded bombshells in there for the general PC user?

I am running it on a desktop (AMD) and a laptop(Intel). I am finding it much better that some of the earlier releases.

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Message 1855478 - Posted: 14 Mar 2017, 4:27:21 UTC - in response to Message 1855458.  

Thanks for the reply, Bill. I was reading up on it a bit as one of my developer friends was talking about it regarding Ryzen support.
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Message 1855851 - Posted: 16 Mar 2017, 23:55:02 UTC

Microsoft blocks updates for new cpus on Windows 7 and 8.1

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Message 1855878 - Posted: 17 Mar 2017, 3:08:02 UTC

No more updates if you build a Win 7 or 8.1 System?

Sounds like a win/win to me................. " : >

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Message 1856048 - Posted: 17 Mar 2017, 18:24:19 UTC

What I haven't been able to find though, is if that will affect WSUS, or only if you go directly through MS's servers. I'm thinking it won't affect WSUS.
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Message 1858423 - Posted: 30 Mar 2017, 12:14:57 UTC

On a hacker contest in canada group Qhoo360 escaped from sandbox and virtual machine using different exploits.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/03/hack-that-escapes-vm-by-exploiting-edge-browser-fetches-105000-at-pwn2own/
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Message 1858590 - Posted: 31 Mar 2017, 13:31:13 UTC

Creators update is scheduled for 11 April - http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-officially-announces-windows-10-creators-update.html


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Message 1859713 - Posted: 6 Apr 2017, 0:16:44 UTC

Microsoft Technet shows in a long long long long long long list what Windows 10 all collects on the basic level...

The Basic level gathers a limited set of information that is critical for understanding the device and its configuration including: basic device information, quality-related information, app compatibility, and Windows Store. When the level is set to Basic, it also includes the Security level information.
I doubt you would want to know what they gather then on the Full Diagnostics level, but you can check into the highlights of that over here. .
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Message 1861004 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 9:49:20 UTC
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I got a Windows 10 update at 11 CEST in the middle of forbidden period (8-17) without any warning. It was not the Creators Update.
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Message 1861022 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 12:39:21 UTC - in response to Message 1861004.  

I got a Windows 10 update at 11 CEST in the middle of forbidden period (8-17) without any warning. It was not the Creators Update.
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Updates will happen at any time, it's the recycle that throws everyone off and could cause problems, so as long as it does not recycle during the active period you should be okay. I got mine @ approx. 11:00 yesterday morning with a notice that it had updated, but needed to recycle to take effect. Since I was doing nothing at the moment I went ahead and did the update, forcing the recycle and the machine did updates for build 1607. Rechecked for further updates and recycled again. Since I knew that the Creators Update (15063.138) could come down the pike later then sooner, I went ahead and forced its update, took about 45 minutes total with a couple of smaller updates after it.

BTW, the active period for update recycling has been extended to 18 hours, so I now have mine set 06:00 -> 24:00.


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Message 1861041 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 14:51:02 UTC - in response to Message 1861022.  

I got a Windows 10 update at 11 CEST in the middle of forbidden period (8-17) without any warning. It was not the Creators Update.
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Updates will happen at any time, it's the recycle that throws everyone off and could cause problems, so as long as it does not recycle during the active period you should be okay. I got mine @ approx. 11:00 yesterday morning with a notice that it had updated, but needed to recycle to take effect. Since I was doing nothing at the moment I went ahead and did the update, forcing the recycle and the machine did updates for build 1607. Rechecked for further updates and recycled again. Since I knew that the Creators Update (15063.138) could come down the pike later then sooner, I went ahead and forced its update, took about 45 minutes total with a couple of smaller updates after it.

BTW, the active period for update recycling has been extended to 18 hours, so I now have mine set 06:00 -> 24:00.

That change will be welcomed. 12 hours is too limited.
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Message 1861055 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 15:48:51 UTC - in response to Message 1861041.  

I have been updated on the 7th to Version 1703 and build 16170.1000. I believe that that might be closer to the Creator's Update.

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Message 1861067 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 16:36:18 UTC

I just had a financial download interrupted and ruined by the 'restart now' message..........grrrrrrrrrr.

There are not words strong enough to express how much Window$ 10 sucks!

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Message 1861069 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 16:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 1861067.  

I just had a financial download interrupted and ruined by the 'restart now' message..........grrrrrrrrrr.

There are not words strong enough to express how much Window$ 10 sucks!


DANGER, DANGER Will Roberson - Don't click the message - leave it alone!! Ignore it and it will eventually disappear from view.


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Message 1861184 - Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 10:19:55 UTC

Yesterday I bit the bullet and clean installed Windows 10 on the ailing Lenovo G50-30 that was laying forlorn next to the TV for slightly over a year. It's always on the loader, we hardly ever use it, because of all the Lenovo crud on it and the fact that Windows 10 had made it slower than a snail swimming in cold molasses.

So I put Windows 10 Home x64 on a USB stick, started the laptop with the stick in it up, and started the install. First I threw the 8 (!!) partitions away that Lenovo apparently finds necessary to put on the drive. It's only a 500GB drive, so having 8 (!!) partitions on it doesn't make it very useful. Of course that means the original Windows 8 .1 repair partition is gone now as well, but I don't care. An hour later, the installation was done, all 12.6GB of Windows 10 was installed and running.

First I installed Bitdefender AVP 2017, then went and deleted a lot of the extras from the start menu. I like having Minecraft on it though, although I can't for the life of me let it install the full version, only the 90 minute test version. Maybe I have to play the 90 minutes first. We'll see. Also strange you can't log in with your Mojang account, but now need to enter with the Microsoft account. Oh well.

So then I went to the Lenovo site to look around where/what... and found that this laptop wasn't even certified to run the Anniversary Edition, let alone this Creators Update. It's just not in the list, I shouldn't have done it... well, I didn't do it the first time, at that time it appeared overnight, so don't blame me. But if you do have Lenovo G50-30 lying around as a book-stand, do know you can install Win10 CU clean on it and that it'll work, and pretty fast as well. I'll go use it as a test bed for BOINC now. :)
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