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Message 1838226 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 9:50:21 UTC - in response to Message 1838219.  

I'm running 7 on my cruncher. And I have zero problems with 10 trying to update. I have something giving 10 a problem when trying to update and it fails. I have no problems with my cruncher giving M$ the finger for the time being.

The free and forced upgrades to Win10 finished back on the 29th July this year (yes almost 5 months ago now) and those with older windows OS's who went to Windows Update after that date would've received KB3184143 that removed all the "Get Windows 10" garbage from their systems if they had been infected with it.

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Message 1838247 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 14:00:32 UTC

I have a HP PC which started in Windows 8, then 8.1, then 10. I am getting Windows 10 updates every month, which happen by night, so I cannot suspend my BOINC projects before a reboot. This disturbs CERN projects using VirtualBox.
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Message 1838285 - Posted: 28 Dec 2016, 16:28:55 UTC - in response to Message 1838247.  

I have a HP PC which started in Windows 8, then 8.1, then 10. I am getting Windows 10 updates every month, which happen by night, so I cannot suspend my BOINC projects before a reboot. This disturbs CERN projects using VirtualBox.
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You can use task scheduler and schedule BOINC to stop before the update starts.
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Message 1838767 - Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 9:07:52 UTC

Microsoft is testing a Green Screen of Death for Windows 10, with even less information about the problem, just that they are collecting information and that you can reboot.

Gotta wonder what information is being collected, how and where that's sent to and for how long it's being kept there. Does that include personal information as who was on the computer, what site(s) were they on, screenshots of the site(s), login information, etc. etc.?

And the other question is when a malware developer will use the new screen to make it their own restart message so the nasty (ransom-)malware can do their job?
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Message 1839085 - Posted: 31 Dec 2016, 9:25:17 UTC - in response to Message 1838247.  

I have a HP PC which started in Windows 8, then 8.1, then 10. I am getting Windows 10 updates every month, which happen by night, so I cannot suspend my BOINC projects before a reboot. This disturbs CERN projects using VirtualBox.
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Microsoft finally lets users pause updates in Windows 10

Pro users can defer updates, but Home users don’t have this luxury. There are numerous third-party tools available that give users greater control, but the forthcoming Creators Update will allow users to easily pause updates as and when required.

If you don’t want automatic updates for some reason, you’ll be able to pause them for up to 35 days.

Of course the Pause Updates functionality might change between now and when the full version of the Creators Update is released next spring, but it's great to see Microsoft restoring some control back to users.

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Message 1839514 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 0:44:34 UTC

What a mess!

I really do not understand why people pay money to suffer this!....

Really folks: Find freedom from such silliness and check out a Linux distro. The Big Boys make Billions running Linux. You can run Linux for yourself for just the cost of your time to install. Or you can pay a company for Linux.

Easiest is to look up Ubuntu (Mac-like), Kubuntu (Windows desktop similar), or Zorin (for Windows users). Sorry no links, on an Android Linux mobile!


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Message 1839521 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 1:20:56 UTC - in response to Message 1839514.  

I really do not understand why people pay money to suffer this!....

You install the OS, and drivers. You update the OS and drivers. You install your software, update it, configure it the way you want, and off you go.

Many of us have seen what is required to get Seti working under Linux just from looking at the threads here. If it were as straight forward as Windows then people would use it. It's not, so they don't.
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Message 1839574 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 9:57:39 UTC

Time for "cold box of bits" to working Windows 10 machine - over four hours, and still it is looking for updates so the user can start typing or browsing.
Time for "cold box of bits" to working Linux Mint machine - inside an hour, user is merrily typing away and browsing.
The same very basic "box of bits", an i3, 4GB RAM, Asrock mother board, GTX1050 GPU, 500GB hard disk, so I discounted the build time as that was done over long period of time due to going shopping etc.
As this couple don't want to run any distributed computing work I can't comment on the length of time to install or get that running in a comparative manner, but from my own experience that can be very straightforward under both Windows and Linux, or it can be a grade one P.I.A. and it all depends on the first couple of minutes of the install....
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Message 1839611 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 13:47:37 UTC
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Unfortunately so many 'productive' programs are not issued and will not run on Linux.

Example: Quicken. I have 20+ years of financial data I would have to abandon or retain a Windows machine to access it. I have found no program in Ubuntu that will import that data in a usable form, I've tried many times in the last two years(I'm sure there are those who could do so using a 'flat file' scenario and fiddling with it for several weeks, I'm not one).

Browsing and typing away are fine for those who don't actually use their computer as a production tool. Those who do are for now stuck with Windows or Mac.

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Message 1839618 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 14:37:14 UTC - in response to Message 1839611.  

You might install a Virtual Windows Machine on your Linux host using Virtual Box. It is free.
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Message 1839620 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 14:54:38 UTC - in response to Message 1839618.  

You might install a Virtual Windows Machine on your Linux host using Virtual Box. It is free.

Though it is a (even good) solution, it would still be Windows in one of its flavours, with its pains, where applicable.
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Message 1839624 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 16:03:46 UTC

Again, I possess just enough programming knowledge to totally screw up a machine. My experience with VM software is basically 0. Any links to installation guidance or sources would be greatly appreciated.

Heck, why not start my 70th year on this world learning something new? Gives a reason to go for another 70........... " : >

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Message 1839627 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 16:43:12 UTC

I agree with you, the current Linux CAD offerings are "pretty weak" when compared to Autocad or SolidWorks, so, for the foreseeable future I will have at least one (dual boot?) machine running Windows 7. The only reason the Windows PC I recently built was Windows 10 was that they bought the bits as a bundle, and the vendor wouldn't a swap from Win10 to Win7, but did give them a rebate on going to Linux!
Given that 90% of folks don't use more than a word processor, a browser and an email client I can see no reason for that 90% to be lumbered with a very expensive thing they don't actually use.
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Message 1839652 - Posted: 2 Jan 2017, 18:27:00 UTC - in response to Message 1839624.  
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I am using VirtualBox in the CERN projects, now grouped in LHC@home. I install Virtual Box on my SuSE Linux hosts by getting the generic version for all Linux distros, then compiling the kernel modules using gcc, make and the Linux kernel source code of my distro. Otherwise go to Oracle Virtual Box and download the version compiled for your distro, 32 or 64 bit, and the Extension pack. Once you start Virtual Box you start a Virtual Machine by the New header and follow the instructions. Of course you must provide it with sufficient disk space and RAM. I used to have a Solaris 11 Virtual Machine on a 64-bit Linux host, but Solaris has no BOINC clients and manager so I canceled it.
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Message 1839723 - Posted: 3 Jan 2017, 1:33:39 UTC - in response to Message 1839624.  

Again, I possess just enough programming knowledge to totally screw up a machine. My experience with VM software is basically 0. Any links to installation guidance or sources would be greatly appreciated.

Heck, why not start my 70th year on this world learning something new? Gives a reason to go for another 70........... " : >

Using a VM to run Quicken on Linux is one (cumbersome) way.

Alternatively, you may have success with the latest version of WINE. The listed reports are a mixed bag but some people have their versions working. See: WINEhq - Quicken

(I'll let others explain what WINE is...)

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Message 1839738 - Posted: 3 Jan 2017, 3:17:02 UTC - in response to Message 1839611.  

Unfortunately so many 'productive' programs are not issued and will not run on Linux.

Example: Quicken. I have 20+ years of financial data I would have to abandon or retain a Windows machine to access it. I have found no program in Ubuntu that will import that data in a usable form, I've tried many times in the last two years(I'm sure there are those who could do so using a 'flat file' scenario and fiddling with it for several weeks, I'm not one).

Browsing and typing away are fine for those who don't actually use their computer as a production tool. Those who do are for now stuck with Windows or Mac.

You said you tried many ways of getting 20 years of Quicken data into a Linux program. Have you tried GnuCash? It seems to import Quicken .QIF files and accounts fairly well. I moved from DOS and OS/2 finance programs into the Windows version of GnuCash without too much trouble. Since it primarily is developed for Linux distribution, I would think it would work fairly well. I would suggest only moving the latest couple of years of Quicken data into GnuCash initially to keep the database small and quicker loading. Then import the majority of older data into a separate database that you don't care about the speed of loading and accessing that as needed when you don't care about load speed. I too wouldn't have the patience to spend months manipulating flat .CSV data. Give it a look if you haven't already.
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Message 1841308 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 4:14:01 UTC

Well, I went ahead against my most basic instincts and installed Win 10 Pro x(64) (build 1607) , via technical assistance which is still available, and it took about 2 hrs. to complete. It ended up looking completely different than when I first attempted this way back when. I was very surprised to see that it retained most of the Win 7 look and feel, and is in making me like it so far. I've had very little issues, except for BOINC and how it relates to SETI. These are points that may have to go to upstream, but I'll state them here.

It seems that the BOINC Manager will not stay connected to the local host, even though the applications are running. I first noticed it when exclusive applications are involved. The manager will pause during the execution of an excluded application, but the manager did not reconnect after the pause. I exited BOINC and restarted, but even though the SETI application are running, the icon in the notification area has the red bug on it and when I move the cursor over it, it shows 'reconnecting to client'. If I right-click the icon the GUI is empty.

I stopped BOINC and did a repair install, but to no avail. If I recycle the machine, it seems that everything is running correctly and I can see data if the tabs, but after closing the GUI, the manager loses the connection to the local host. Right now I can't see what is happening via the GUI.

Any recommendations be greatly appreciated.


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Message 1841314 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 4:30:34 UTC - in response to Message 1841308.  
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Well, I went ahead against my most basic instincts and installed Win 10 Pro x(64) (build 1607) , ...
It seems that the BOINC Manager will not stay connected to the local host, even though the applications are running. I first noticed it when exclusive applications are involved. The manager will pause during the execution of an excluded application, but the manager did not reconnect after the pause. I exited BOINC and restarted, but even though the SETI application are running, the icon in the notification area has the red bug on it and when I move the cursor over it, it shows 'reconnecting to client'. If I right-click the icon the GUI is empty.

I stopped BOINC and did a repair install, but to no avail. If I recycle the machine, it seems that everything is running correctly and I can see data if the tabs, but after closing the GUI, the manager loses the connection to the local host. Right now I can't see what is happening via the GUI.

Any recommendations be greatly appreciated.

I've got 4 boxes here running Win10x64 Pro, current build (Version 10.0.14393.00) and have not seen that specific issue as a stand-alone.
I did have problems with red ball and reconnecting to client upon restarts after GUPPIRescheduler/QOpt events during beta test, on various boxes as well as my own, but have not seen this since. Was looking through to see if I could find anything in my notes.
If I recall right, you could double click the BOINC Icon to open BOINC Manager, then File > Select computer at which point if you hit any key the previous host would populate from blank and then reconnect if told to. I'll see if I can find a link to the previous discussion of this, though, again, I was seeing this in conjunction with QOpt.
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Message 1841319 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 4:58:06 UTC - in response to Message 1841308.  


Any recommendations be greatly appreciated.

I went back and read through the thread I mentioned and didn't see anything that would help you. Sorry ...
You might ping Richard Haselgrove on this one; I know this is an issue he has been concerned about and he might be able to offer some better suggestions.
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Message 1841457 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 16:41:00 UTC
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Our continuing commitment to your privacy with Windows 10:

At Microsoft, we are deeply committed to protecting our customers’ privacy. This includes providing clear choices and easy-to-use tools that put you in control of how your information is collected and used. Trust is a core pillar of our More Personal Computing vision, and we are working hard to make sure Windows 10 is the most secure Windows ever and a product you love and trust.

Many of you have asked for more control over your data, a greater understanding of how data is collected, and the benefits this brings for a more personalized experience. Based on your feedback, we are launching two new experiences to help ensure you are in control of your privacy.

First, today we’re launching a new web-based privacy dashboard so you can see and control your activity data from Microsoft including location, search, browsing, and Cortana Notebook data across multiple Microsoft services. Second, we’re introducing in Windows 10 a new privacy set up experience, simplifying Diagnostic data levels and further reducing the data collected at the Basic level. These Windows 10 changes are being introduced in a Windows Insider build soon for feedback first and will be rolled out to everyone when the Windows 10 Creators Update becomes available.


Of course there's still no 'off' option. And nothing about Windows 7 or 8.1
But for the latter, there's a new app: http://www.getblackbird.net/ Stops the spying on Windows Vista and above!
Do run it as administrator. (do watch out, it'll get rid of the telemetry by uninstalling updates, which may give problems again with the Windows Update Agent being slow.)
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