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Message 1804120 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 10:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 1804117.  

[ sorry, couldn't resist:) ]

No damage taken, sir, but i'm really not paranoid. X)

It is not the Win 10 system itself, that bothers me, it's the unsolicited sniffing on MY PC and MY privacy, which is simply unacceptable! All those "updates" to the old 7 and 8.1 systems only update their sniffing- and update-core to the same monopoly policy, the Win 10 core already has and i really don't like that on my system - that's all!

If anyone decides to cut off the internet for private people, it would only be pushing a single update and at least the Windoze community would be cut off in a snap - that's an absolute no go for me!
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Message 1804123 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 12:01:32 UTC - in response to Message 1804120.  
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[ sorry, couldn't resist:) ]

No damage taken, sir, but i'm really not paranoid. X)

It is not the Win 10 system itself, that bothers me, it's the unsolicited sniffing on MY PC and MY privacy, which is simply unacceptable! All those "updates" to the old 7 and 8.1 systems only update their sniffing- and update-core to the same monopoly policy, the Win 10 core already has and i really don't like that on my system - that's all!

If anyone decides to cut off the internet for private people, it would only be pushing a single update and at least the Windoze community would be cut off in a snap - that's an absolute no go for me!


I totally agree.

In addition....
Since i can not agree with the Licence agreement at all i will refuse to use such an "app".
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Message 1804132 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 12:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 1804120.  

[ sorry, couldn't resist:) ]

No damage taken, sir, but i'm really not paranoid. X)

It is not the Win 10 system itself, that bothers me, it's the unsolicited sniffing on MY PC and MY privacy, which is simply unacceptable! All those "updates" to the old 7 and 8.1 systems only update their sniffing- and update-core to the same monopoly policy, the Win 10 core already has and i really don't like that on my system - that's all!

If anyone decides to cut off the internet for private people, it would only be pushing a single update and at least the Windoze community would be cut off in a snap - that's an absolute no go for me!

The same here, but I'm getting sick of going away lately as when I get back I've either got to rollback or fix a lot of Win10 installs.

But I also soon know when a Win10 PC is connected to my network as it sucks the crap out of my old DSL connection.

So it's still Win7 for me until 2020 ATM.

Cheers.
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Message 1804145 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 13:37:19 UTC - in response to Message 1804132.  

[ sorry, couldn't resist:) ]

No damage taken, sir, but i'm really not paranoid. X)

It is not the Win 10 system itself, that bothers me, it's the unsolicited sniffing on MY PC and MY privacy, which is simply unacceptable! All those "updates" to the old 7 and 8.1 systems only update their sniffing- and update-core to the same monopoly policy, the Win 10 core already has and i really don't like that on my system - that's all!

If anyone decides to cut off the internet for private people, it would only be pushing a single update and at least the Windoze community would be cut off in a snap - that's an absolute no go for me!

The same here, but I'm getting sick of going away lately as when I get back I've either got to rollback or fix a lot of Win10 installs.

But I also soon know when a Win10 PC is connected to my network as it sucks the crap out of my old DSL connection.

So it's still Win7 for me until 2020 ATM.

Cheers.

Still 7 on my daily driver as well. Have had updater totally disabled since the 10 crap hit the fan. Not going to move until it stops running entirely.
And all the crunchers are still on XP...best damned OS ever.
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Message 1804181 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 15:11:12 UTC - in response to Message 1804132.  

... I'm getting sick of going away lately as when I get back I've either got to rollback or fix a lot of Win10 installs.

But I also soon know when a Win10 PC is connected to my network as it sucks the crap out of my old DSL connection.

So it's still Win7 for me until 2020 ATM.

Cheers.

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To alleviate the problem you are experiencing, I would direct you to some of my previous posts in this thread.  For expediency, I recommend initially viewing the second message.


In addition to third party software, there are two registry edits (mentioned in some of the articles referenced in my posts) which can be performed.  I installed these, as well as, the highly recommended GWX Control Panel Monitor back in Feb and since then, every advance by Win10 to enter my system has been rebuffed without any other intervention by me.

I created text files of these reg edits to avoid entering the registry directly.  If you'd like them, PM me.

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Message 1804191 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 15:50:14 UTC - in response to Message 1804181.  

... I'm getting sick of going away lately as when I get back I've either got to rollback or fix a lot of Win10 installs.

But I also soon know when a Win10 PC is connected to my network as it sucks the crap out of my old DSL connection.

So it's still Win7 for me until 2020 ATM.

Cheers.

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To alleviate the problem you are experiencing, I would direct you to some of my previous posts in this thread.  For expediency, I recommend initially viewing the second message.


In addition to third party software, there are two registry edits (mentioned in some of the articles referenced in my posts) which can be performed.  I installed these, as well as, the highly recommended GWX Control Panel Monitor back in Feb and since then, every advance by Win10 to enter my system has been rebuffed without any other intervention by me.

I created text files of these reg edits to avoid entering the registry directly.  If you'd like them, PM me.


I know very well how to keep my PC's Win10 free, but I also work on many other PC's around this area and I must also respect preferences of their users as well (even if it hurts my network when I have work on them here). ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1804208 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 16:20:18 UTC

Still waiting for the Euro class action lawsuit.
It is coming, sooner or later.

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Message 1804268 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 21:43:48 UTC

I obviously don't get something. Why not use Linux?
(...or am I asking a Q that was answered many times before)
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Message 1804280 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 22:04:16 UTC - in response to Message 1804208.  
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Still waiting for the Euro class action lawsuit.
It is coming, sooner or later.

This may be as good as it gets.  It remains to be seen whether this is simply political bluster.

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Message 1804284 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 22:14:08 UTC - in response to Message 1804268.  

I obviously don't get something. Why not use Linux?
(...or am I asking a Q that was answered many times before)



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Message 1805048 - Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 1:17:16 UTC - in response to Message 1804268.  

I obviously don't get something. Why not use Linux?
(...or am I asking a Q that was answered many times before)

My answer was to convert my Intel PC into a Hackintosh. GO MAC!!!!! :-)

Now, I can dual boot between El Capitan and Windows 7. :-)

Intel Quad Core Extreme QX9650 at 3 GHz. Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 with BIOS Upgrade FD. 16 GB DDR2 800 MHz. (4 x 4 GB sticks.) Two EVGA GTX-750TI SC GPUs with 2 GB GDDR5 each. DVD Drive. Two WD Black 1 TB Drives. (One Win 7 Pro x64. One MAC OS X El Capitan 10.11.4.) 610 Watt PSU. CoolerMaster Hyper212 EVO. Full Tower Case. One WD 1 TB Laptop Drive in External USB Case. (MAC OS X Time Machine drive.) System Name: Prometheus/Andromeda. (Win 7 = Prometheus, MAC OS = Andromeda.)

BOINC installed on both OSes. So, this computer is listed twice in my Computer List.

My second computer is an AMD A6-6400K APU with EVGA GTX-760. WD 250 GB Hard Drive. Win XP Pro x64. System Name: Exeter.

Third, (occasional), cruncher is my parents' HP Skylake Desktop system. System Name: Farragut. (System on Win 10 Pro x64.)

My hope now is that my newly modified Andromeda will raise my RAC with the two 750's. We'll see.

I'm still debating on Upgrading Prometheus to Win 10 Pro; but, again, since creating Andromeda I really don't see the need to Upgrade to Win 10 there.


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Message 1805172 - Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 19:14:30 UTC - in response to Message 1805048.  

I obviously don't get something. Why not use Linux?
(...or am I asking a Q that was answered many times before)

My answer was to convert my Intel PC into a Hackintosh. GO MAC!!!!! :-)

Now, I can dual boot between El Capitan and Windows 7. :-)

Intel Quad Core Extreme QX9650 at 3 GHz. Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 with BIOS Upgrade FD. 16 GB DDR2 800 MHz. (4 x 4 GB sticks.) Two EVGA GTX-750TI SC GPUs with 2 GB GDDR5 each. DVD Drive. Two WD Black 1 TB Drives. (One Win 7 Pro x64. One MAC OS X El Capitan 10.11.4.) 610 Watt PSU. CoolerMaster Hyper212 EVO. Full Tower Case. One WD 1 TB Laptop Drive in External USB Case. (MAC OS X Time Machine drive.) System Name: Prometheus/Andromeda. (Win 7 = Prometheus, MAC OS = Andromeda.)

Not that you'll be all that interested, but I have a slightly older version of that same mobo, namely the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L Rev 1.0. (Host 8049524) Can't tell for sure if it's the BIOS (Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 (Bios F9,latest) or the processor (Xeon E5450), but the system would not upgrade to Win 10 x64, due to lack of CMPXCHG128 support. Runs fine on Win 7 x64. Go figure ....
Not sure what the deal was on the old BIOS, as it gave an Apple logo when booting, before I nuked it. Of course, the system was running Ubuntu 14 when I got it.

Later, ...
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Message 1805277 - Posted: 28 Jul 2016, 5:19:44 UTC - in response to Message 1805172.  


Not that you'll be all that interested, but I have a slightly older version of that same mobo, namely the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L Rev 1.0. (Host 8049524) Can't tell for sure if it's the BIOS (Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 (Bios F9,latest) or the processor (Xeon E5450), but the system would not upgrade to Win 10 x64, due to lack of CMPXCHG128 support. Runs fine on Win 7 x64. Go figure ....
Not sure what the deal was on the old BIOS, as it gave an Apple logo when booting, before I nuked it. Of course, the system was running Ubuntu 14 when I got it.

Later, ...

Actually, at last check when I was on the Hackintosh site, I was told that the REAL latest BIOS for the UD3P Rev 1.6 was FE. However; when I went to Gigabyte to check this, my FD Version was the latest available. (This was like 3 Mos. ago when I checked.) So, at some point, Gigabyte pulled out the FE BIOS Upgrade. I never saw ANYTHING about F9... (But, there again, Gigabyte could have pulled that off the Upgrade list, too...)

The ONLY reason you'd see an Apple logo on boot is if there was MAC OS on the hard drive. So, whoever had the system before you must have made a Hackintosh out of it, like I have done here. The Apple logo would NOT have been attributed in any way to the BIOS...

These older Gigabyte boards seem pretty versatile and solid. I'm quite impressed with my Dual Boot system. :-)


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Message 1805294 - Posted: 28 Jul 2016, 8:12:34 UTC

ohohoh, big news...they say CORTANA couldn´t be disabled after 2nd August 2016 and Aniversary Update ...lollollollollol.

I will destroy the Cortana.exe easly by booting some linux derivat :DDDD

just for testing, give me a BSOD....
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Message 1805313 - Posted: 28 Jul 2016, 11:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1805277.  


Not that you'll be all that interested, but I have a slightly older version of that same mobo, namely the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L Rev 1.0. (Host 8049524) Can't tell for sure if it's the BIOS (Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 (Bios F9,latest) or the processor (Xeon E5450), but the system would not upgrade to Win 10 x64, due to lack of CMPXCHG128 support. Runs fine on Win 7 x64. Go figure ....
Not sure what the deal was on the old BIOS, as it gave an Apple logo when booting, before I nuked it. Of course, the system was running Ubuntu 14 when I got it.

Later, ...

Actually, at last check when I was on the Hackintosh site, I was told that the REAL latest BIOS for the UD3P Rev 1.6 was FE. However; when I went to Gigabyte to check this, my FD Version was the latest available. (This was like 3 Mos. ago when I checked.) So, at some point, Gigabyte pulled out the FE BIOS Upgrade. I never saw ANYTHING about F9... (But, there again, Gigabyte could have pulled that off the Upgrade list, too...)

The ONLY reason you'd see an Apple logo on boot is if there was MAC OS on the hard drive. So, whoever had the system before you must have made a Hackintosh out of it, like I have done here. The Apple logo would NOT have been attributed in any way to the BIOS...

These older Gigabyte boards seem pretty versatile and solid. I'm quite impressed with my Dual Boot system. :-)


TL

Actually, the BIOS is pretty specific to the sub-model of the motherboard. In example, I had initially downloaded the F11 BIOS, which fails to load. Turns out, that's specific to the UD3LR. Went back, realized it and downloaded the F9, specific only to the UD3L.
Re the apple screen, that's a negative. It was the BIOS splash screen, not associated with any disk drives, and delivered at POST. I know this as I migrated from Ubuntu to Win by moving a small SSD drive I had off another machine, replacing the HDD containing Ubuntu. When I reflashed the BIOS to F9, the Apple splash screen was replaced with the Gigabyte Tech splash screen you've no doubt seen, unless you disabled it in BIOS as I later did. So no, it was definitely a BIOS thing.
Wish I had captured the rev number, but don't feel like reloading it just to see, and the splash screens have to be disabled to read the rev level in any event (lousy design, AMD). May take a peek at the backup I made to floppy with a Hex editor and see if I can see it there. Usually near the front of the BIN.
Later, Jim ...
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Message 1805415 - Posted: 28 Jul 2016, 20:20:22 UTC
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>  Microsoft removes policies from Windows 10 Pro

Excerpts:
    "The big one is the Turn off Microsoft consumer experiences policy. We have talked about the feature previously. It powers among other things the installation of third-party apps and extra links on Windows 10.  So, if you did not want Candy Crush to be pushed to your operating system, you'd disable the policy to block that from happening.  The change prevents Windows 10 Pro users from enabling the policy to block third-party application installations or links."

    "The changes take away functionality that was previously a part of the Windows 10 Pro edition."

... precisely how does this improve the user experience?

>  Windows 10 Version 1607 driver signing changes

Excerpt:

    "Microsoft notes that the change is done to make Windows more secure for end-users."

To accomplish this, wouldn't you replace it with *nix, or BSD.

>  Microsoft will make Cortana mandatory in Anniversary Update

Excerpt:

    ...the virtual assistant is set to replace the standard search function altogether in the upcoming software update, and users will no longer be able to disable Cortana after the Anniversary Update.

After July 29, Win10 will no longer be free, but you will still get a complementary straitjacket.

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Message 1805591 - Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 14:34:58 UTC
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Doubt they will win against M$ but maybe there is that 0.01% chance!

Florida men sue Microsoft over 'coerced' upgrades to Windows 10

Three Florida men have filed a lawsuit in a Florida federal court against Microsoft, charging that the company "coerced" them into upgrading to Windows 10 and that the "unintentional" upgrades damaged their PCs, resulting in lost time and money.

"Microsoft engaged in a reckless and negligent premise with catastrophic consequences for some of Defendant's customers whose devices were rendered useless and incapable of normal recovery operations," the complaint stated. "Plaintiffs were coerced into adopting Windows 10 or had Windows 10 installed in various unintentional manners with subsequent damage to their computers after which Plaintiffs sustained unnecessary and avoidable stress, confusion, loss of time and significant monetary damage all at the hands of Defendant."

The lawsuit asked for class-action status, which would make it easy for others to join the case, and if successful, share in any awarded damages.


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Message 1805597 - Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 15:11:34 UTC - in response to Message 1805591.  

Doubt they will win against M$ but maybe there is that 0.01% chance!

Florida men sue Microsoft over 'coerced' upgrades to Windows 10

Three Florida men have filed a lawsuit in a Florida federal court against Microsoft, charging that the company "coerced" them into upgrading to Windows 10 and that the "unintentional" upgrades damaged their PCs, resulting in lost time and money.

"Microsoft engaged in a reckless and negligent premise with catastrophic consequences for some of Defendant's customers whose devices were rendered useless and incapable of normal recovery operations," the complaint stated. "Plaintiffs were coerced into adopting Windows 10 or had Windows 10 installed in various unintentional manners with subsequent damage to their computers after which Plaintiffs sustained unnecessary and avoidable stress, confusion, loss of time and significant monetary damage all at the hands of Defendant."

The lawsuit asked for class-action status, which would make it easy for others to join the case, and if successful, share in any awarded damages.

Greetings,

Can Window$ 10 be installed without accepting the EULA? If so, they may have a leg to stand on. If not, then no Class Action.

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Message 1805621 - Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 17:18:26 UTC - in response to Message 1805597.  
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From what I have been reading here on this thread for quite a while now, it relentlessly goes in and back doors the update without you having to accept anything, especially if you have automatic updates turned on. So, I would say that they have at least a shot of this turning into a class action, and as much as I dislike lawyers, (especially the slimy ones who usually push the BS, here - you get a $10 coupon that you will never ever use and we get Millions in legal fees), I hope that this one goes thru and M$ loses their a$$ on it. Not because I think I personally would benefit monetarily from it, but because it will hopefully have a chilling effect on any other large, multi-national, multi-billion $ computer/software/etc. type companies considering anything even remotely similar.

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Message 1805631 - Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 18:35:13 UTC - in response to Message 1805621.  

but because it will hopefully have a chilling effect on any other large, multi-national, multi-billion $ computer/software/etc. type companies considering anything even remotely similar.

Unfortunately it would become a textbook case and all the little "errors" M$ did would be pointed out so that your client won't do them.

I can see next anniversary's update now ... Your copy of W10 is out of date and must be updated to continue to function. Please enter your credit card information to continue the update process.
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