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Message 1800004 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 22:09:11 UTC

Microsoft’s Windows 10 Anniversary Update will arrive August 2nd

https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/29/microsofts-windows-10-anniversary-update-will-arrive-august-2nd/?ncid=rss

It is supposed to be a BIGGIE. Oh whoopie!
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Message 1800023 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 22:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 1798727.  
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"updates to avoid", version 10:

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3012973 - The actual upgrade to Windows 10.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3058168 - This update allows 8.1 Key Management Service (KMS) hosts to upgrade to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7.
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3079821 - Same as KB3058168, but for Windows 7.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3123862 - This update adds capabilities to some computers that lets users easily learn about Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10. (read: "nags you with propaganda until you give-in")
KB 3135445 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - February 2016.
KB 3135449 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - February 2016.
KB 3138612 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - March 2016.
KB 3138615 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - March 2016.
KB 3139929 - Update for IE9. It does fix some issues, but stealthily installs 3146449, which is an IE 11 update that gives win7/8.1 an upgrade path to 10. This update has been dubbed "when a security update is not a security update"
KB 3146449 - Updates IE 11's capabilities to upgrade 7/8.1 to 10. This one is not stand-alone, it is embedded within 3139929.
KB 3150513 - "May 2016 Compatibility Update" - improves the nagging mechanism to coerce you into getting 10 whether you want it or not.
KB 3161606 - June 2016 update rollup. (This one contains a new update client (3163023) embedded within it.)
KB 3161608 - June 2016 update rollup. (Everything in this one looks okay, except for the new update client (3161647) that is embedded in it. I'm avoiding it for that reason.)
KB 3163589 - For win7 without SP1, win8 without 8.1; provides a full-screen nagware warning about using an outdated OS, pushing the upgrade to 10
KB 3173040 - For win7 SP1, win8.1; provides a full-screen nagware warning about the free upgrade expiring soon

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Message 1800024 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 22:59:58 UTC
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I went ahead and updated the list since there were a few to add to it in such a short period of time. Again, thank you to those who keep pointing out updates that I don't always see/find on my own.



What I'm interested in seeing, and I may use a VM to find out.. is after this free upgrade period is over... will most of these updates suddenly be removed from the update pool? Or will they stay and just switch over to incessant nagging about buying an upgrade to 10? That's going to be an interesting one to find out starting sometime in August.
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Message 1800083 - Posted: 2 Jul 2016, 7:36:44 UTC - in response to Message 1800024.  


What I'm interested in seeing, and I may use a VM to find out.. is after this free upgrade period is over... will most of these updates suddenly be removed from the update pool? Or will they stay and just switch over to incessant nagging about buying an upgrade to 10? That's going to be an interesting one to find out starting sometime in August.

Most probably M$ will just extend free upgrade period "due to enormous number of requests from peoples who wanna upgrade so much but late"...
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Message 1800867 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 4:20:18 UTC

Get ready for (possibly) the last "big push" by M$....
Final Windows 10 upgrade nag takes over your whole screen

Zero hour is approaching, and with the free Windows 10 upgrade offer set to expire at the end of the month Microsoft has unleashed a new weapon: a full-screen nag. Err, reminder.

Microsoft has been much, much more careful in designing and delivering this particular nag screen. Not everyone who’s been avoiding the Windows 10 upgrade is going to see this new screen.

For example, if you tried to upgrade before and it failed, you won’t see the full-screen nag. You also won’t see it if your computer is detected to be incompatible, if you declined the EULA after a successful install, or if you rolled back to your previous version of Windows after kicking the tires on Windows 10.


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Message 1800920 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 12:34:01 UTC

Several months ago, I posted, that Windows updates kept stalling, then uninstalled themselves, with a total of 8 reboots. Last week, it finally fixed itself, by uninstalling MSI Afterburner. It was an older copy, so there must have been something in it Win 10 didn't like. This week, I will find something more modern to monitor GPU temps, but with my water cooling, I don't have a problem with GPU overheating. My CPU is running at 4.4 GHz, but is only 30°C due to my new chiller.

It is such a relief to no be constantly be prompted to reboot my system, when I knew it was going to uninstall the updates anyway. I finally reinstalled Adobe Reader, as it had kept switching the pdf default application back to Edge. Now, it finally works! This has been a problem since I did a clean install of Win 10 with my latest computer build.

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Message 1800927 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 14:02:59 UTC - in response to Message 1800920.  

Several months ago, I posted, that Windows updates kept stalling, then uninstalled themselves, with a total of 8 reboots. Last week, it finally fixed itself, by uninstalling MSI Afterburner. It was an older copy, so there must have been something in it Win 10 didn't like. This week, I will find something more modern to monitor GPU temps, but with my water cooling, I don't have a problem with GPU overheating. My CPU is running at 4.4 GHz, but is only 30°C due to my new chiller.

It is such a relief to no be constantly be prompted to reboot my system, when I knew it was going to uninstall the updates anyway. I finally reinstalled Adobe Reader, as it had kept switching the pdf default application back to Edge. Now, it finally works! This has been a problem since I did a clean install of Win 10 with my latest computer build.

Steve

There's no such thing as a free lunch. This article may say for enterprise customers only, now. But I predicted that Micro$oft would disable the X and they pretty much did just that by making it a button to accept the Window$ 10 upgrade. Just wait. Users that got Window$ 10 "free" will end up paying a monthly usage fee for the rest or Micro$oft's life. Miss a payment and the computer will not boot or have very, very, very limited usage until payment is made. More likely it will boot into a nag window demanding that payment must be made to get past the nag window. Ok, perhaps Micro$oft will be magnanimous and give a 5 day grace period. Uh-huh. ;)

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Message 1800946 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 20:48:04 UTC - in response to Message 1800920.  

Several months ago, I posted, that Windows updates kept stalling, then uninstalled themselves, with a total of 8 reboots. Last week, it finally fixed itself, by uninstalling MSI Afterburner. It was an older copy, so there must have been something in it Win 10 didn't like. This week, I will find something more modern to monitor GPU temps, but with my water cooling, I don't have a problem with GPU overheating. My CPU is running at 4.4 GHz, but is only 30°C due to my new chiller.
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You might want to take a look at SIV [System Information Viewer] SIV64
which is a nice utility to monitor GPU temps and CPU temps, in fact Everything about your system. If you have a Corsair Link AIO device it also will monitor and control that. I don't bother with the standard Corsair Link software and just use SIV64 to control my H-100i V2 cooler. Also allows custom fan control on Nvidia GPUs.
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Message 1802423 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 21:10:15 UTC

O dear, patchday again and Windows 7 is turning its hopeless rounds! :(
This is after a reboot ~3 hours ago:



This is excellent crapware, which only M$ dares to spit on its customers...
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Message 1802458 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 2:17:34 UTC
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So, to get back closer to the thread title ... Just did the first Win7 Pro migration on a cruncher to Win 10 last night (Host ID 7811252, for anyone who's curious). Didn't go anywhere near as smoothly as I'd have liked, but eventually did succeed. If anyone's interested, I can give a fuller description of the process and issues I encountered.
So for the moment, I have two exactly identical boxes, one on 7 and one on 10. Will leave it that way for a bit, just to compare.
So far, so good...
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Message 1802474 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 6:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 1802423.  

O dear, patchday again and Windows 7 is turning its hopeless rounds! :(
This is after a reboot ~3 hours ago:



This is excellent crapware, which only M$ dares to spit on its customers...

Yeah, that's about right. That one update for the new Update Client for October 2015 fixes that "memory leak" (I think that's what they decided to call it) where it uses a ton of memory and a whole CPU core for upwards of a few hours.

The problem is, as I've stated in this thread once before... I don't trust that updated client to not go behind my back and install stuff I didn't authorize it to do, as some of the other versions of the client have been discovered to do.
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Message 1802488 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 11:07:54 UTC - in response to Message 1802474.  
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The problem is, as I've stated in this thread once before... I don't trust that updated client to not go behind my back and install stuff I didn't authorize it to do, as some of the other versions of the client have been discovered to do.


At a whopping 2.5GBytes... Is that by any chance the compressed size to install the guts of Windows10?...

Rather odd to 'hide' that in a service process... Are not 'background services' supposed to be small and fast and unobtrusive, so as to be in the background and be unobtrusive and provide an efficient service?...


Or is this some new 'abuse' similar to how some executables are 'hidden' in the Windows registry and other places where executables simply should not be found!...?


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Message 1802492 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 11:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 1802488.  

At a whopping 2.5GBytes... Is that by any chance the compressed size to install the guts of Windows10?...


Frankly I myself 'don't give a rats', since their apparent dependence on numbers places them as victims as opposed to observers.
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Message 1802516 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 13:41:33 UTC - in response to Message 1802488.  

At a whopping 2.5GBytes... Is that by any chance the compressed size to install the guts of Windows10?...

Actually no, since this system cannot update to Windows 10.

I saw a Win7 system updating in a VirtualBox with 3GB of associated RAM using the whole RAM in a saw tooth like manner, always bumping back from the 3GB limit back to ~2GB and rising again to the max. Basically the system was idle with only fetching updates running. One CPU was maxed out and also the memory. This process lasted for about 5 hours until finally finding some updates...

...of course the whole process repeated after the obligatory reboot, because i had hidden some unsolicited updates, mainly WinX-related. :/
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Message 1802536 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 15:58:51 UTC - in response to Message 1802488.  

The problem is, as I've stated in this thread once before... I don't trust that updated client to not go behind my back and install stuff I didn't authorize it to do, as some of the other versions of the client have been discovered to do.


At a whopping 2.5GBytes... Is that by any chance the compressed size to install the guts of Windows10?...

Rather odd to 'hide' that in a service process... Are not 'background services' supposed to be small and fast and unobtrusive, so as to be in the background and be unobtrusive and provide an efficient service?...


Or is this some new 'abuse' similar to how some executables are 'hidden' in the Windows registry and other places where executables simply should not be found!...?

As much of a neat coincidence as it is.. if you've avoided everything in the list of updates to avoid, that's just a memory leak plain and simple. It does fix itself eventually. I recently got my WSUS install working again and got the new DB populated and all 33gb of updates downloaded to it, and when I told my main machine to check WSUS for updates, it took about 3 hours and peaked at 2.7 GB. After it was done checking, that svchost process dropped back down to ~25 MB.

My laptop just won't do updates anymore, unless I allow at least that October 2015 Update Client, because the laptop runs out of memory. As far as I can tell, the memory for that svchost process cannot be put into the pagefile. On a clean reboot with nothing else open, and telling it to check for updates, all 4gb of physical memory get used, and then it errors-out after about 30 minutes. So.. I turned updates off on it like.. six months ago.
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Message 1802538 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 16:07:51 UTC - in response to Message 1802536.  

As much of a neat coincidence as it is.. if you've avoided everything in the list of updates to avoid, that's just a memory leak plain and simple.

Memory Leak = This will be released on XX/XX/XX! = No time to run dynamic tests to make sure there aren't leaks. It is just upper management doing programming/coding. Nothing sinister, just SOP all over the world.
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Message 1802564 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 17:38:53 UTC

Microsoft gives away lots of free eBooks.

Excerpt:
“The Windows category for instance lists 14 ebooks covering Windows 10 ...”

It would seem that MS products are in a slump across the board.  They may be hoping to turn that around with these freebies.
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Message 1804113 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 9:10:50 UTC

Attention Windows 8.1 Users!

The July 2016 Rollup:
https://support.microsoft.com/de-de/kb/3172614

includes the June Rollup https://support.microsoft.com/de-de/kb/3161606
and the May Rollup https://support.microsoft.com/de-de/kb/3156418

and this way very nice disguising the Update-Client-Update https://support.microsoft.com/de-de/kb/3163023 buried in the June Rollup!
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Message 1804117 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 10:12:43 UTC - in response to Message 1802458.  
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So, to get back closer to the thread title ... Just did the first Win7 Pro migration on a cruncher to Win 10 last night (Host ID 7811252, for anyone who's curious). Didn't go anywhere near as smoothly as I'd have liked, but eventually did succeed. If anyone's interested, I can give a fuller description of the process and issues I encountered.
So for the moment, I have two exactly identical boxes, one on 7 and one on 10. Will leave it that way for a bit, just to compare.
So far, so good...

We interrupt for the following message:

4 crunchers updated to Win 10 and running very nicely ... average upgrade times under an hour including making a backup Win 7 image just in case. Upgrade installs were performed from thumb drive created with instructions from web site, in order to eliminate multiple downloads.

We now return you to your previously scheduled paranoid maundering.

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Message 1804119 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 10:29:14 UTC
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Thinking of a compressed size of windows ...
In Windows 7 i was able to compress the "winsxs" folder in the Windows directory.
Saving some space.

I had to start from install dvd and enter the recovery-console and compress the dirctory
with following.

c:\windows\system32\compact /C /S /I /F /Q C:\windows\winsxs\*.*

I think it was also drive D: to use instead of C:

Anyone tried it before ? I did...

Do not know , if is possible on Windows 10.

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