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Message 1794863 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 23:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1794853.  

As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue.


Ah, then they must have consented then prior. The EULA is presented during the install process. It's the only way to back out at that point without it installing and requiring reversion.

As I already mentioned in this thread. I left a Windows 7 VM running with auto update enabled. Then I came back it to to find it running Windows 10. The only purpose of that VM was to see if an auto install of Windows 10 would happen.
It would seem that if auto update is enabled it is taken as consent to install Windows 10.
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Message 1795025 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 11:24:10 UTC

Well MS aggressive marketing seems to be working here & also causing some issues. Have had 6 systems in this week (4 laptops, 2 desktops, Intel/AMD) all with the same issue.

ALL had gone for the "Free" update to Win 10 & installed it. On the final reboot, systems got stuck in an "automatic repair" mode with no progress.

Fortuately all are regulars who I have recovery disks for.

Have another 5 coming this weekend with the very same issue.

All systems were running Win 7 Home 64.

WHAT are the odds that they all made the same mistake?
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Message 1795048 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 13:40:20 UTC

WHAT are the odds that they all made the same mistake?
100%. The mistake was believing without question what M$ said.

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Message 1795160 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 17:45:33 UTC

Hmm.. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this one: [url=https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry]

Recently Reddit user "sammiesdog" posted claims that Visual Studio's C++ compiler was automatically adding function calls to Microsoft's telemetry services. The screenshot accompanying their post showed how a simple 5 line CPP file produced an assembly language file that included a function call titled "telemetry_main_invoke_trigger".

The ensuing discussion then revolved around how to disable this unannounced “feature” while also speculating its purpose. “sammiesdog” noted that this appears in release builds, while user “ssylvan” also indicated that it appeared in debug builds too. The telemetry function is intended to communicate with ETW.

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telemetry_main_invoke_trigger was found in both Debug and Release builds when the project was compiled under both Windows 7 and Windows 10.

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The ensuing controversy and conversation about the discovery of this function led to a response from Microsoft’s Steve Carroll, Development Manager for the Visual C++ team. First and foremost in his response is the unequivocal statement that this functionality will be removed in Visual Studio 2015’s Update 3.

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Message 1796483 - Posted: 16 Jun 2016, 2:12:50 UTC

From AskWoody.com regarding June 2016 Patch Tuesday:
Reminder: We’re still at MS-DEFCON 2 – don’t install anything
Posted on June 15th, 2016 at 05:13
It’s easy to get confused.

I’ll be talking about ways to speed up Windows Update, but I’m NOT actually recommending that you install the latest crop of patches.

The speed-up discussion isn’t intended to be an endorsement of this month’s patches. It’s not.

Rather, I want to get all the facts out on the table for folks who will be updating, at some point.

Right now, unless you absolutely NEED a specific patch (and I doubt that many of you do), sit tight. Watch the world haggle out the best patching method.


Many people are having BIG PROBLEMS with KB3159398 on Windows 7... Best Advice NOT TO INSTALL (unless you want to spend lots of time trying to fix a broken system).
SOURCE: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/176234-Problem-with-KB3159398-(MS16-072)-User-GPO
Problem with KB3159398 (MS16-072) - User GPO
We normally auto-approve Microsoft security udpates. This morning went sideways because KB3159398 caused some of our User GPOs to not apply - resulting in removal of the items that these GPOs provide.

Our discovery is that this KB caused User GPOs with Security Filtering for select staff to not apply.

The resolution was to use WSUS to Approve the removal of this KB.

Hopefully this post will save you time.

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Message 1796555 - Posted: 16 Jun 2016, 7:17:47 UTC

The Group Policy Object problem with KB3159398 will probably only affect workers attached to corporate networks - that may include some people here, but they'll know who they are. And they won't be doing their own updates anyway.

I only saw one non-security update, and it said it was for time-zone changes only. I went ahead and installed, and no ill-effects so far.
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Message 1796592 - Posted: 16 Jun 2016, 13:28:16 UTC - in response to Message 1796555.  

The Group Policy Object problem with KB3159398 will probably only affect workers attached to corporate networks - that may include some people here, but they'll know who they are. And they won't be doing their own updates anyway.

I only saw one non-security update, and it said it was for time-zone changes only. I went ahead and installed, and no ill-effects so far.


Owing to the fact that I don't care about time zone changes elsewhere, I hid that one as well.

Also since I have IE 11 disabled, I hid that update as well.

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Message 1797198 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 17:32:39 UTC

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Message 1797225 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 18:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 1797198.  

Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks
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Message 1797292 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 1:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 1797225.  
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Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks

You are right, but i think the last list is still ok, cause the last bunch of updates was mainly (as far as i can tell!!) mainly ok... ?!

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Ok, you still have to hide the (re-released) updates, that pop up again from time to time, but they are already in the list...
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Message 1797299 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 1:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 1797292.  

Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks

You are right, but i think the last list is still ok, cause the last bunch of updates was mainly (as far as i can tell!!) mainly ok... ?!

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Ok, you still have to hide the (re-released) updates, that pop up again from time to time, but they are already in the list...

As far as I can tell, this is correct. There hasn't been anything new to avoid since version 8 of the list.
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Message 1797308 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 2:41:29 UTC

Quick question, are any of the updates in the new Win 7 rollup that they just released a month or so ago for those of us who'd like to shorten the update process when loading a fresh install, that need to be removed? Or are all of those included with it A-Ok, and it's the next run of Windows update online that needs to be scrutinized closely? Just want to be clear on it, as I've used it once since I downloaded it, it does shorten the list of needed downloads, but at least for me didn't seem to significantly shorten the time that the 1st update after it was installed took to grind thru to show me the next set of supposedly needed updates.

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Message 1797326 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 7:06:08 UTC

I know last month's rollup was basically a waste of being a rollup, as it only contained two fixes.

Apparently, my WSUS service decided to forget how to access the database, so I haven't been able to see what updates have shown up for this month (my laptop has updates turned off, and this machine only contacts WSUS).

So I'm trying to figure out how to get the WSUS service working again. I ran the WSUS installer and it detected that it was already installed and asked if I wanted to remove it, so I told it yes, and it goes straight to the "finished" screen saying "setup encountered and unknown error and no changes were made." It doesn't explain anything, and the event viewer just says there was a failed installation, but doesn't give an actual reason. I suspect when I was testing a GPU in that machine a few days ago and the system locked-up, it may have corrupted the DB.
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Message 1797525 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 8:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 1797308.  

Of my 7 machines, 3 are on Win10. Two others not upgraded because the upgrade didn't load (tried twice) and I am keeping this one (an Acer Travelmate running Win7 Pro) so I can still write Word documents without having to pay £106 for l Office 365.
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Message 1797789 - Posted: 21 Jun 2016, 22:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1797525.  

Of my 7 machines, 3 are on Win10. Two others not upgraded because the upgrade didn't load (tried twice) and I am keeping this one (an Acer Travelmate running Win7 Pro) so I can still write Word documents without having to pay £106 for l Office 365.


Does your company have an employee benefit that allows you to purchase major software at a greatly reduced cost? My Office Pro 2007 was getting a little long in the tooth on my Win7 Ultimate (x64), and I was able to purchase Office Pro Plus 2016 for $26 USD ($10 for d/l'ed software & $16 for backup CD) through my wife's company. I chose this version of Office as opposed to 365 because I didn't want anything on Microsoft's cloud.

One of the first things I did was to disable the One Drive. You might want to give it a try.


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Message 1797889 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 7:05:54 UTC

Any opinions on the May 2016 rollup: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161608 ?
Especially this component got my interest: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161647
It is a new update client... :?
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Message 1797975 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 16:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 1797889.  

Any opinions on the May 2016 rollup: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161608 ?
Especially this component got my interest: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161647
It is a new update client... :?

June* 2016 rollup.

And yes, that is a new update client buried in there, and no way to isolate that from the rest. Sooo.... you can either roll with it.. or just decide this is the point in time where you turn updates off and make sure you've got a decent antivirus and don't go to strange websites.
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Message 1797996 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:12:26 UTC

Anyone tested the new update client already?
From reading the corresponding article (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161647) it seems to not include the telemetry and win 10 "enhancements". :?

* An optimization that addresses long scan time for updates that's reported on some computers.
* Fix for a Windows Update error 0x8007000E on some computers while they are updating.
* Some reliability improvements.

Will wait for further investigation
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Message 1798005 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:29:25 UTC

To be completely transparent here, I just outright don't trust any of the new clients that have been released after 3035583 first showed up. Sure, the October client fixes that memory leak issue.. but it isn't clear about what else it does in the background. So personally.. I'm not trusting any of the new clients.

But that's a choice for each one of you to decide on your own.
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Message 1798013 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 19:35:17 UTC

I may not have been exactly clear in my question about the big Win 7 rollup update a few posts up, the one I am referring to is the Update for Windows 7 (KB3125574) which has a large number of updates rolled into one convenient package, which lessens the number that have to be downloaded when doing the windows update the normal way online. Anyone know much about that one and what (if any) undesireable things may be lurking inside? Or did they remove all the controversial stuff before publishing it?

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