Can we stay non-political in NC please?

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A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain)

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Jason...you and I both know that we are just peons in a power play by MS.
I hope they do not get away with it.

Chances are, they shall. Or maybe not this time.

They are breaking so many legal and ethical boundaries.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

Pfft, probably not ? I call for Number Crunching politics amnesty, until such time as stuff doesn't suck.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

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Jason...you and I both know that we are just peons in a power play by MS.
I hope they do not get away with it.

Chances are, they shall. Or maybe not this time.

They are breaking so many legal and ethical boundaries.

Welcome to the future :D (and where the F@ck is my flying car?)

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

Well, Fuzzybutt, the amount of money MS puts into politics might indeed be a topic for the PC forum, but we are talking OS stuff.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

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Jason...you and I both know that we are just peons in a power play by MS.
I hope they do not get away with it.

Chances are, they shall. Or maybe not this time.

They are breaking so many legal and ethical boundaries.

Welcome to the future :D (and where the F@ck is my flying car?)

It stopped flying when MS noticed you had not upgraded to 10 upon their insistence.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

Pfft, probably not ? I call for Number Crunching politics amnesty, until such time as stuff doesn't suck.

Sounds too much like waiting for Godot.
Motion declined.

edit: you may proceed. I think that was enough of an amnesty.

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A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain)

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

If a thread has "windows" "macintosh" or "linux" in the title, it is political. Just a sad commentary on life.

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Can we stay non-political in NC please?

If a thread has "windows" "macintosh" or "linux" in the title, it is political. Just a sad commentary on life.

Almost anything related to brands is partly political these days.
It just depends on the eye of the beholder.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

This thread gets confusing when posts go missing.

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I say Nay... Win10 forced an update on my parent's machine, failed midway through, destroyed the bootloader on its way out and left me with a mess that took 6 hours to fix.

There's definitely times that Microsoft makes me want to go back to Windows XP, and I keep a Ubuntu dualboot for a reason.

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I hate to say it but ...
The more F/U'd a system is, the less likely someone is paying attention
They are the ones forced into 10 and because it started F/U'd
you can rest assured it only gets worse under 10!
Hence the nightmare stories.

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I hate to say it but ...
The more F/U'd a system is, the less likely someone is paying attention
They are the ones forced into 10 and because it started F/U'd
you can rest assured it only gets worse under 10!
Hence the nightmare stories.

These stories are not always the case of having a F/U'd system. I truly believed it would have been a good thing upgrading to what has become the M$ ransomware (Win10) and was eager to install it, when it first became widely available. My nightmare story happened during the upgrade that so completely corrupted my system during the install and I couldn't back out it because of said corruption, and I had to do a complete clean install of Win7 from my install CD, it took 2 days to completely re-install everything.

Remember back to when this thread was started, not everyone had a F/U'd system to begin with. The greater majority of us that attempted to upgrade and had to revert back to Win7 had perfectly good and stable machines.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

I hate to say it but ...
The more F/U'd a system is, the less likely someone is paying attention
They are the ones forced into 10 and because it started F/U'd
you can rest assured it only gets worse under 10!
Hence the nightmare stories.

These stories are not always the case of having a F/U'd system. I truly believed it would have been a good thing upgrading to what has become the M$ ransomware (Win10) and was eager to install it, when it first became widely available. My nightmare story happened during the upgrade that so completely corrupted my system during the install and I couldn't back out it because of said corruption, and I had to do a complete clean install of Win7 from my install CD, it took 2 days to completely re-install everything.

Remember back to when this thread was started, not everyone had a F/U'd system to begin with. The greater majority of us that attempted to upgrade and had to revert back to Win7 had perfectly good and stable machines.

Also 'someone paying attention' is kind of unfair in that most PC users (80% using the 80/20 rule) are as ignorant as to the underpinnings of what makes it all work as to what makes an airliner fly. We who haunt these threads are the exception not the rule, and I for one am grateful for the information absorbed from the posts here.

You're only smart when you know what you don't know........

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Remember back to when this thread was started, not everyone had a F/U'd system to begin with. The greater majority of us that attempted to upgrade and had to revert back to Win7 had perfectly good and stable machines.

My system upgraded with no issues at all (even though my hardware is becoming flakey).
My parents, no issues.
I know of 6 others who's systems upgraded with no issues. There were one or 2 others that had some issues because some of their rather old hardware wasn't supported by Win10. Reminds me of going from XP to Vista, Win98 to XP, Win3.11 to Win98. Etc, etc.

The only people I know of with issues are in this thread. Extremely high levels of correlation doesn't mean causation, but it does give some food for thought.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Jerry (aka Barnacules Nerdgasm), ex Microsoft employee, did a pretty good video on Youtube explaining the whys etc, and that despite that underneath Win10 is a pretty good OS, that the tactics of forcing people and the privacy/datamining concerns are over the top.

My Win10 test host Dualboots with Linux, happily munches away with older Ubuntu. For me I would probably need a compelling reason or brain injury to leave it running win10, since no need for DX12 gaming or having my secrets industrially espionaged just yet. Does give me thought to making a Win10 honey-pot though...

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

the tactics of forcing people and the privacy/datamining concerns are over the top.

No disagreement there.

I just find it interesting that people hate Win10 so strongly, regardless of how good it is, just because of the way M$ has gone about pushing it's uptake.

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Grant
Darwin NT

the tactics of forcing people and the privacy/datamining concerns are over the top.

No disagreement there.

I just find it interesting that people hate Win10 so strongly, regardless of how good it is, just because of the way M$ has gone about pushing it's uptake.

Well I'm gravitating to that camp myself, despite liking Win10 core similar to Jerry, simply because I have several machines I am not ready to update, and sensitive data and source code (unrelated to Seti/Boinc) wholly inappropriate to expose to the cloud. m$ has absolutely no place collecting/forcing anything that can affect my income/survival.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Does give me thought to making a Win10 honey-pot though...

One day, I still want to do this:

http://xkcd.com/350

I think it would be fun.

[edit: related side-note... the alt-text over that image on the source page says "viruses so far have been really disappointing on the 'disable the internet' front and time is running out. When Linux/Mac win in a decade or so the game will be over." I don't recall exactly how old #350 is... but it's getting up there in the years. I'm pretty sure it's past halfway to that "in a decade or so" thought at least.]

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

I have several machines I am not ready to update, and sensitive data and source code (unrelated to Seti/Boinc) wholly inappropriate to expose to the cloud. m$ has absolutely no place collecting/forcing anything that can affect my income/survival.

That's why I turned all that off when I did the upgrade.

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Grant
Darwin NT