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Message 1788521 - Posted: 18 May 2016, 20:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 1788518.  
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I can't imagine how businesses are going to accept that with business critical apps running, and then MS lobs an "update" over the wall, blowing up said program without getting permission. I think that will be a huge hulking fly in that ointment for them. I used to work in IT years ago, and if they had tried to pull something like that, with no regression/compatibility testing, it would have been war. lol

So, as the the ancient Chinese saying/curse goes: May you live in interesting times. And apparently, we do...

Updates work differently for consumer vs business.
Consumers, by default, run Current Branch, but can opt-in to Preview Branch if they want to be be guinea pigs.
Businesses with Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise can run Current Branch for Business.
Businesses with Windows 10 Enterprise can also run Long Term Servicing Branch.
Each branch has different options for deferring or blocking updates.

Any moderately sized business I would expect to be using Windows Server Update Services instead of allowing each client to update individually. Which gives admins control over which updates the clients will get. That way if a business finds there is an issue with update KB8675309 they can block from their clients before it is ever deployed.
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Message 1788524 - Posted: 18 May 2016, 20:07:48 UTC - in response to Message 1788521.  
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Any moderately sized business I would expect to be using Windows Server Update Services instead of allowing each client to update individually. Which gives admins control over which updates the clients will get. That way if a business finds there is an issue with update KB8675309 they can block from their clients before it is ever deployed.

I have actually seen bad updates mentioned here in the past, and relayed them to out IT Admin before they caused problems. One update I am thinking of could actually brick a machine. Our Admin stopped the update until it was patched.

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Message 1788528 - Posted: 18 May 2016, 20:20:06 UTC - in response to Message 1788524.  


Any moderately sized business I would expect to be using Windows Server Update Services instead of allowing each client to update individually. Which gives admins control over which updates the clients will get. That way if a business finds there is an issue with update KB8675309 they can block from their clients before it is ever deployed.

I have actually seen bad updates mentioned here in the past, and relayed them to out IT Admin before they caused problems. One update I am thinking of could actually brick a machine. Our Admin stopped the update until it was patched.

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I believe it was mentioned in a MS WSUS Best Practices document to have a sandbox to test updates before they are deployed. I think the default, or recommended, configuration makes all updates available to the clients as soon as they are downloaded by the server.
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Message 1788535 - Posted: 18 May 2016, 21:05:00 UTC - in response to Message 1788457.  

Excellent, thanks for that Jord. Will make things much easier & save a lot of time & grief. :-)
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Message 1788571 - Posted: 18 May 2016, 23:37:56 UTC - in response to Message 1788528.  

I believe it was mentioned in a MS WSUS Best Practices document to have a sandbox to test updates before they are deployed. I think the default, or recommended, configuration makes all updates available to the clients as soon as they are downloaded by the server.

I use WSUS here at home, and if I recall correctly.. the default is needing manual approval for new updates. You can set up multiple groups, and you can approve updates for a 'guinea pig' group, and a 'production' group, or all.

In environments that have more than like.. 5 machines, you have one set aside to be a guinea pig. Approve all the updates for the guinea pig group, see how that machine reacts and if anything breaks. If it's fine, then you can go back and approve all those updates for 'production'.

I have heard of some people doing 'automatically approve updates for distribution' in WSUS, and that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, to me.
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Message 1788593 - Posted: 19 May 2016, 1:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 1788571.  

That is how it is working now, but how do you think what you have said applies to it when it becomes a Windows as a Service, with no version releases, just basically continuous updates/patches? That is going to be a whole new paradigm, but I suppose that if they are allowed to, as now, opt out of having them back-doored into their systems, then they'll be safe, but I'll feel pity for the unfortunate souls on the consumer side of things.

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Message 1788610 - Posted: 19 May 2016, 3:28:37 UTC

I see KB3123862, "Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7" was re-re-released again yesterday. In the "Update replacement information" section it claims: "This update doesn't replace a previously released update." I guess replacing itself doesn't count. ;^)
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Message 1788763 - Posted: 19 May 2016, 18:43:13 UTC

Hello everyone just a quick question for now a lady I work with just had her computer upgraded to 10 without her permission and I want to tell her how to rollback to her 8 but I forget how to do it. I had given her a copy of Cosmic's list but she had not removed anything yet. Thanks for your help.
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Message 1788765 - Posted: 19 May 2016, 18:49:21 UTC - in response to Message 1788476.  

...how can we trust this to be legit?

{Shrug}

Then don't and don't update ever again if you feel you cannot trust MS, continue on with a crap broken Windows, and find that sites will start to actively block your computer because it cannot be trusted. Or just walk away and go the Linux tour.

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It also contains the update for BitLocker can't encrypt drives because of service crashes in svchost.exe process in Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2, which has a known issue:
Known issues in this update:
After you install update 3133977 on a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an ASUS-based main board, the system does not start, and it generates a Secure Boot error on the ASUS BIOS screen. This problem occurs because ASUS allowed the main board to enable the Secure Boot process even though Windows 7 does not support this feature.

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Greetings Jord,

I highly doubt that this thread would exist if everyone trusted Micro$oft. ;)

As for KB3133977, I find it very hard to believe that ASUS is the only motherboard manufacture to send out their boards with Secure Boot enabled. I believe that KB3133977 was just one more trick from Micro$oft's bag to get Win7 users to upgrade to Window$ 10.

I don't know much about Secure Boot except that I had to disable it to install Linux next to Win7.

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Message 1789088 - Posted: 20 May 2016, 23:32:32 UTC - in response to Message 1788765.  

I highly doubt that this thread would exist if everyone trusted Micro$oft. ;)


[Shrug] :-(

I moved over to other system after what I considered to be unholy compromises made for WinXP and the ensuing ongoing malware crapshoot.

For what I see for the move to Win10: Add proprietary tyranny to that!


Are Windows users really so hopelessly trapped and befuddled by the Microsoft Marketing?

Or are computer users just hopelessly trapped and shackled? :-(


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Message 1789090 - Posted: 20 May 2016, 23:52:20 UTC

I don't recall if we decided in this thread to avoid the May 2016 roll-up for 7 or not... I can't find anything inherently wrong with it... but I don't know if I can trust it just yet without doing more research.
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Message 1789193 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 7:55:56 UTC - in response to Message 1789090.  

I don't recall if we decided in this thread to avoid the May 2016 roll-up for 7 or not... I can't find anything inherently wrong with it... but I don't know if I can trust it just yet without doing more research.


I downloaded & used it today on an install for Win7 (w/SP1) and did not find any Win10 "malware" or "telemetry beacons" in it. I think it's OK to use.
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Message 1789226 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:14:16 UTC

I also installed the May 2016 roll-up, seems to be doing, what it claims, no Win 10 fuzz in it - so far. ;)

...but some old fellow in new disguise had to be dismissed again!
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Message 1789228 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:18:38 UTC
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I have had my daily driver on 7 locked down with update disabled for months now.
What, exactly, do I have to do if I wish to bring it up to date with this package without risking any 10 shenanigans?
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Message 1789232 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 1789228.  

I have had my daily driver on 7 locked down with update disabled for months now.
What, exactly, do I have to do if I wish to bring it up to date with this package without risking any 10 shenanigans?

Simply turn on updates, but select the option "search for updates but manually download and install them", also important to DESELECT the option to install "recommended" updates like security updates.

Then simply wait, until windows tells you, there are updates available.

At that time go to the list of updates and compare the numbers to the list of updates to avoid. On every update you do not want to install, do a right click and select "hide". After you have hidden all updates you don't want, click "install" and windows will install only the updates you have not hidden. You'll have to do this on BOTH selections, the security and the optional updates.

Unfortunately you'll have to do this every time again, since M$ often re-releases updates by simply giving them a new version and the hidden updates will show again... :/
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Message 1789234 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:31:18 UTC - in response to Message 1789232.  
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I was under the impression that this package could be a one time manually download and install thingy......
Guess I was wrong.
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Message 1789236 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:34:12 UTC - in response to Message 1789234.  
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I was under the impression that this package could be a one time manually download and install thingy......
Guess I was wrong.
Meowsigh.

If you only want this standalone update, you can download it here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3156417

Goto method 2 and download the version matching your system.
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Message 1789239 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:45:35 UTC - in response to Message 1789236.  

I was under the impression that this package could be a one time manually download and install thingy......
Guess I was wrong.
Meowsigh.

If you only want this standalone update, you can download it here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3156417

Goto method 2 and download the version matching your system.

That is what I was looking at.
No buried 10 nonsense included?
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Message 1789241 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:50:59 UTC - in response to Message 1789239.  

That is what I was looking at.
No buried 10 nonsense included?
Meow?

I got this through windows update, i personally don't know for sure, but didn't find anything wrong with it.
Also GWX_control_panel is happy ever after, but i won't bet my life on it! ;)
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Message 1789331 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 20:23:16 UTC
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I think Woody has given me confidence in this update (he mentions it near the end, after explaining the history of these monthly rollups). For now, it appears that this roll-up only really contains two benign non-security patches. This time. We'll see how the future unfolds on these rollups.
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