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Message 1769102 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 0:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 1762143.  

"updates to avoid", version 7:

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3058168 - This update allows 8.1 Key Management Service (KMS) hosts to upgrade to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7.
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3079821 - Same as KB3058168, but for Windows 7.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3123862 - This update adds capabilities to some computers that lets users easily learn about Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10. (read: "nags you with propaganda until you give-in")
KB 3135445 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - February 2016.
KB 3135449 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - February 2016.
KB 3138612 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - March 2016.
KB 3138615 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - March 2016.

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Message 1769103 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 0:49:09 UTC

2977759, 2952664, and 3035583 have been re-re-[x however many]released, so those are obvious repeat offenders. The new update client for this month is the only legitimately new one that I've seen.

Other than that, I've gone ahead and decided to decline 3063109 in WSUS and on my laptop, as it is not needed at all. It is to improve win7 VMs running on Hyper-V on a win10 host. Therefore, it is not needed if your win7 install is a real install.
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Message 1769216 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 11:48:01 UTC
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Lately it seems, that updates from M$ are >98% only Win10 ad- and malware related. Thank you very much for maintaining this list of untruthful updates from M$!

I'm a windows guy from the beginning, but now i'm exploring LinuxMint: https://linuxmint.com/ with the cinnamon desktop in a VirtualBox.
I have to say, i'm very pleased, everything, including M$ office documents, ran out of the box and every "normal" window$ user should feel at home at once, except for the games. If M$ continues to threat privacy and sovereign control of *MY* PC, i'll finally make the swap.
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Message 1769224 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 12:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 1769216.  
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I'm a windows guy from the beginning, but now i'm exploring LinuxMint: https://linuxmint.com/ with the cinnamon desktop in a VirtualBox.
I have to say, i'm very pleased, everything, including M$ office documents, ran out of the box and every "normal" window$ user should feel at home at once, except for the games. If M$ continues to threat privacy and sovereign control of *MY* PC, i'll finally make the swap.


I've moved... OK... upgraded 5/8 of my farm and personal machines to Mint with one more due soon. So far it's been easy and seamless. I was impressed that it automatically installed WLAN drivers (although watch out for RTL drivers as there's an issue with the built-in ones where they stop working after a short time until a restart... the rest are fine) for multiple USB devices, including USB audio (and onboard), automatically detects and mounts NTFS partitions, and Cinnamon is very easy to adapt to as an interface. Oh and one other hurdle is passed: Netflix now works natively in Linux by installing the latest Chrome... Silverlight is no longer required due to HTML5 support.

My only complaint is setting up network shares/drives... it's (still) terribly overcomplicated. You can create "shares" easily through Cinnamon (uses underlying Samba and creates SMB shares) that then nothing else either Windows or *ux can connect to. I've tried making Samba accounts, setting volume permissions and it just doesn't want to work. I'm also not the only one with this issue. If Linux really wants to go "mainstream" and compete with Windows as a desktop OS, it needs a simple, universal, graphic way of configuring shares that works... this is a basic OS function these days.
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Message 1769267 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 17:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 1769224.  

@Ulrich Metzner & Mr. Kevvy:
Which version do you have installed, and how long have you been using Mint?

I've been researching distros and LinuxMint was in my short list of Win alternatives...until I read this and this. But the most damning indictment came from other members of the free software community in this editorial, specifically, the first sentence after the purple texted paragraph. Comments to this posting submitted by other open source developers are just as scathing.

It's easy to say, "Enough !" regarding Windows. I know because I've said it. But the hard part (for me anyway) is the due diligence given all the flavors of Linux. So, my research continues at distrowatch.com.
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Message 1769286 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 18:10:35 UTC - in response to Message 1769267.  
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17.3 Rosa for a couple of weeks. It was recommended by a friend here, and I went for it because, for someone who last installed Linux nigh two decades ago and gave up on it as unusable, it was easy and comes with most things one needs preinstalled and preconfigured, and makes it very easy with the package manager to add more. This is a Linux to answer those who say that it's still not ready for the desktop because it's too complicated. Anyone who can install Windows can install this... it's even easier because of not requiring W/LAN drivers before connecting to the internet.

There are a pile of security updates available from the update manager (another excellent feature which makes the transition from Windows easier) so they must be addressing the security concerns; I would say that they are (were?) behind only because its popularity exceeded expectations. I don't know if they host their own site so I can't blame them offhand for getting hacked, but I got it from the torrent anyways due to them being cryptographically secure as well as using no provider's bandwidth. I'm not worried... already behind a firewall, don't run as root, don't visit malware-laden sites or install dodgy crap from untrusted sources, installing AdBlock/No-Script is the first thing I do after firing up the Fox.
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Message 1769308 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 19:19:38 UTC - in response to Message 1769224.  

My only complaint is setting up network shares/drives... it's (still) terribly overcomplicated. You can create "shares" easily through Cinnamon (uses underlying Samba and creates SMB shares) that then nothing else either Windows or *ux can connect to. I've tried making Samba accounts, setting volume permissions and it just doesn't want to work.

A few years ago, I was transferring a lot of data back and forth between my main machine (was XP-32 at first, then I moved up to 7-64) and my laptop was running OpenSuse 11.1. I tried SMB shares and it was unreliable at best, and even with gigabit, couldn't get more than about 40mbit and the CPU overhead was nearly 100%.

I dug around and found a third-party NFS server for Windows and got the shares configured that way, and mounted them on the Linux machine. wsize=32768 and rsize=32768, 9K jumboframes on both ends, I was getting 980mbit of throughput with just 6% CPU overhead. AND the Windows networking service was no longer crashing frequently.


Linux is pretty good at a lot of things, but SMB is not one of those things. You'll have better luck using NFS in Windows using third-party tools.

Also, linux is very picky about WLAN drivers. Realtek and Intel-based chips tend to be the most-supported, Broadcom is close behind. One wrinkle in that is that USB-connected seems to be very hit-and-miss as well. If you're planning to move to Linux... do some research on the specific model of WLAN card/device you have and see if it will work. Sometimes you have to use NDISwrapper (uses Windows drivers in Linux), and that can only be done manually with a terminal (command prompt).







Anyway, yeah. You're welcome, all of you, for the list of updates to avoid. As I said, I use WSUS here, and every update has to be approved before it becomes available for the machines to use, so I've got a bit of a safety net to research these things. Others won't be so lucky. I imagine it won't be very long before we'll just have to turn updates off entirely.
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Message 1769408 - Posted: 4 Mar 2016, 4:52:49 UTC

Well, as most of you have gathered from my recent Thread about Hackintosh; I've made my move away from Win OSes to MAC OS X. Just got the last of a few bugs sorted, and now Snow Leopard boots from the hard drive.

I will be working with Snow Leopard for awhile; and might upgrade to El Capitan - maybe... Though, I still plan on upgrading my Win 7 Pro x64 to Win 10 Pro before July. I've prepared by cloning my Win 7 drive so that I won't have to worry about the 28 day reverting issues. If at any point I decide I don't like Win 10 Pro; out comes the Win 10 Pro drive, and in goes the Win 7 Pro clone drive. ...And, MAC OS X will continue residing on its dedicated hard drive. :-)


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P.S. Looking forward to getting working MAC OS X drivers installed for the GTX-750 TI SC; maybe when I get that done, I can take Snow Leopard to SETI Beta to get more MAC Units processed and evaluated.

MAC GPU support seems to be dragging here. Perhaps it hasn't been a priority, or maybe there's MAC OS issues that Eric and crew need to iron out before bringing MAC GPU support to Main. Now that I have a running MAC OS, I'd like to help out in that regard to hopefully see MAC OS X GPU support here at SETI Main. :-)


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Message 1769459 - Posted: 4 Mar 2016, 10:41:57 UTC - in response to Message 1769267.  

@Ulrich Metzner & Mr. Kevvy:
Which version do you have installed, and how long have you been using Mint?

I've been researching distros and LinuxMint was in my short list of Win alternatives...until I read this and this. But the most damning indictment came from other members of the free software community in this editorial, specifically, the first sentence after the purple texted paragraph. Comments to this posting submitted by other open source developers are just as scathing.

It's easy to say, "Enough !" regarding Windows. I know because I've said it. But the hard part (for me anyway) is the due diligence given all the flavors of Linux. So, my research continues at distrowatch.com.

Same as Mr. Kevvy: 17.3 Rosa Cinnamon Edition for about 3 weeks now. There were a couple of updates coming in, nearly on a daily basis. 10 Minutes after system start it starts looking for updates and repeats this every 2 hours. This behavior is configurable via GUI. I have still not decided, which distro to use, so i'm open to alternatives, although LinuxMint was the smoothest experience of all so far.
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Message 1769468 - Posted: 4 Mar 2016, 12:26:54 UTC

@Cosmic_Ocean: Yup I ran into the RTL issue with Mint's default drivers... they last about 15 mins. then need a reboot. Not good for the 2GB apt-get of CUDA!

I tried NFS, but I couldn't get it working either. One of my favourite sites for easy walkthroughs (HowToGeek) came up in my Google results for Samba, so I tried this article and finally the shares appeared and they work perfectly. I finally ran a backup and it was at least as fast as doing so over a Windows share before.

Also ran into my 64GB USB flash drive not mounting. This was solved easily by installing exfat-fuse and exfat-utils; didn't need a reboot and it then mounted and could read/write.
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Message 1769712 - Posted: 5 Mar 2016, 14:08:56 UTC

A NEW twist?

When booting my daily driver this morning, after a couple of minutes a blue band covered my screen with the admonition that "Windows Update needs your help. We haven't been able to check for updates in 30 days."

That's right! You haven't! (And guess what, you ain't gonna!!)

Fighting evil is a never ending task........":}]

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Message 1769833 - Posted: 5 Mar 2016, 19:42:04 UTC - in response to Message 1769712.  

When booting my daily driver this morning, after a couple of minutes a blue band covered my screen with the admonition that "Windows Update needs your help. We haven't been able to check for updates in 30 days."

That's right! You haven't! (And guess what, you ain't gonna!!)

Fighting evil is a never ending task........":}]

Next is the black desktop of a not-genuine copy of windows, er can't verify the license.
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Message 1770072 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 19:30:20 UTC

Advice needed.....

A close GF in the U.K. sent me the following. I told her about SETI, and this group. Can anyone suggest HOW she might proceed to resolve her Win 10 problems? I will forward any response to her.

"Once again I have had no end of problems with Windows 10, I even re-formatted my HD and installed Windows 8.1 but yet again, it was automatically upgraded to Win 10 hopefully this time (3rd time lucky!!!) it will be ok - so far so good. The pain-in-the-arse is having to re-install all my software and printer/scanner again."

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Message 1770073 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 19:46:02 UTC - in response to Message 1770072.  

Advice needed.....

A close GF in the U.K. sent me the following. I told her about SETI, and this group. Can anyone suggest HOW she might proceed to resolve her Win 10 problems? I will forward any response to her.

"Once again I have had no end of problems with Windows 10, I even re-formatted my HD and installed Windows 8.1 but yet again, it was automatically upgraded to Win 10 hopefully this time (3rd time lucky!!!) it will be ok - so far so good. The pain-in-the-arse is having to re-install all my software and printer/scanner again."

Thank you!

Greetings Linda,

I'm not running that malware known as Window$ 10 ;), but I did check it out last year and had many problems reverting back to Win7.

The first thing I would have her do, if she has to reinstall 8 again, is put a stop to Window$ updates. I'm not saying turn them off, just turn off automatic updates. That will stop Window$ 10 from taking over the machine.

Do you have a list of the KB's that should be blocked? If so have her do the updates manually and uncheck the KB's on the list. There's also a batch file running around here that can be run to make sure some do not slip by "unnoticed". I have an updated one if you want it.

That should be a start. If she wants Window$ 10, however, I haven't a clue about what to do with any problems there. Sorry. :(

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Message 1770076 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 19:53:05 UTC
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“Universal Windows Platform can, should, must, and will die”

In case any of you missed it, here is a link all about M$ Win 10 effort to, IMHO, "take over the world."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/tim-sweeney-to-microsoft-universal-windows-platform-can-should-must-and-will-die/

Geez, huh?
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Message 1770078 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 20:00:41 UTC - in response to Message 1770076.  
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Thank you, and THANK YOU, CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr !!!

I forwarded your post to her in the U.K. I have done what you suggested to my Win 7 PC some time back. However, I didn't mention that to her as I didn't know if she was a "casual PC User" like many are, or not. But, since she mentioned she has the wherewithal to re-install Win 8.1 she is a lot more knowledgeable than I realized. Good for her! :)

THANK YOU again.....
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Message 1770080 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 20:15:25 UTC - in response to Message 1770076.  

“Universal Windows Platform can, should, must, and will die”

In case any of you missed it, here is a link all about M$ Win 10 effort to, IMHO, "take over the world."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/tim-sweeney-to-microsoft-universal-windows-platform-can-should-must-and-will-die/

Geez, huh?

Hi Linda,

I fixed the URL. The 'h' was outside the [url] [/url].

Keep on BOINCing...! :)
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Message 1770091 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 20:59:58 UTC - in response to Message 1770072.  

Advice needed.....
"Once again I have had no end of problems with Windows 10, I even re-formatted my HD and installed Windows 8.1 but yet again, it was automatically upgraded to Win 10 hopefully this time (3rd time lucky!!!) it will be ok - so far so good. The pain-in-the-arse is having to re-install all my software and printer/scanner again."

Thank you!

One thing that wasn't clear in the quote/problem is: does she want 10 in the first place, or would she prefer to stay on 8.1?

If she wants to stay on 8.1:
Solution: When going back to 8.1, set Windows Update to "check for updates, but let me choose what to download and install" rather than leaving it on the default of fully automatic. This will allow you to search through the available updates for these updates to avoid and to right-click > Hide Update for all the red and green ones. That will keep it from getting 10 again, and also keep 8.1 from getting the nagware about getting 10. Note: I know trying to find these KB numbers in a list of updates that is well over 200 long can seem daunting, but every single one of these updates starts with a title of "Update for.." rather than "Security Update for..". That narrows the search area down considerably. Also note that some are going to be 'important' updates, and some are going to be 'optional' updates, so there's two categories to search through.


Staying on 10:
Getting older printers to work in 10 is roulette. Google the model number and "windows 10" to see if there are solutions to get it to work. For the most part, getting the drivers via Windows Update has the best chance of basic functionality (printing, without fancy features like duplexing, etc), but if it is a multi-function printer, you likely won't be able to do the scanning part without the manufacturer's software suite, and that all depends on if the manufacturer has made a version of their software that works in 10.
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Message 1770106 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 21:59:21 UTC

Greetings,

Gotta question about Window$ 10 for those running it anyway.

Is anyone having a problem with an update that came out on Wednesday March 2? Here's why I ask:

A friend of mine is running 10 and he has been having nothing but problems since Wednesday. Just now, while we were in voice chat, his PC rebooted out of the blue. He has Window$ update schedule a reboot instead of just rebooting when it wants to.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

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Message 1770123 - Posted: 6 Mar 2016, 22:49:16 UTC - in response to Message 1770106.  

Hi Cosmic! She wants to stay on 8.1. Sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. :) My Alzheeeeeeeeemers, perhaps?
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