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Message 1761732 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 0:28:39 UTC - in response to Message 1761728.  

I just caught this one a little while ago(kb3135445) installed a new monitor and after start up went to windows update and it showed up in optional updates(for now) glad to know that all of us are watching. Cosmic ocean's list is a great help since I have 3 machines of my own to watch over and I also keep an eye on my in-laws computer as well and I have given the list to several people I work with to help them as well.
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Message 1761744 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 1:59:48 UTC - in response to Message 1761728.  

Next one is out, kb3135445.

Another one to make certain that never installs on your machine.

Also kb2952664 is back once again for the xnth time.

Both are optional.

Noted. I'll add 3135445 to the list, once I figure out what the win8 equivalent is. That particular update comes in pairs, every time.
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Message 1761747 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 2:02:59 UTC
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Still haven't worked out how I completely broke windows update on my Win7, main dev host, but it's running awesome :D
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Message 1761757 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 3:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 1761747.  

Still haven't worked out how I completely broke windows update on my Win7, main dev host, but it's running awesome :D

Did you disable wuauserv?
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Message 1761760 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 3:16:59 UTC - in response to Message 1761757.  

I did at one point, though reenabling didn't 'fix' it at soem point. Seems like m$ tied themselves in knots trying to screw me for whatever.
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Message 1761786 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 5:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 1761744.  

Next one is out, kb3135445.

Another one to make certain that never installs on your machine.

Also kb2952664 is back once again for the xnth time.

Both are optional.

Noted. I'll add 3135445 to the list, once I figure out what the win8 equivalent is. That particular update comes in pairs, every time.


That would be this one. kb3135449

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Message 1761836 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 8:51:04 UTC

Well GWX works a treat. M$ in their wisdom gave me 64 updates last night, just logged on & it's little icon popped back on...

...Sorry M$ 01/02/17 this rig will be in "MINT" condition :-)
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Message 1761903 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 14:36:02 UTC

Saw on social media this morning exactly what you all already know: Windows 10 is now being slipped into the Windows Update higher recommended download/install list. I find this type of pushing of said OS update bogus on Microsoft's part; had I not caught the info this morning and then read this thread, based on my Windows Update settings I would have undoubtedly had Windows 10 installed without my knowledge. I have since changed my settings.

Thank you guys. You are much appreciated.
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Message 1761919 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 15:21:39 UTC - in response to Message 1761903.  

...I would have undoubtedly had Windows 10 installed without my knowledge.

No, that's not possible. Updating to Windows 10 does require some key presses and agreement with EULA's still. What the update will do though is download and start, then go wait for you to wake up and log on, before telling you that the installation process is ready to start. Not sure if at this point there is the option to cancel, though.

But then, if you say No to the EULA, the installation will fail anyway.
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Message 1761924 - Posted: 3 Feb 2016, 15:29:17 UTC - in response to Message 1761919.  

...I would have undoubtedly had Windows 10 installed without my knowledge.

No, that's not possible. Updating to Windows 10 does require some key presses and agreement with EULA's still. What the update will do though is download and start, then go wait for you to wake up and log on, before telling you that the installation process is ready to start. Not sure if at this point there is the option to cancel, though.

But then, if you say No to the EULA, the installation will fail anyway.


I stand corrected. Thanks, Ageless.
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Message 1762035 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 1:05:12 UTC

More Optional updates for Windows 7:
- 3123862 is the more aggressive Windows 10 advertiser that download Windows 10 through Windows Update: Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7.
- 3135445 (as already pointed out by arkayn) which applies to Windows Server too, may look like just a simple update to Windows Update, but I wouldn't prod it with a stick.
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Message 1762050 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 2:14:51 UTC

Thanks for the 'heads up' on the GWX Control Panel, reviews are correct, works like a dream. And thanks Jord for the suggestion:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD: DisableOSUpgrade, value: 1

I'm always nervous poking around in the registry, but everything seems to be still working after the value change from 0 to 1.....":}

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Message 1762069 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 3:00:50 UTC

"updates to avoid", version 6:

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3058168 - This update allows 8.1 Key Management Service (KMS) hosts to upgrade to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7.
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3079821 - Same as KB3058168, but for Windows 7.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3123162 - This update adds capabilities to some computers that lets users easily learn about Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10. (read: "nags you with propaganda until you give-in")
KB 3135445 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - February 2016.
KB 3135449 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - February 2016.

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Message 1762070 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 3:06:56 UTC
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Thank you to those who contributed KB numbers. This is a team effort, after all.

I did finally find the update for win7 KMS hosts (these things usually come in pairs). Had to do some google searching and read through some technet articles to finally find it, so that one has been added to the list, as well.

The changes to this list since version 5 include:

KB 3058168
KB 3079821
KB 3123162
KB 3135445
KB 3135449

[edit: I think I have everything listed. I read through this thread since the v5 post and found what has been mentioned since. There was that one thread over on... overclockers(?), but that one seems to be a little overzealous and includes much more than it probably should. This list is focused on not having telemetry and spying features added to 7/8.1, but also not participating in the push to 10. That list from overclockers includes all the optional updates for things like Time Zone changes and currency symbol changes and so forth, as well.]


(aside: it was entirely unintentional that the colors ended up being a symmetrical pattern for what was added since the last iteration.)
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Message 1762075 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 3:30:57 UTC - in response to Message 1762070.  

Thank you for all of your work keeping this list up to date it is a GREAT HELP I know that all of us are watching because of your list and our desire to thwart M$. So thanks again for all of your help.
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Message 1762095 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 4:51:03 UTC - in response to Message 1762077.  

This one KB 3123162 has the wrong number. It does not exist.

Should be KB 3123862

Crap. Stupid typos. I'll ask a mod to fix it.

Thanks for catching it.
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Message 1762105 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 5:54:14 UTC - in response to Message 1762095.  

This one KB 3123162 has the wrong number. It does not exist.

Should be KB 3123862

Crap. Stupid typos. I'll ask a mod to fix it.

Thanks for catching it.



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Message 1762142 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 8:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 1762105.  

This one KB 3123162 has the wrong number. It does not exist.

Should be KB 3123862

Crap. Stupid typos. I'll ask a mod to fix it.

Thanks for catching it.



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Really? I thought you guys could edit them, too. Hm. Guess I'll fix it and re-post. Thanks anyway.
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Message 1762143 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 8:47:38 UTC

"updates to avoid", version 6.2 (corrected a mis-typed KB #):

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3058168 - This update allows 8.1 Key Management Service (KMS) hosts to upgrade to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7.
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3079821 - Same as KB3058168, but for Windows 7.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3123862 - This update adds capabilities to some computers that lets users easily learn about Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10. (read: "nags you with propaganda until you give-in")
KB 3135445 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - February 2016.
KB 3135449 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - February 2016.

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Message 1762241 - Posted: 4 Feb 2016, 17:48:58 UTC

Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than hitting a close box on a advert once a day, and unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?
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