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Message 1759796 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 21:38:00 UTC

Linda,

there is no possibility, that I am aware of, that the removal batch file would cause your problem. The only thing it accomplishes is the removal of the updates that were already installed that relate to the Window$ 10 update. If these problems occurred after running the batch file, there must have been a preexisting problem, possibly corruption of files as alluded to by Rasputin.

Files become corrupted from a myriad of reasons. Including improper shutdown of the system such as pulling the plug. Sorry you are experiencing these issues. If other suggestions don't work I would suggest you backup ALL of the personal files and settings you wish to preserve and then do a nondestructive Window$ 7 repair. This has given me mixed results over the years, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't depending on the extent of the corruption. The backup of files is in case you need to move to a system restore in which case you will have to reinstall your programs, settings and files afterward(hopefully that will not be necessary).

If your system is working again I wouldn't mess with it. But once again I would stress that the batch file won't affect anything except the Win10 updates. It is the same as removing each one at a time manually.

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Message 1759799 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 21:47:07 UTC - in response to Message 1759769.  

I can understand that.
However, this SFC is an integrity checker and does not remove anything.
It scans, if win 7 is working ok and not corrupted.

Being corrupt may have caused the mess.

I run it once per month or so, just to be on the save side.


If it is working right now, then fine.


There are cautionary remarks regarding some of the M$ 'bad update" files on this page http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1538-sfc-scannow-command-system-file-checker.html

3 files mentioned are: KB3022345, KB3035583, and KB3068708 These 3 are on the 'bad update' list for Win 7/8. However it does say: You can safely ignore these results in your SFC details since it will not affect SFC from being able to repair other system files.

Will anything on that URL hurt me more or cause SFC not to work properly?

Thank you!
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Message 1759802 - Posted: 27 Jan 2016, 22:00:52 UTC
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I would just run it and see.
If there is anything reported other than these 3 KBs, let us know.
It may take anything from 10 to maybe 30 min to run, depending on what it finds.
Let it finish, even if it takes longer.

Then we take the next steps, if necessary.
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Message 1759955 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 9:07:35 UTC
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End of game?
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/skylake-users-given-18-months-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/

Next generation processors, including Intel's "Kaby Lake", Qualcomm's 8996 (branded as Snapdragon 820), and AMD's "Bristol Ridge" APUs (which will use the company's Excavator architecture, not its brand new Zen arch) will only be supported on Windows 10. Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system.
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Message 1759957 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 9:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 1759955.  

I don't think that represents any great change. I've always been in favour of running older hardware under the operating system that was current when the hardware was new: conversely, of getting a new operating system when moving up to newer hardware.

Hopefully, in 18 months time, both Skylake (plus the associated BIOS/microcode patches), and Windows 10, will have shaken down into versions that we can live with until the next generation of change is forced upon us by the usual processes of innovation and obsolescence.
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Message 1760020 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 15:42:59 UTC - in response to Message 1759799.  
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I can understand that.
However, this SFC is an integrity checker and does not remove anything.
It scans, if win 7 is working ok and not corrupted.

Being corrupt may have caused the mess.

I run it once per month or so, just to be on the save side.


If it is working right now, then fine.


There are cautionary remarks regarding some of the M$ 'bad update" files on this page http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1538-sfc-scannow-command-system-file-checker.html

3 files mentioned are: KB3022345, KB3035583, and KB3068708 These 3 are on the 'bad update' list for Win 7/8. However it does say: You can safely ignore these results in your SFC details since it will not affect SFC from being able to repair other system files.

Will anything on that URL hurt me more or cause SFC not to work properly?

Thank you!


Gosh, I sure appreciate your well-intentioned thoughts on the problem I experienced trying to remove M$ "bad updates."

At this point in time all appears 'well' with my Win 7 64-bit PC. Everything is working. I did have to remove/replace the Windows Virtual PC product and the Windows Virtual XP one tho. No fun, but I did it and it works again. I can run graphics intensive XP programs inside a window in Win 7 whereas, since they are written in Borland Turbo Basic, they will not run in Win 7.

Since no more 'boogeymen' have popped out of a circuit board and I see little or no smoke, I'm inclined to follow my engineering training which says: "if it works, don't fix it."

I can't help but remember the failure of a NASA Mars lander in recent years. The people at NASA are, for the most part, high level scientists and engineers. But, given that, half of them did their calculations using the English system, and the other half used Metric. :) Remember the outcome? I might add, in jest, that I've heard that NASA has developed a new laxative for space travelers. It's called "All Systems GO." :)

I think the programmers at M$ may not be as esteemed as NASA's and can easily 'screw' up from time to time? Fred may not talk to Joe, or Mary to Linda, so 'poop happens' as a result. After all, if M$ programmers were so good, WHY do they send out updates if not to correct errors? :)

I have not found a post in this group of anyone having their PC destroyed by removing 'bad updates' nor have I found a post of anyone else here, besides me, who use Windows Virtual PC. I suspect a "NASA-like" screw up in the interface between the M$ "remove update" code and the Virtual PC code. How else to explain what happened to me? I can't prove it but it seems a theoretical possibility.

Here is an error message I received that tends to support my premise:

I have used ScanDisk in XP PC's for years with no problems; it worked well. When I tried to run it in Win XP running inside Win 7, I rcv'd the following error message:

"The disk check could not be performed because the disk check utility needs exclusive access to some Windows files on the disk. These files can be accessed only by restarting Windows. Do you want to schedule this disk check to occur the next time you restart the computer?"

The above is then saying to me: the ScanDisk program in Win XP can't just run by itself inside the XP window; it needs access to the Win 7 OS code to work. Is this a logical assumption or am I in error?

It is, I think, unlikely that sfc /scannow may fail due to an integration problem with the Windows Virtual PC code, but, who knows? It might. The thought worries me. For this reason I will hold off on running sfc /scannow until & if I experience further problems caused by the M$ "update removal" problem. I'm a proponent of the "once bitten, twice shy" philosophy. :)

Thank each and everyone of you kind and caring people for your concern and help. :) I will cross my fingers and toes.
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Message 1760037 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 16:35:58 UTC

Hi All,

Since this groups main title is "Number Crunching" may I ask a crunching question?

Since joining SETI about 6 months ago, and running my PC 24/7, I've seen myself crunching 100s of small files, some taking 3 to 4 hours.

Now, all of a sudden, I'm crunching a HUGE monster with a length of about 44 hours. Perhaps it has to do with the creation of the universe, I dunno?

At the top of my Boinc Manager screen I see "AstroPulse v7" listed. What on earth IS it? Why is it SO big?

All is fine, I'm just curious, and, after all this time, why me?

Thank you.. :)
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Message 1760038 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 16:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 1760020.  

The above is then saying to me: the ScanDisk program in Win XP can't just run by itself inside the XP window; it needs access to the Win 7 OS code to work. Is this a logical assumption or am I in error?


If you want to do a disk check use windows7 and not the "simulated xp".
XP does not "see" the complete hard disk.
Win7 is the host OS.
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Message 1760040 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 16:54:48 UTC - in response to Message 1760037.  

(...)
At the top of my Boinc Manager screen I see "AstroPulse v7" listed. What on earth IS it? Why is it SO big?
(...)

Consider yourself lucky! You got one of the "rare" Astropulse workunits. They are a lot larger and take way longer to crunch than standard Multibeam workunits, but they "pay" better in getting more cobblestones per CPU time. ;)
Aloha, Uli

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Message 1760047 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 17:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 1760040.  

(...)
At the top of my Boinc Manager screen I see "AstroPulse v7" listed. What on earth IS it? Why is it SO big?
(...)

Consider yourself lucky! You got one of the "rare" Astropulse workunits. They are a lot larger and take way longer to crunch than standard Multibeam workunits, but they "pay" better in getting more cobblestones per CPU time. ;)


Yay! Yay! Does that mean I get a free pizza, or a cup of moche at Starbucks? Oh googie, goodie. <giggles>
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Message 1760057 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 17:47:57 UTC - in response to Message 1760047.  

Yay! Yay! Does that mean I get a free pizza, or a cup of moche at Starbucks? Oh googie, goodie. <giggles>

No no, if anything, you'll only get a toaster!
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Message 1760060 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 17:56:35 UTC - in response to Message 1760057.  

Yay! Yay! Does that mean I get a free pizza, or a cup of moche at Starbucks? Oh googie, goodie. <giggles>

No no, if anything, you'll only get a toaster!
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Chase the kitties for that Seti toaster, they haven't been sent THEIRS yet....LOL.
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Message 1760065 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 18:15:47 UTC

No no, if anything, you'll only get a toaster!


Unfortunately, it's the Window$ 'Flying Toaster'. It doesn't toast, just uses resources on 3.1...";)>


"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1760081 - Posted: 28 Jan 2016, 19:48:23 UTC
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I have not read all here.

But the fact is that if you want to upgrade an existing operating system, at least when it comes to a version, such a thing has to be done either by means of installation discs, typically CD or DVD.

Doing your regular things or business, possibly you will not take the time to check out things that might be available.

Should certain things from Microsoft perhaps come your way and become installed on your computer each time you finish a session and next do a restart of the computer?

Or could such a thing be happening by means of a blue screen, which forces the system down in order to be restarted?

The only way to check out which components are being installed is by opening up the Control Panel and selecting Applications or Programs.

Also the updates belonging to an anti-virus package might force a restart of the computer, which should better be done with the user knowing this fact.

If updates are being automatically selected as an option, most likely a completely new version will not be installed unless you specifically ask for it or are being offered the option to do so.

There should be no secret that Microsoft has made a good earning from their products. Therefore they are offering several things for free while still charging some other products, including at least the Office package.

This is the reason why I am still running Windows 7 Ultimate.

In fact it is not even a Service Pack version if one such should be available.

Therefore, if I should choose to upgrade to Windows 10, I would most likely have to do such a thing myself.

Whether or not such a thing comes for free, such an upgrade would take quite a while to complete and most likely other applications would start complaining or making a noise when doing such a thing.

Also things could end up going wrong when doing this. Typically one thing is supposed to come before another, but the fact is that there should be no point updating your virus definitions before upgrading the operating system.

If doing such a thing, this will be the next thing that needs to be done, regardless of what you already chose to do.
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Message 1760236 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 4:52:48 UTC

I'll stick with XP and the flying toasters.
One should eventually be sent to me with a Seti logo on it............
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Message 1760292 - Posted: 29 Jan 2016, 9:17:14 UTC

In 2014 I bought a HP PC with Windows 8 installed, no disk. Then it was updated to 8.1, then to Windows 10, always no disk. I made a backup of Windows 8, could not do it on 8.1. When Windows 10 arrived, thanks to Microsoft, I made a repair DVD disk and used it once. Now I have a 1 TB external USB disk and made a full backup on it.
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Message 1761212 - Posted: 1 Feb 2016, 4:17:39 UTC

Windows 10 to Scan User Emails

Windows virtual assistant Cortana will soon step up scanning of emails by default, in order to make Cortana more useful. Whether its an improvement or a sign of creepiness on Microsoft's part is up for debate. The announcement comes almost 3 years to the date, where Microsoft publicly launched a campaign named "Don't get scroogled by Gmail." In that campaign, Microsoft complained that Google's email scanning practice was unjust.


#JustSayNoToWindows10
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Message 1761213 - Posted: 1 Feb 2016, 4:22:12 UTC - in response to Message 1761212.  
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Not a big surprise really, after the hack attempts on my main development machine (Win7). Coudl have been better ways to coax me to Win10, and now they decide to make an enemy.... Top move m$
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Message 1761288 - Posted: 1 Feb 2016, 10:50:03 UTC
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Just checking my e-mails as not done so for a few weeks :-) Got this: -

Windows 10 Will be automatically installed on most Win 7 & Win 8.1 systems next year says MS - Really? HELLO Linux!

MS details how to block Win 10 Update

Win 10 block options

Edit: -

Some folks might like this...

GWX Control Panel

GWX CP Guide

Edit 2: Lovely little program. 30 secs + reboot , system now more responsive :-)
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Message 1761289 - Posted: 1 Feb 2016, 10:55:43 UTC - in response to Message 1761288.  

Yeah, good luck with that m$. No doubts they'll incorporate the majority, but to get that they sacrifice the public trust, and good will. Is it worth it to them ? Obviously they think so.
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