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Message 1757110 - Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 15:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 1757102.  

More news you didn't want. People buying new hardware, more precisely the new CPUs from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm, but also GPUs from Intel, AMD and Nvidia, should know that soon their hardware is only fully supported under Windows 10.

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Greetings,

I can hear it now...

In an undisclosed backroom at CES with the bigwigs of all major hardware companies in attendance and Micro$oft at the podium:

MICRO$OFT: Listen people, we're having one hell of a time in getting Window$ 10 on every computing device in the universe. We need your help. We demand that you design your next generation hardware to support Window$ 10 ONLY and to hinder the use of older Window$ to the point that people will just throw in the towel and accept Window$ 10. We will send you kickbacks from the subscription fees we collect from everyone for the continued use of Window$ 10. This will be a lucrative venture for all involved.

DISCLAIMER: The above scenario is pure fiction and any similarity to actual events is purely coincidental.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)
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Message 1757275 - Posted: 18 Jan 2016, 7:10:52 UTC

Windows 10 Upgrade – Free is too expensive?

It's a bizarre situation: Microsoft offers a free upgrade to the latest operating system to its users - and they just say no! Or more precisely: They do upgrade but not in droves as Microsoft had planned. Windows 10 was supposed to run on more than one billion computers soon, that was the goal. At the beginning of 2016, roughly 200 million have installed it. And then Yang Yuanqing, Lenovo's current CEO who used to be a reliable ally, made the situation worse by openly criticizing the many issues especially users of older machines were facing with Windows 10. But Windows 10 still has a lot to offer and runs, to sum up the many tests, quite smoothly. Read on to learn about what you can expect from Windows 10, who really needs the new operating system and what risks are involved!

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Message 1757277 - Posted: 18 Jan 2016, 7:27:40 UTC

Call me an old fart....call me whatever.
But my daily driver is on 7. Updates disabled.
And shall remain so until it is absolutely necessary that I do something else.
My anti virus is up to date and that should, along with my router firewall, and some common sense in not clicking on unknown email attachments, allow me to continue unperturbed by MS's intrusions.

My other 8 crunch-rigs are still on XP. That may start to get more problematic depending on the minimum NV driver revisions required by the new Lunatics v8 installer. Won't know that until it is released.
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Message 1757315 - Posted: 18 Jan 2016, 14:17:01 UTC

The unconscionable attitude of Micro$oft has everything to do with greed rather than technological advancement. The collusion of hardware vendors revealed at the CES is monopolization writ bold!

Imagine the antitrust charges that would follow a meeting in which BP and the major automobile makers agreed that all future cars would be designed to only run on BP gasoline.

So what's the difference?

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Message 1757376 - Posted: 19 Jan 2016, 0:50:53 UTC - in response to Message 1757277.  

Call me an old fart....call me whatever.
But my daily driver is on 7. Updates disabled.
And shall remain so until it is absolutely necessary that I do something else.
My anti virus is up to date and that should, along with my router firewall, and some common sense in not clicking on unknown email attachments, allow me to continue unperturbed by MS's intrusions.

My other 8 crunch-rigs are still on XP. That may start to get more problematic depending on the minimum NV driver revisions required by the new Lunatics v8 installer. Won't know that until it is released.


CUDA apps will keep the v7 requirements.

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Message 1757383 - Posted: 19 Jan 2016, 1:54:11 UTC

I started with an Atari 400 w/two upgrades, 48K ram and an aftermarket keyboard, I think the fastest rs-232 modem that I had was a 28800 baud modem(I had to use to use an Atari 850 interface to do so, since the SIO(Serial Input Output) bus is an Atari designed 13pin interface), like the US Robotics below:


Viruses, Trojans and Worms?

On an 8bit computer?

Seriously?

Sure it probably could be done, if one wanted to program the thing in Machine Language...
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Message 1758780 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 20:30:01 UTC

I'm embarrassed. :) After searching hi/lo on my win 7 64 bit to find a page of updates having check marks so I could choose to update or not update things, I took a screen shot for posterity.

Unfortunately I didn't take a pic of the ENTIRE page so I can't see the PATH to the update page that has the check marks. :( I now can't find it. The page has been swallowed up by a black hole, perhaps? :)

Can anyone give me the full path starting with 'click the windows icon in the lower left, dummy' then click CONTROL PANEL / YADA / YADA............. ??

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Message 1758783 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 20:37:19 UTC - in response to Message 1758780.  

Start->All Programs->Windows Update. It's one of the options at the top of the menu, before the folders of programs you installed.
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Message 1758786 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 20:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 1758780.  

Try 'Control Panel, Windows Update' - I think that's the one that opens automatically when something needs installing.

Then, 'View Update History' - left-hand pane, line 4

Then, 'See Installed Updates' - top pane, end of second line.

I suggest you right-click on the column header line (Name, Program, Version, ...), which offers you more columns to display: choose 'More:', and - almost at the very bottom - check 'Update ID'.

You can click on the header for the new Update ID column, and sort them into order - that makes the dodgy ones easier to find.

If you uninstall those, they'll come back again like bad pennies at the next Windows Update check - and that's when you get the checkboxes which allow you to let them (re-)install themselves, or not.
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Message 1758794 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 20:58:22 UTC - in response to Message 1758783.  

Start->All Programs->Windows Update. It's one of the options at the top of the menu, before the folders of programs you installed.


THANK YOU !! BLESS YOU !!

that DID IT! It went straight to the correct page and said "Download and install updates on your computer" YAY :)

The first time I found it was by the following: Start / Control Panel / System and Security / and then many more clicks and clicks till I stumbled on it.

YOUR way is MUCH faster, just 3 steps!

Huggs & Kisses :)
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Message 1758796 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 21:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 1758786.  

Try 'Control Panel, Windows Update' - I think that's the one that opens automatically when something needs installing.

Then, 'View Update History' - left-hand pane, line 4

Then, 'See Installed Updates' - top pane, end of second line.

I suggest you right-click on the column header line (Name, Program, Version, ...), which offers you more columns to display: choose 'More:', and - almost at the very bottom - check 'Update ID'.

You can click on the header for the new Update ID column, and sort them into order - that makes the dodgy ones easier to find.

If you uninstall those, they'll come back again like bad pennies at the next Windows Update check - and that's when you get the checkboxes which allow you to let them (re-)install themselves, or not.


THANK YOU !!!!!!! I found it using the '3-step' in the previous reply. Your info adds add'l useful info and I appreciate it !!!!!!!!!!
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Message 1758822 - Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 22:21:57 UTC

M$'s favorite trick when upgrading Window$ versions is hiding the system controls in different locations. And as always there are multiple paths to get there.

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1758865 - Posted: 24 Jan 2016, 0:13:37 UTC - in response to Message 1758796.  
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Good evening just one other thing as far as updates you do NEED to check cosmic ocean's list of updates to avoid to stay away from win 10 and M$ trying to take control of your computer.
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Message 1758928 - Posted: 24 Jan 2016, 3:00:30 UTC
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It is strongly recommended to change the update settings over to "check for updates, but let me choose whether to download and install." Then cross-reference with updates to avoid (v5) to uncheck and hide any of those that show up, and then research the rest. This way you can still be safe by getting updates, but have control over not having 10 forced upon you. It is, of course, easier to just turn updates off entirely, but that is not as safe.

As was mentioned elsewhere in this thread along the way, here's how to distinguish which ones are suspect:

If the update name starts with:

"Security Update for..." - 99.9999% of the time, these are safe.
"Update for..." - every update in the above list all started with this string.

I research the KB numbers of every update that starts with "Update for..." and then decide from there if it can be trusted or not.
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Message 1759106 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 0:01:10 UTC

"FAILURE CONFIGURING WINDOWS UPDATE - REVERTING" Win 7 Screen Msg

I bought a Win 7 Pro 64-bit PC from HP last July. About that same time I found SETI and this group. I began following the comments about Win 10 and Microsoft's 'forced' up-grade attempts aimed at Win 7/8 Users.

Skip ahead in time to TODAY, 1-24-16

Clicking Start / All Programs / Windows Update showed a list of waiting updates. I had 39 important and 13 optional listed.

I unchecked ALL boxes on the update page and then re-selected those having to do with Microsoft Office 2003; there were THREE updates listed. All 3 downloaded and installed fine.

On the Windows Update page the "Most recent check for updates:" was marked "Today at 12:17 PM", and the "Updates were installed:" line, the next one down, was marked "Today at 11:44 AM. View update history."

So far so good. Now to uninstall the bad updates I might have:

I reviewed the group posting Message 1750074 - Posted: 18 December 2015 and decided to check what updates marked in BLUE for Win 7 had been already installed on my PC by HP.

I went thru the list dated 18 December 2015 and found all the BLUE updates EXCEPT for KB 3112343, the last BLUE one on the list.

I found where to click to uninstall updates and proceeded. After selecting the first 3, KB 2952664, KB 2977759, and KB 2990214, ONE at a time, and waiting for each to finish, I got a msg saying: "You must reboot." I clicked OK, and the re-boot took 3 to 4 minutes before I got my normal desktop back. All seemed fine.

I then selected the next 3 on the 18 December 2015 list. One at a time I uninstalled KB 3021917, KB 3050765, and KB 3065987 waiting for each to finish. After this last one I again got a msg saying: "You must reboot." I clicked OK.

I had a light blue re-boot type screen with 2 lines of text. One said "Preparing to configure windows." and the 2nd line said "Do not turn off your computer." there was a small revolving circle on the left.

OK, I waited, and then waited more, 3 or 4 minutes passed as it had for my first 3 update removal re-boot. Then 30 minutes passed, then 45... OMG, are we stuck in an "endless do loop" (to use an old DOS programmer quip). How long DO you wait? Is this NORMAL? When does "Do not turn off..." cease to have meaning? Finally, after nearly 1 hour, the re-boot showed signs of life rather than impending doom as my new PC transitioned into "Nova" mode and melted down. Oh, oh, my error! A message now popped up on the blue re-boot screen. It said: "Failure configuring Windows update. Reverting." OMG, now what? Finally, after the above, my normal desktop was back. WHAT now?

GEEZ !! One hour for just 3 up-date removals? Has Microsoft sent out an 'update' that seeks to see if Users are uninstalling CERTAIN files marked on the 18 December 2015 list? It kinda LOOKS like it. I hope I'm not paranoid but ONE HOUR to reboot makes me wonder. How about you?

I went back to the BEGINNING. I Clicked "Start / All Programs / Windows Update" as I had when I first started all this. NOTHING. That string no longer brought up the page that is titled "Windows Update" that had a box saying "Download and install updates for your computer." When I first started this I got that page easily and it had said "39 important and 13 optional" updates are available.

I was able to again find the page using Start / Control Panel / System and Security / Windows Update but some serious changes had occurred.

Now the Windows Update page list of important and optional updates said nothing. Before all this I had 39 important and 13 optional listed.

The line "Most recent check for updates:" said NEVER and the 2nd line "Updates were installed" said NEVER.

I clicked on "Check for updates" and, after about 10 to 15 minutes was told I had 51 important and 14 optional updates available now. Wheras I originally had and downloaded 3 updates For Microsoft Office 2003, I now had 29 available? The two update lines mentioned just above changed after clicking the "Check for updates" button. The lines now said: "Most recent check for updates:" said "Today at 12:13 PM" and the 2nd line "Updates were installed" still said NEVER instead of "Today at 11:44 AM. View update history" as it had earlier.

What happened to the 3 Microsoft Office 2003 updates I had installed earlier? Have they been removed and replaced with 29? Should I install these 29 or do nothing?

I went down the list of the six KB files I had un-installed. Five of them were still gone BUT KB 2952664 was BACK! How to get rid of this pesky update? Was my 1 hour re-boot delay caused by my removal of KB 295664? I wonder. Anyone have a clue? Should I try removing it again?

This whole experience has been VERY frightening. Geez! What a nightmare. :( I'm kinda afraid to do more. What to do? Is it possible that Microsoft, using a nefarious new type "update," is causing what I experienced to stop people from shutting off their efforts to force a "Win 10 freebie" upon Users of older OS's?
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Message 1759116 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 0:44:57 UTC

Hi Linda,

May I suggest a solution that has worked well for me. Go ahead and let the full update take place then run the following batch file. This is accomplished by copying the lines below, then pasting into a new notepad or text document. Save that document to your desktop as win10uninstall.bat(make sure you use the .bat in the file name). Right click on the desktop icon for the win10uninstall.bat file and select and click 'Run as Administrator'. A command window will open and the bad updates will be removed one by one without the need to restart after each update is removed. When the window closes the batch file is done. I recommend restarting after running the batch file.

I got this from an earlier post on this thread.

Here are the lines to paste:

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2957026 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2977759 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3050265 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3050267 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3065987 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3065988 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075851 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075853 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3081954 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083324 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083325 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083710 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083711 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3097877 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3102810 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3102812 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3112336 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3112343 /quiet /norestart

Good Luck.

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Message 1759132 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 2:06:42 UTC

Personally, I don't like using the /quiet switch. When I ran the pile of commands on a machine I knew had a lot of the updates, nothing happened because too many things were trying to be done at a time. So by removing /quiet, it will run through them one at a time, asking you to click "OK" to proceed with removing.
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Message 1759174 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1759116.  

Monday. January 25th. 2016 @7.58 AM. [GMT-0800]. Day of year = 25

Thank you SO MUCH for your kind help! The time you took to read and reply to my post and follow-on questions is sincerely appreciated. :) I'm a bit fearful of "batch files." I started using them in the early '80s and always was fearful of the damage one tiny error could do. I made such a tiny one in 1999 on a Win 98 PC and it 1/2 wiped out the entire OS. However, if I hear no 'negatives' about the batch file I may gather up all my couage and try it. :)

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Message 1759178 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:19:30 UTC - in response to Message 1759132.  

Personally, I don't like using the /quiet switch. When I ran the pile of commands on a machine I knew had a lot of the updates, nothing happened because too many things were trying to be done at a time. So by removing /quiet, it will run through them one at a time, asking you to click "OK" to proceed with removing.


Thank you MUCHLY for your comment about the 'quiet switch,' something "JaundicedEye' also mentioned !!

I presume I would take a line, all lines, like the following:
wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /quiet /norestart

and replace them with:
wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart ?

Sorry for 'the obvious,' just trying to dot every eye and cross every tee. I'm very 'detail oriented' as most in this group are. :) It's the way engineers are. :) Also, my motto is the old saw: "If it works, don't fix it."

I would then finish off with a 're-boot,' right?

One other thing to add to my earlier and lengthy post. After all was done I was horrified to learn that my net download speed had dropped from its usual 50 Mb or so speed down to TWO Mb !! That was another unexpected thing. It looks like the M$, (short-hand for Microsoft?), 'delete an update' is written using flaky code if things like THAT can happen. Yoiks!

THANK YOU 2 GENTLEMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May you both discover a new planet, find ET, win the lotto, or similar for your help to others. :)
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Message 1759182 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 16:34:48 UTC - in response to Message 1759106.  

One way to get Windows at least to recognize some of its own stuff again is the system file checker, sfc.exe

From an elevated command line (Start->type cmd.exe in the search, wait for it to show in the menu, then right-click it and choose run as administrator; there's an easier CTRL+keycode for this as well, but I always forget which that is) type sfc /SCANNOW and hit enter.

Not sure if the SCANNOW needs to be capitals, but it never hurts to do so, just in case there's a difference between 'scannow' and 'SCANNOW', just as there is between '-a' and '-A' on some of the switches).

Let it run all the way through, depending on the amount of problems it finds, this can take an hour or more. When it's done, reboot.

That should fix major problems with Windows replacing problem files with the originals it has in cache. If the cache is damaged, it'll ask for the Windows Install DVD. You may be required to reinstall updates of the problems it found through Windows Update.
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