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Message 1738324 - Posted: 30 Oct 2015, 19:20:52 UTC - in response to Message 1738320.  
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(sarcasm) could be all for the best that the US keeps its citizens under complete control by measures like a forced update to data mining friendly existence. Also, Population control hepping them up on processed food & sugar, and possibly to come fostering cancer by banning products that actually help people quit smoking.

Couldn't write a book about it ... oh wait, someone did
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Message 1738379 - Posted: 30 Oct 2015, 23:49:12 UTC

Regarding 'opting out', I just recommissioned an old HP 8200 Workstation running Win7 which I hadn't turned on since January. I have had to uncheck and hide 6 of the 'usual suspects' in updates three times now. Persistent little devils.

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Message 1738382 - Posted: 31 Oct 2015, 0:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 1738379.  

Persistent little devils.

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Message 1738385 - Posted: 31 Oct 2015, 0:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 1738382.  

Persistent little devils.

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Totally EVIL as I said in a previous post if your local police wanted as much data from your computer as M$ does they would need a court order to get it and the FACT that stuff seems to get turned back on at M$ discretion is PURE EVIL My computer is MINE and windows 7 will be my last windows version I have been working with Linux Mint and Ubuntu(mint getting the major amount of my time) So M$ can go screw itself.
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Message 1738492 - Posted: 31 Oct 2015, 12:08:50 UTC - in response to Message 1738485.  


Early next year, we expect to be re-categorizing Windows 10 as a “Recommended Update”. Depending upon your Windows Update settings, this may cause the upgrade process to automatically initiate on your device.


We'll upgrade you via the back door, behind your back if we have to.


I read that part that same way as you. *Eye Roll*
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Message 1738501 - Posted: 31 Oct 2015, 12:59:10 UTC - in response to Message 1738492.  


Early next year, we expect to be re-categorizing Windows 10 as a “Recommended Update”. Depending upon your Windows Update settings, this may cause the upgrade process to automatically initiate on your device.


We'll upgrade you via the back door, behind your back if we have to.


I read that part that same way as you. *Eye Roll*

... which is why I have updates switched off on my Win7 PC. Unless Micro$oft has a way of getting into my PC, through the Internet, and turning updates back on, I will see no updates... AT ALL. :) Trust Micro$oft? I don't think so. Well, maybe as far as I can throw this house. :D lol

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Message 1738517 - Posted: 31 Oct 2015, 13:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 1738516.  

... they probably have a plan to do a basic product reset to start selling Windows 11 (or whatever they call the next one...)

Windows as a service. They already said it in so many words, but you'll need Windows 10 before you can get any next Windows version as it'll only be available from the cloud, through Windows(10) Updates.

Microsoft has referred to Windows as a service multiple times throughout Windows 10’s development, mainly to emphasize that the company’s latest and greatest operating system will not just have updates like previous Windows releases, but more significant improvements over its lifetime.

So, just as Windows 10 is now going to be an update through Windows Update for Windows 7 and 8.1, will any newer Windows versions be an update through Windows Update for Windows 10. Without 10 you can't really get them, then you'll have to install Win10 first before you're eligible. [/i]
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Message 1738657 - Posted: 31 Oct 2015, 22:55:10 UTC - in response to Message 1738632.  
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I, on the other hand, will most likely elect to *not* pay a recurring fee to keep using it personally. I have enough recurring bills as it is.
HERE HERE on the bills and since I have already decided that 7 will be my last windows it does not matter if M$ wants to charge or not Linux will be my OS after support for 7 runs out and Linux may well change a whole lot in the next 5 years given the current situation with windows.
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Message 1738772 - Posted: 1 Nov 2015, 13:23:21 UTC - in response to Message 1738300.  
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New blog post about how updating to Windows 10 is going to become easier:

Our aspiration is for customers to choose Windows, and to love Windows. ...

Wow!...

Disengage brain. Simply follow the Microsoft approved way...?

There is nothing better?...


I'm sure there have been some books written about that...

How do we better educate those lost in their hasty rushed busy bewildering Marketing/Media steered world instead that unfettered freedom is easily available?


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Message 1738831 - Posted: 1 Nov 2015, 17:24:27 UTC

Still another update on my Windows 10 Home Edition. But now RDP seems to work. Maybe they read my complaints.
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Message 1739167 - Posted: 2 Nov 2015, 20:34:00 UTC - in response to Message 1738737.  

What we need here in an ongoing definitive list of win 10 KB's NOT to install, so we know the ones that we DO need.

Does this count?

It wasn't entirely all my doing.. I sifted through this whole thread and compiled most of that list from others' contributions and warnings, but now when new sketchy updates come out, I research them myself and add to the list.
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Message 1739375 - Posted: 3 Nov 2015, 15:19:10 UTC
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Just can't resist :DDDD


(Millions flies can't be wrong)


Однажды к Ходже пристали мальчишки. Чтобы отделаться от них, он сказал, что за углом стоит телега с яблоками. «Яблоки, яблоки!!!», закричали мальчишки и побежали за предполагаемым угощением. Ходжа долго смотрел им вслед, а потом подумал: «Строго говоря, множество людей не может быть не право. Раз эти чистые, невинные дети считают, что за углом дают яблоки, значит так оно и есть!». «Яблоки, яблоки!!!», закричал Ходжа Насреддин и, подобрав полы халата, помчался вслед за мальчишками.
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Message 1739382 - Posted: 3 Nov 2015, 15:30:32 UTC - in response to Message 1739375.  
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Still one step short of Apple marketing ("It's shiny and you want to buy this")
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Message 1739407 - Posted: 3 Nov 2015, 22:02:12 UTC - in response to Message 1739375.  

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Message 1739410 - Posted: 3 Nov 2015, 22:09:05 UTC

MajorGeeks posted an "anti-spy tool" for Windows 10.

You have the option of disabling many Windows 10 features from within DoNotSpy10 including; Disable Telemetry, Disable enabling Lock Screen Camera, Disable and Reset Cortana, Disable Location, and many more.

Be advised that DoNotSpy10 is advertising supported and may offer to install third party programs that are not required for the program to run. These may include a toolbar, changing your homepage, default search engine or other third party programs. Please watch the installation carefully to opt out.
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Message 1739413 - Posted: 3 Nov 2015, 22:24:13 UTC - in response to Message 1739411.  

None of you will win, you will be assimilated .....


Resistance is not futile. It is voltage divided by current.... ;-)
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Message 1739442 - Posted: 4 Nov 2015, 0:18:34 UTC

Here's another suspicious optional update just pooped on the radar. (Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3102810)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3102810

And, no that is not a misspell.


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Message 1739482 - Posted: 4 Nov 2015, 4:33:36 UTC - in response to Message 1739442.  
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Here's another suspicious optional update just pooped on the radar. (Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3102810)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3102810

And, no that is not a misspell.

Just looked at their description about it. Looks like another update to the Update Client. Nooooope. I'm not installing any updates to the Update Client. The newer Update Client is the one that shadow downloads stuff in the background without ever telling you. Not letting that happen.

Adding 3102810 to the color-coded list.


edit: fixing a machine that had all of these updates (and the user even mistakenly tried the upgrade and it failed at 99% after several hours), I removed the previous list of updates to avoid using the command-line 'wusa' method and told it to search for new updates and I've hidden everything that came up... and I've told it to check for new updates after doing that and I've found one or two more that are highly suspect that somehow slipped through the cracks. Namely.. KB 3050265. I'll keep hiding these things as they keep showing up again until it finally says it couldn't find anything.

edit2: And I went in to WSUS to see if I had let 3050265 slip through the cracks before, and saw there were two updates that needed approval. 3081954 is another one to add.




(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (note: some google results suggest this may be part of the win 10 nagware upgrade, but it hasn't been confirmed)
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Mysterious update that claims to be an update for Windows Update Client in Windows 7. No further information is known.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update client provided by KB3083710

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