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Message 1721443 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 20:17:45 UTC

I took a look at my TV server last night, and found 5 of the 14 bad ones had managed to sneak themselves on that system. Uninstalled those, then tried a power down. After an hour of the system telling me it was "..preparing Windows, do not shut down..", I went to bed.

When I passed an hour later to the toilet, it was still chugging away, and listening to it I heard the HDD do a little rattle every now and then (thank the deities for HDDs that make noise). Going back to bed I didn't immediately fall asleep and after 15 minutes I noticed that the amount of light in the living room had returned to a much darker shade: it had finally powered down. (This system has 4 big blue LED lights on the front of the case.)

Tonight powering it up again, it took a further 15 minutes to get rid of remnants, but that's hopefully it.

Checking both on that system and on my normal driver, doing a check for Windows updates, it doesn't add any of the just uninstalled 'updates' as 'new' or 'missing' ones. So I can't even hide them. Will keep an eye on that.

KB2952664, KB2976978, KB2990214, KB3021917, KB3022345, KB3035583, KB3044374, KB3068708, KB3075249, KB3080149, KB2957026, KB2977759, KB3065987, KB3075851

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Message 1721458 - Posted: 2 Sep 2015, 21:15:02 UTC - in response to Message 1719369.  


Once 10 is downloaded, it takes control of some things that you CANNOT recover.
10 is not an OS, it is a VIRUS.

Thank you for your thoughts Mark.
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Message 1721541 - Posted: 3 Sep 2015, 3:18:54 UTC - in response to Message 1721458.  


Once 10 is downloaded, it takes control of some things that you CANNOT recover.
10 is not an OS, it is a VIRUS.

Thank you for your thoughts Mark.


I have to agree. I just had to disable the Diagnostic Tracking Service for the 2nd time(keeps turning itself back on?). And our old friends KB3068708 and 3075249 just appeared on my optional update list after being hidden twice previously.

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Message 1721968 - Posted: 4 Sep 2015, 6:16:01 UTC

Why not some-one write an Windows anti-spyware tool that automatically detects and gives the option to remove "malicious" tracking KBxxxxxxx that are blacklisted by the user?
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Message 1721970 - Posted: 4 Sep 2015, 6:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 1721968.  

Why not some-one write an Windows anti-spyware tool that automatically detects and gives the option to remove "malicious" tracking KBxxxxxxx that are blacklisted by the user?

Oh, I don't think it shall be too long and there will be some enterprising souls that will try to write security restoring utilities for 10.
Of course, once Skynet discovers them, they will send out another KB virus to disable them.
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Message 1721997 - Posted: 4 Sep 2015, 9:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 1721970.  

Why not some-one write an Windows anti-spyware tool that automatically detects and gives the option to remove "malicious" tracking KBxxxxxxx that are blacklisted by the user?

Oh, I don't think it shall be too long and there will be some enterprising souls that will try to write security restoring utilities for 10.
Of course, once Skynet discovers them, they will send out another KB virus to disable them.

We can argue how Microsoft has spawned the now long standing industry of "Anti-Virus" 'solutions'.

Soon followed by add-ons to attempt a 'solution' to an ever increasing range of "internet malware".

Are we next going to see various Microsoft updates and 'diagnostic trackers' added to that list as a new industry add-on?...


Indeed a strange world of IT!

And I thought an OS was supposed to be a silent facilitator between computer hardware and making our lives better for the users...


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Message 1722368 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 1:21:55 UTC

I experienced something interesting, I have an Acer Aspire Laptop that came with Window$ 8 installed new. I decided to try Ubuntu from a DVD and there is no way the system will boot. It refuses to recognize any OS other than Window$ 8 even when in BIOS. And I surmise the SSD C: boots too quickly to see the DVD.

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Message 1722372 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 1:25:15 UTC

most systems that ship with windows 8 are set to UEFI Boot Secure mode ON

you might need to set it to UEFI Boot Secure mode OFF to get it to boot from DVD or if that doesn't work try Legacy Boot Secure mode OFF
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Message 1722412 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 2:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 1722372.  

most systems that ship with windows 8 are set to UEFI Boot Secure mode ON

you might need to set it to UEFI Boot Secure mode OFF to get it to boot from DVD or if that doesn't work try Legacy Boot Secure mode OFF

This. My friend that I have mentioned a few times throughout this thread has to go into the UEFI menu for his 8.1 laptop and set the boot mode to 'legacy' in order to boot from optical/USB.
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Message 1722537 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 14:07:21 UTC

Greetings,

HaHa! I see Micro$ofts attempt at making every PC run 'ONLY WINBLOWS' is still in the UEFI. lol I fear that one day, they may just succeed. Good thing I build my own PCs, but if I do decide to scrub Winblows and go with Linux, I will have to check my UEFI first... ;)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)


P.S. @ BilBg: The repair install did not go through. I was able to get past the first error 'Your current Winblows is a newer version...', but I ran into another stating that 'Winblows 7 Professional cannot be upgraded to Winblows 7 Professional'. I tried 3 different ways to do it per that page you linked to. Nothing, nata, zilch... So, I'm left with only 2 options: Do a clean install of Win7 Pro 64bit or scrub Winblows completely and go with Linux. I have reinstalled SP1 to fix a few things that were broken with out it. I have not tried to install the 100+ updates that Micro$oft says I need. I'm in contemplative mode right now. Thanks dude for the website you linked to. :)
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Message 1722543 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 14:41:29 UTC

Over the years I've had little luck with doing repair "installations" of various versions of Windows. These days I just head straight for the re-installation, sometimes it they ask for the key, sometimes they don't, but they always save an imense amount of swet and agro. Also, and I've not worked out the logic here, I've had to re-register and sometimes not.
The other option of going for a version of Linux is certainly getting to be more attractive when I read the issues folks are having with the migration to Windoze 10.
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Message 1722550 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 15:15:12 UTC - in response to Message 1722543.  

Or just keep Win 7 and install a Linux distro beside as a second OS to get used to it.
Most Linux distros don`t work smooth with newest hardware.
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Message 1722557 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 15:44:09 UTC - in response to Message 1721435.  

Oh, and check out the two Easter Eggs by asking Cortana, "Where is Master Chief?" and "Where can I bury a dead body?"

Google's voice search answers those as well. As well as "What is the meaning of life", "Who are you?" and "Why do cats purr?"
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Message 1722558 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 15:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 1722557.  
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Oh, and check out the two Easter Eggs by asking Cortana, "Where is Master Chief?" and "Where can I bury a dead body?"

Google's voice search answers those as well. As well as "What is the meaning of life", "Who are you?" and "Why do cats purr?"

Hmmm....how does it answer 'Why do cats purr?'?
My kitties have never told me.
"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

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Message 1722566 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 16:03:54 UTC
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I have BOINC 7.6.6 on my 4-core Windows 10 64-bit CPU. ATLAS@home sends me a maximum of 4 tasks, vLHC@home 2 tasks, CMS-dev 1 task. They all use Virtual Box, no GPU. When I allow the downloading of SETI@home tasks, I get about 27 of them, both CPU and GPU, so they overfill my CPU. GPU tasks are run one at the time, CPU tasks occupy one or two cores, leaving the other 2 to the CERN programs. but why does SETI@home sends me all those tasks? On my 32-bit Linux laptop I get a maximum of 2. I am running 4 CPU tasks plus one GPU task.
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Message 1722571 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 16:15:52 UTC - in response to Message 1722558.  

Hmmm....how does it answer 'Why do cats purr?'?
My kitties have never told me.

This is why your cat purrs when petted, instinctively giving the signal "all is well," a message you can both feel and hear. But this isn't the only message purring may signal: Older cats purr when they play or approach other cats, signaling they are friendly and want to come closer.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=892
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Message 1722573 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 16:19:49 UTC - in response to Message 1722571.  
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Hmmm....how does it answer 'Why do cats purr?'?
My kitties have never told me.

This is why your cat purrs when petted, instinctively giving the signal "all is well," a message you can both feel and hear. But this isn't the only message purring may signal: Older cats purr when they play or approach other cats, signaling they are friendly and want to come closer.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=892

The bit about kitties purring at the vet is also very true. That's how my Purrball kitty got her name. At her first vet visit, she was purring too loudly for the vet to listen to her heart, so the vet put her paw under the faucet.....
"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

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Message 1722679 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 23:01:58 UTC - in response to Message 1722537.  

P.S. @ BilBg: The repair install did not go through. I was able to get past the first error 'Your current Winblows is a newer version...', but I ran into another stating that 'Winblows 7 Professional cannot be upgraded to Winblows 7 Professional'.
I tried 3 different ways to do it per that page you linked to...

Did you try:
Downloading Windows installation media
"Non-OEM (if Windows was not preinstalled) users can visit the Microsoft Software Recovery page and download the Windows installation ISO by entering correct product key. This seems to work for Windows 7 only..."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download

Such disc image (ISO file) will have SP1 and maybe other updates embedded

P.S.
Year ago it was possible to Download without product key:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/248995/how-to-install-windows-7-without-the-disc.html
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/653d34d9-ac99-42db-80c8-6300f01f7aae/windows-7downloard

"UPDATE 2/25/15 Digital River no longer works; you can now download Windows 7 ISOs from Microsoft's Software Recovery website."
 


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Message 1722684 - Posted: 5 Sep 2015, 23:32:01 UTC - in response to Message 1722679.  
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Did you try:
Downloading Windows installation media
"Non-OEM (if Windows was not preinstalled) users can visit the Microsoft Software Recovery page and download the Windows installation ISO by entering correct product key. This seems to work for Windows 7 only..."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download

Such disc image (ISO file) will have SP1 and maybe other updates embedded

P.S.
Year ago it was possible to Download without product key:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/248995/how-to-install-windows-7-without-the-disc.html
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/653d34d9-ac99-42db-80c8-6300f01f7aae/windows-7downloard
"UPDATE 2/25/15 Digital River no longer works; you can now download Windows 7 ISOs from Microsoft's Software Recovery website."[/quote]
The software recovery site did not work for me kept saying there was a problem even though my copy of 7 is retail it took 35-40 minutes chatting with a tech before I got the download links for 32 and 64 bit versions and another kicker I had to copy a file(bootsect.exe) from the 32 bit files to the 64 bit to make a bootable 64 bit disc which the tech failed to mention. Also I did try the one link for us and it is different than when I went to the recovery page so something has changed. NO WINDOWS 10 OR SPYWARE UPDATES FOR 7 AND 8 FOR ME.
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Message 1723592 - Posted: 8 Sep 2015, 23:17:27 UTC

In light of a new pile of updates today, my Win 7 machines had a pile of them today. Most were security updates and stuff for Office, but there is one in particular that is.....mysterious and questionable at best.

3083324 is was optional, but InfoWorld suggests avoiding it.

Some time between the InfoWorld article and later in the day on Tuesday, it became important.

There's not enough info about it to know if it is really a bad update to avoid, but until there is more information, I'm avoiding it.
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