Windows 10 - Yea or Nay?

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Siran d'Vel'nahr Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238	Message 1970167 - Posted: 13 Dec 2018, 19:21:15 UTC - in response to Message 1970159. Latest news, read all about it! https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10-sends-your-activity-history-to-microsoft-even-if-you-tell-it-not-to/ Windows 10 collects an â€œActivity Historyâ€ of applications you launch on your PC and sends it to Microsoft. Even if you disable or clear this, Microsoftâ€™s Privacy Dashboard still shows an â€œActivity Historyâ€ of applications youâ€™ve launched on your PCs. -[ snip ]- Well! I be damned!! Darn and drat and double drat 'n' all that...! So... Is this an example of: Malevolence? Incompetence? Dumb uncontrolled uncoordinated shoddiness? Incoherent unmaintainability? Or something else?? What can you believe?! IT is what we make it... Martin Hi Martin, Malevolence? Incompetence? Dumb uncontrolled uncoordinated shoddiness? Incoherent unmaintainability? Answer? All of the above. Micro$oft is evil, we all know that. I wonder what Privacy lawyers are going to be able to do against Micro$oft. They cannot do class actions and I doubt that even Elon Musk has enough money to go after Micro$oft. We'll just have to wait and see if the US Government will step in... once again. Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath ID: 1970167 ·

Jimbocous Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1859 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349	Message 1970190 - Posted: 13 Dec 2018, 21:52:27 UTC Never attribute to Malice that which can be explained by Incompetence and Laziness. ID: 1970190 ·

JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1	Message 1970212 - Posted: 13 Dec 2018, 23:47:12 UTC It all boils down to Micro$uck again living up to it's vile reputation.....so glad I 'Just said No' to Win10. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1970212 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21699 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 1970230 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 1:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1970227. Last modified: 14 Dec 2018, 1:02:36 UTC We have one Win 10 system. The rest are Win 7. All I can say about Win 10 is ___ and ___ and ___ and ___. Well, just fill-in the curses. May your PCs live in "Interesting Times"? (Sorry, couldn't resist! :-P ) IT is what we suffer from who we choose to suffer?... IT can be what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1970230 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21699 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 1970232 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 1:04:36 UTC - in response to Message 1970190. Last modified: 14 Dec 2018, 1:05:38 UTC Never attribute to Malice that which can be explained by Incompetence and Laziness. ... And Marketing and Greed and (greedy cost cutting for a false cheapness and...) the users be damned?... IT is what we choose it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1970232 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21699 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 1970233 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 1:11:42 UTC - in response to Message 1970159. Last modified: 14 Dec 2018, 1:12:53 UTC ... Windows 10 can carry on slurping even when you're sure you yelled STOP! All your activity are belong to us ... In what is likely to be more cock-up than conspiracy, it appears that Microsoft is continuing to collect data on recent user activities even when the user has explicitly said NO... ... Deliberate slurpage, or a case of poor QA and one team not talking to the other aside, it isn't a great look for Microsoft... ... Microsoft got in touch to insist it is committed to privacy and transparency, but admitted there is indeed a bit of naming problem ... Marisa Rogers, Privacy Officer at the software giant, told us: "We are working to address this naming issue in a future update." The slurpage collection is of course for your benefit and Rogers added that users have "controls to manage your data."... ... From that article, the magic names to invoke are: As for turning the thing off, Microsoft confirmed that, yes, you have to go to two places to actually stop your Activity History being shared with Redmond: 1. Under Settings->Privacy->Activity history: ensure the setting "Let Windows sync my activities from this PC to the cloud" is not checked 2. Under Settings->Privacy->Diagnostics & feedback: ensure Diagnostic data is set to Basic Phew! Is that clear? Can you imagine that stops Microsoft sucking up your private and personal data? Or worse? What can you believe?! IT is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1970233 ·

betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11451 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66	Message 1970235 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 1:29:21 UTC All I want is the use of my mouse back, is that too much to ask for? W10 updates keep breaking it and this last couple of times I have not been able to recover. ID: 1970235 ·

Jord Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3	Message 1970287 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 11:43:30 UTC https://lifehacker.com/windows-10-collects-activity-data-even-when-tracking-is-1831054394 has a blocking workaround for the problem, while the rest waits for Microsoft to fix it (whenever). ID: 1970287 ·

JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1	Message 1970339 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 18:29:39 UTC Can you imagine that stops Microsoft sucking up your private and personal data? Or worse? What can you believe?! As Clyde, I only have one device afflicted with the 'Curse of 10', a Surface I purchased from a batch advertised as running 8.1, and through that 'Limited' experience with 10........"What can I believe?".......from a company who has the audacity to invade my home at night, start a device and use it in turn and the network connection I pay for, to broadcast data to other devices?..........I believe nothing. Sooner or later(hopefully the former) they're gonna piss off enough people or governments to have a hammer brought down that will make the IE ruling look like Sesame Street. Karma will out..... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1970339 ·

Siran d'Vel'nahr Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238	Message 1970353 - Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 20:02:45 UTC - in response to Message 1970339. Can you imagine that stops Microsoft sucking up your private and personal data? Or worse? What can you believe?! As Clyde, I only have one device afflicted with the 'Curse of 10', a Surface I purchased from a batch advertised as running 8.1, and through that 'Limited' experience with 10........"What can I believe?".......from a company who has the audacity to invade my home at night, start a device and use it in turn and the network connection I pay for, to broadcast data to other devices?..........I believe nothing. Sooner or later(hopefully the former) they're gonna piss off enough people or governments to have a hammer brought down that will make the IE ruling look like Sesame Street. Karma will out..... Hi JE, A very BIG +1. Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath ID: 1970353 ·

TimeLord04 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23	Message 1970429 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 6:13:11 UTC 1809 just TRIED to Update to my Dad's Desktop, (Farragut - i7 7700, Gigabyte GA-H270-HD3 MOBO, 16GB Corsair Vengeance CL14 DDR4 RAM, Integrated Intel HD630 GPU), System. I fought with Win Update Settings and FORCED this to "Pause" 'til January 19, 2009!!! :-) Hopefully, by then, they'll have 1809 ironed out. (MAYBE...???...) TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1970429 ·

Siran d'Vel'nahr Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238	Message 1970455 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 11:16:18 UTC - in response to Message 1970429. 1809 just TRIED to Update to my Dad's Desktop, (Farragut - i7 7700, Gigabyte GA-H270-HD3 MOBO, 16GB Corsair Vengeance CL14 DDR4 RAM, Integrated Intel HD630 GPU), System. I fought with Win Update Settings and FORCED this to "Pause" 'til January 19, 2009!!! :-) Hopefully, by then, they'll have 1809 ironed out. (MAYBE...???...) TL Hi TL, 2009? Shouldn't that be 2019? The temporal Prime Directive is in full force here. lol ;) Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath ID: 1970455 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21699 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 1970487 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 17:17:28 UTC Last modified: 15 Dec 2018, 17:17:46 UTC Would you believe IT... It's December of 2018 and, to hell with it, just patch your stuff Windows, Office, Acrobat, SAP... you know the deal... ... combining to patch more than 140 CVE-listed security flaws between them... ... The December patch bundle from Microsoft addresses a total of 39 vulnerabilities, including one that is publicly known and another that is being targeted in the wild... Oh to be oh so vulnerable! Isn't that something that teenagers quickly grow out of?... IT is whatever it is?... Can you imagine?! IT really is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1970487 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21699 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 1970488 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 17:19:30 UTC Last modified: 15 Dec 2018, 18:02:42 UTC Further thoughts for an unbelievable few months for this thread to round off this year... How can any company survive such ongoing tripe? How can the users not be revolting/revolted? IT really is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1970488 ·

Jord Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3	Message 1970490 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 17:30:14 UTC - in response to Message 1970488. Last modified: 15 Dec 2018, 17:37:26 UTC How can the users not be revolting? There's no immediate alternative that's as good and has universal driver/hardware/software support as Windows. OS X requires new hardware that you pay through the nose for. And then you have to buy all your games/software again and hope they can run on this platform. Linux has too many distributions, not all of whom support all hardware and software that Windows supports. Android isn't mature enough yet on bigger devices. Chrome OS and other low volume OSes aren't supporting all games/software, mostly due to their low volume. So best sit with your hands in your hair, frothing at the mouth, yelling from the top of your lungs at Microsoft and then just sag, droop your shoulders and sit through it again. You know there's no alternative! Edit: and then, perhaps big gaming PCs are a thing of the past anyway. Especially with Shadow around the corner. (If you order Shadow's service, you get a small 7 Watt Linux client at your home which streams the games from their independent servers, which each contain: 16 CPU cores, 48GB of RAM and 4 performance grade GPUs, typically GTX 1080s or Quadro P5000s, running Redhat's KVM on Linux, with your client getting one dedicated GPU) ID: 1970490 ·

JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1	Message 1970497 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 18:02:06 UTC (If you order Shadow's service, you get a small 7 Watt Linux client at your home which streams the games from their independent servers, which each contain: 16 CPU cores, 48GB of RAM and 4 performance grade GPUs, typically GTX 1080s or Quadro P5000s, running Redhat's KVM on Linux, with your client getting one dedicated GPU)Jord ....which leaves the user at the mercy of the reliability of your internet connection. That's the same problem I have with 'cloud' storage, and why I built my own cloud, on my home network, two(so far)NAS with 16 TB capacity(so far). I keep only the OS on the 250 MB SSD C: of each PC, with data being in 'my cloud'. Each PC also has a 3 or 4 TB D: where games and programs are located. If I lose my internet connection I can still wast enormous amounts of time gaming..... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1970497 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21699 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 1970498 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 18:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 1970490. ... There's no immediate alternative that's as good and has universal driver/hardware/software support... Do not underestimate the voodoo of Marketing... There are always good alternatives... ;-) IT is what we make it... Martin See: An overview of today's top distributions See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1970498 ·

Jord Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3	Message 1970501 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 18:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1970497. ....which leaves the user at the mercy of the reliability of your internet connection. Oh, didn't I copy that? You get a Gigabit connection to their servers with the subscription.... ID: 1970501 ·

Sleepy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 May 99 Posts: 219 Credit: 98,947,784 RAC: 28,360	Message 1970505 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 18:53:11 UTC - in response to Message 1970501. Oh, didn't I copy that? You get a Gigabit connection to their servers with the subscription.... That would be a good reason to subscribe if they would provide me such a connection, even without playing, since I am stuck at 4/.3 Mbit/s DL/UL! ;-) ID: 1970505 ·

Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31228 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32	Message 1970519 - Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 19:50:36 UTC - in response to Message 1970490. So best sit with your hands in your hair, frothing at the mouth, yelling from the top of your lungs at Microsoft and then just sag, droop your shoulders and sit through it again. You know there's no alternative! Truer words have not been spoken. No one wants to support Linus because there isn't one Linux, there are hundreds all just different enough that a team of distro tuners is needed for each. On top of it the users expect high performance software that requires constant patches for legal, HR and accounting rules changes to be free - just like the O/S, of course it has to talk seamlessly to the windows world as all the customers and suppliers are windows based and they have to convince every hardware vendor to write free drivers for every piece of equipment going back a decade. Sure you can find a good free word processor for Linux. I defy anyone to find a program that can calculate payroll tax deductions for Linux that is up to date and kept that way. (Uh, don't businesses have employees? - Bingo, that's why Linux is going to only be IOT software.) ID: 1970519 ·

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