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Message 1929557 - Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 11:12:56 UTC

Here's the reason why the Spring Creators update is being postponed.

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-holds-releasing-windows-10-version-1803-public


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Message 1929568 - Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 13:00:39 UTC

Last night before I went to bed, I saw three updates waiting in Windows Update for Win7. The Malicious Software check that I hide by default, the monthly rollup and KB2952664. This afternoon only KB2952664 was still there, the rollup has been silently removed.
KB2952664 isn't coming onto this system due to: "This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program." Since I don't participate in that program, it's not coming on.

So, no updates this month? :)
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Message 1929572 - Posted: 12 Apr 2018, 13:32:06 UTC - in response to Message 1929568.  

Last night before I went to bed, I saw three updates waiting in Windows Update for Win7. The Malicious Software check that I hide by default, the monthly rollup and KB2952664. This afternoon only KB2952664 was still there, the rollup has been silently removed.
KB2952664 isn't coming onto this system due to: "This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program." Since I don't participate in that program, it's not coming on.

So, no updates this month? :)

Hi Jord,

I also have that disabled so why do I have KB2952664 installed? (-_-)

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Message 1930589 - Posted: 18 Apr 2018, 0:39:59 UTC - in response to Message 1929049.  

Siran, thanks for the links, as now that I have been assimilated by the W10 Borg, I guess I will have to care about what M$ does to it. I had planned to live foot loose and fancy free for at least a couple more years, but whaddaya gonna do? This will help me cut it back to a more manageable level I guess, though I, like many many others, would really just prefer to completely remove it, or better yet, avoid putting it on in the first place, but you have to go with what it possible I suppose. Thanks again.

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Message 1930665 - Posted: 18 Apr 2018, 11:30:38 UTC

Linux adepts, read it and weep: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service
Introducing Microsoft Azure Sphere: Secure and power the intelligent edge

But as said, it's for IoT devices (for now). So not coming to your Surface Pro any time soon.
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Message 1930986 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 5:01:15 UTC

I'm still monitoring updates for 7 that arrive in WSUS.

I'm a bit peeved that MS said that the monthly rollups would not apply to WSUS--WSUS would still get the individual updates that were contained within. That lasted for the whole first month of starting to do the rollups. The following month, only rollups show up.

And then MS changed the way their website shows info about the KB numbers, so it's really difficult to find out what each one actually does. So I've erred on the side of caution and I just don't approve the rollups for distribution.

And yeah, I keep seeing 2952664 show up all the time. That was one of the first ones to avoid as it was the first building-block to enabling 7 to be upgraded to 10. I like not having datamining and telemetry, thank you very much.
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Message 1930993 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 6:11:07 UTC

Just had my laptop basically bricked by one of this months updates, would boot to bios, but attempting to reboot just left it on the the Acer splash screen forever.

Currently starting the reset of the PC.

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Message 1931033 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 13:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 1930986.  

Greetings Cosmic,

And yeah, I keep seeing 2952664 show up all the time. That was one of the first ones to avoid as it was the first building-block to enabling 7 to be upgraded to 10. I like not having datamining and telemetry, thank you very much.

Well I'll be damned! I got that "update" installed on the 11th this month. WHY?!? Is this another plot by Micro$oft to get Windows 10 on PCs not yet running it?

I'll be re-building this PC with new 8th gen tech sometime next week and granted, I will be installing Windows 10. But yet another nefarious plot to get Windows 10 on PCs? The basic reason I will be installing Windows 10 is because it is a headache to get Win 7 installed on a Coffee Lake based PC, not to mention that Win 7 just was not built for the current generation silicone. And, not to mention that Win 7 support will die out in January 2020. And, Win 7 hasn't a clue what an M.2 NVMe drive is. I'm not sure about regular SSDs and whether Win 7 knows of them or not.

Damn Micro$oft and their damned arrogance! >_<

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Message 1931084 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 20:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1931033.  
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Greetings Cosmic,

And yeah, I keep seeing 2952664 show up all the time. That was one of the first ones to avoid as it was the first building-block to enabling 7 to be upgraded to 10. I like not having datamining and telemetry, thank you very much.

Well I'll be damned! I got that "update" installed on the 11th this month. WHY?!? Is this another plot by Micro$oft to get Windows 10 on PCs not yet running it?

I'll be re-building this PC with new 8th gen tech sometime next week and granted, I will be installing Windows 10. But yet another nefarious plot to get Windows 10 on PCs? The basic reason I will be installing Windows 10 is because it is a headache to get Win 7 installed on a Coffee Lake based PC, not to mention that Win 7 just was not built for the current generation silicone. And, not to mention that Win 7 support will die out in January 2020. And, Win 7 hasn't a clue what an M.2 NVMe drive is. I'm not sure about regular SSDs and whether Win 7 knows of them or not.

Damn Micro$oft and their damned arrogance! >_<

Siran


A regular SSD is just a hard drive to Windows 7, they read them just fine.

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Message 1931099 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018, 22:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 1931033.  
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I'm not sure about regular SSDs and whether Win 7 knows of them or not.

SSDs existed before Win7.
No problems with my system with some (now) old Vertex2 SSDs when it had Win7 on it.

Personally I don't have any issues with WIn10. It's more responsive & stable than Win7 was (and it is an upgrade over an existing Win7 installation). I run Win10Pro so i'm able to disable the automatic update of video drivers & the like. And I just set the privacy settings to ones that i'm happy with.
Anyone who has an account with Facebook (or similar) is giving away far more information than M$ gets with their most aggressive telemetry settings.
I don't have a smart phone because I don't like the way that you have no privacy at all when you use them (Android & Apple are no different). With Win10 I can reduce the amount of data M$ get, without the need of 3rd party tools.
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Message 1931124 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 0:34:54 UTC

The problem with 7 and SSDs are the NVMe ones. 7 does not have the capability by default/natively to use those.

I've read there is a later update (some KB number in the 290xxxx range) that gives 7 the ability to do NVMe drives, but even then, it's not guaranteed.

I've done a lot of research on NVMe + 7 and it seems that Samsung is the only M.2 SSD that will work with 7 period. Samsung has NVMe drivers for 7, none of the other brands do. It is possible the generic MS one from that KB number may work, but they sure aren't making it easy to stick with 7.



And I'm waiting for guinea pigs to confirm if the 2700X + Gigabyte x470 board will in fact work with 7. Gigabyte has drivers for 7 (and they are the only mfr with a x470 board that has 7 drivers), but they say that only 1000-series works. But I'm pretty sure that's only for the APUs. I found this unofficial answer earlier today regarding 2000-series CPU + x470 + win7, and it *should* work....but again, I'm waiting for guinea pigs with money they're willing to spend to try it and find out if it really does work.

I'd really like to stay on 7... but MS+mfrs sure aren't making it easy.
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Message 1931244 - Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 14:38:31 UTC

Running Spybot Antibeacon seems to have prevented those verbotten updates on my Win8.1 systems. I need to check the Win7 builds I did for friends to see if they are protected as well.

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Message 1931595 - Posted: 23 Apr 2018, 17:21:13 UTC - in response to Message 1930986.  


And yeah, I keep seeing 2952664 show up all the time. That was one of the first ones to avoid as it was the first building-block to enabling 7 to be upgraded to 10. I like not having datamining and telemetry, thank you very much.

For Windows 8.1 also known as (KB2976978). (Compatibility update for keeping Windows up-to-date in Windows 8.1 and Windows 8)
And ever since upgrading to Windows 10 for free stopped, these updates says: "There is no GWX or upgrade functionality contained in this update."
However they're still reissued at periodic intervals. And as always, I hide, hide, hide :-)

I still refuse Windows 10, and will refuse it until there aren't no other options.
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Message 1932209 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 1:57:56 UTC

Windows 10 illegally collects data at install, says Brazil prosecutor
* Federal prosecutors in Brazil claim that the standard installation process for Windows 10 violates local laws by collecting user data without "express consent."
* Brazilian prosecutors are asking Microsoft to end its automatic data collection within 15 days and add new notifications on data collection.


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Message 1932232 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 5:04:04 UTC

Well when my Win7 licenses run out and I eventually find some video editing apps that will do what I get now then Linux Mint is the way I'll be going.

BTW, I've been building a nice little Linux Mint community (of all ages) around this little country village, here in the highlands down under, starting with old XP/Vista PC's that I've been converting over and after people with Win8 (and later versions) have seen and used these conversions of their friends they also want to join the club (in fact, between them and surveillance cameras installations, I'm being run ragged trying to keep up with my own stuff).

Sorry, but I can't report any Win7 converters as yet and I can't blame them for that (for now).

Cheers.
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Message 1932237 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 5:13:30 UTC - in response to Message 1932232.  

Wiggo, did you catch the news today that Mint is abandoning Ubuntu and moving to Arch Linux?
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Message 1932251 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 6:12:27 UTC - in response to Message 1932237.  

Wiggo, did you catch the news today that Mint is abandoning Ubuntu and moving to Arch Linux?
No I havn't, but I'm sure that I can tackle that hurdle when it comes (that's if it causes any problems at all). Time will tell. ;-)

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Message 1932335 - Posted: 27 Apr 2018, 15:29:02 UTC

It looks like the failed Spring Creators update (commonly known as Redstone 4) that was supposed to happen on 10 April, will be available for d/l on 30 April and via Windows update on 8 May (update Tuesday) -- More bloatware.
https://liliputing.com/2018/04/the-next-major-windows-10-update-rolls-out-april-30th.html
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/windows-10-april-update-release-date


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Message 1932420 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 1:03:47 UTC - in response to Message 1932251.  

Wiggo, did you catch the news today that Mint is abandoning Ubuntu and moving to Arch Linux?
No I havn't, but I'm sure that I can tackle that hurdle when it comes (that's if it causes any problems at all). Time will tell. ;-)

Cheers.


Hahaha, funny one, its a bit old to be reporting on April Fools Jokes lol.

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Message 1932427 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018, 1:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 1932420.  

Actually, didn't catch that one. Just saw the notice on a news feed. Sorry to have posted. I just had a bad experience with Mint and thought the move might improve things since Arch is well regarded as the "expert" Linux. Now that I followed up the post see the reference to April Fools Day.
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