I've been running the Lunatics 0.45 beta SoG for a couple of weeks and am still having mouse and keyboard lag and especially streaming or playback video problems(framing). Can anybody suggest an alteration that will reduce or eliminate the problem?

Here's the command line:

-tt 1500 -hp -period_iterations_num 8 -high_perf -high_prec_timer -sbs 1024 -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64 -use_sleep

My only alternative now is shutting boinc down when using other programs, and then I forget to restart it.

Thanks.

Reading some of the posts it seems that some are still using their iGPUs for processing tasks. Your machines have an iGPU, why don't you do what I have done. First, go into your bios and set the iGPU as the primary for your monitor(s), then set <ignore_intel_dev>0</ignore_intel_dev> in your cc_config.xml and re-start BOINC or re-read the cc_config.xml. Even though you may lose a few tasks that may have been assigned to the iGPU, all of your lagging problems go away. Depending on what your "use at most % of you CPUs" is, you may be able to increase it. Unless you're playing GPU intensive games or video editing, the iGPU will function quite nicely for just about everything else, freeing up more resources to BOINC.

[edit] BTW, are you using 1 CPU or .5 CPU per GPU tasks?]

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I am running Windows 10 Home Edition on a HP PC I bough in 2014 with Windows 8, then 8.1, then Windows 10. I never paid Microsoft for their updates which come monthly and I have no way to refuse them. Contrarily to what has been written they don't change my nVidia drivers for a GTX 1050 Ti GPU board, where I get updates from Geforce.
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They're obsoleting PCs based on what CPU is running in them, they're not allowing upgrades by what CPU is running in them, they're preventing older OSs such as Win7 from running on a PC based on the CPU in them and now they want to charge for a license based on the CPU in a new PC? Is there no stopping those greedy bastards? -_-

Siran

Well since they haven't yet decided to only allow it to run on M$ made boxes, they still have some ways to go yet.

Hi Gary,

Wouldn't they be shootin' themselves in the foot if they went that route? That, to me, would look like a MAJOR drop in Windoze PCs. ( unless they plan to buy up ALL the PC and parts manufacturers ;) )

But yeah, you're right, they do have a long ways to go... ;)

Siran

M$ doesn't have to sell OEM windoze, but how many Linux machines can the OEM's sell? Will they run Office SAS?

They're obsoleting PCs based on what CPU is running in them, they're not allowing upgrades by what CPU is running in them, they're preventing older OSs such as Win7 from running on a PC based on the CPU in them and now they want to charge for a license based on the CPU in a new PC? Is there no stopping those greedy bastards? -_-

Siran

Well since they haven't yet decided to only allow it to run on M$ made boxes, they still have some ways to go yet.

Hi Gary,

Wouldn't they be shootin' themselves in the foot if they went that route? That, to me, would look like a MAJOR drop in Windoze PCs. ( unless they plan to buy up ALL the PC and parts manufacturers ;) )

But yeah, you're right, they do have a long ways to go... ;)

Siran

M$ doesn't have to sell OEM windoze, but how many Linux machines can the OEM's sell? Will they run Office SAS?

Linux is hard to get any Windoze software running on it with Wine. I tried and it is a pain in the A$$ for those of us not raised on Linux. I have yet to succeed.
I migrated from Microware OS-9 which was a Unix derivative, all command line, no GUI. Well, there was a GUI, I just never got into it. It was like the first Windows that ran on MS-DOG.

Microsoft may not have to sell OEM, but as I see it, if they drop OEM Windows, that would be a shot in the foot. Unless, like I said, they plan on buying up all the PC and parts manufacturers.

Siran

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During the build and rework of my new computer, some things got a bit tangled in my Win 7, which I transferred from my old computer on the SSD with no changes.
After I got it running, I did an upgrade install from my Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 cd.
This of course, wiped out all the updates since the disc was created.
Proceeded to let Windows Update do it's thing. Which it did, installing some 190 or so updates.

Pleased to report that all updates installed correctly, and more importantly.............
Not one of them contained any badgering about switching to 10!

Meow!

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During the build and rework of my new computer, some things got a bit tangled in my Win 7, which I transferred from my old computer on the SSD with no changes.

I'm surprised you didn't install the AVX application for the CPU; 30% or better output than the SSSE applications. Although it does push your cooling system significantly. I had to replace the stock cooler with an aftermarket one to keep the temperatures down when I moved to the AVX application.

EDIT- and a lower value for the period_iterations_num to get more from the GPUs.

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Grant
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During the build and rework of my new computer, some things got a bit tangled in my Win 7, which I transferred from my old computer on the SSD with no changes.

I'm surprised you didn't install the AVX application for the CPU; 30% or better output than the SSSE applications. Although it does push your cooling system significantly. I had to replace the stock cooler with an aftermarket one to keep the temperatures down when I moved to the AVX application.

EDIT- and a lower value for the period_iterations_num to get more from the GPUs.

I did not change anything in my Boinc/Seti installation. It was transferred over on the SSD from the old computer.
I can rerun the Lunatics installer and look for that AVX app.
And if you have better suggestions for the SOG command line for the 1080ti's, by all means please let me know.

Meow!

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And if you have better suggestions for the SOG command line for the 1080ti's, by all means please let me know.

I run 1 WU at a time on my GTX 1070s, and this is the command line I use
-tt 1500 -hp -period_iterations_num 1 -high_perf -sbs 1024 -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64
The only difference appears to be i'm using the High Performance option (-high_perf), and a lower -period_iterations_num value. The lower that value, the higher the performance- but it does result in some screen/keyboard lag. If that's a dedicated cruncher, then it won't be an issue.

My present crunch time for blc_24s is around 7min 30, your present crunch times are just under 7min. I'd suspect with the lower -period_iterations_num and -high_perf option your times should get down to well under 6min.

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Grant
Darwin NT

And if you have better suggestions for the SOG command line for the 1080ti's, by all means please let me know.

I run 1 WU at a time on my GTX 1070s, and this is the command line I use
-tt 1500 -hp -period_iterations_num 1 -high_perf -sbs 1024 -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64
The only difference appears to be i'm using the High Performance option (-high_perf), and a lower -period_iterations_num value. The lower that value, the higher the performance- but it does result in some screen/keyboard lag. If that's a dedicated cruncher, then it won't be an issue.

My present crunch time for blc_24s is around 7min 30, your present crunch times are just under 7min. I'd suspect with the lower -period_iterations_num and -high_perf option your times should get down to well under 6min.

I am currently running 2 at a time on the GPUs..............

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I am currently running 2 at a time on the GPUs..............

In that case i'd probably leave things as they are, or give the -high_perf option a go to see if it does boost output at all.

Changing to the AVX application though for the CPU will be well worth it.

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Grant
Darwin NT

I agree with Grant. Definitely run back through the Lunatics installer and grab the AVX app for the MB CPU. I would also try the -high_perf option as that utilize the card memory more efficiently and faster. Should have no impact on lag. If feeling adventurous, go for the period_iterations 1 option too. I run two tasks per 1070 with high_perf and period_iterations 1 and have acceptable keyboard input lag on the daily driver.

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OK, thanks for the tips!
AVX it is then.
Gotta remember.....rerunning the installer will wipe out my command lines, right?
Have to copy them somewhere to add them back.
And re-edit the app info for 2 at a time.
It's been a while and my memory is not what it used to be.....LOL.

Meow.

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I am AVXing now.
Put in Grant's command line for SOG.

Got a good command line for AP?
Does the AVX need a command line?

Meow?

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AP comand line
-unroll 16 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192

AVX don`t need a comand line.

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AP comand line
-unroll 16 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192

AVX don`t need a comand line.

Thank you, Mike!
I forgot that AVX is a CPU application. But I think there is a file to add a command line?
Will add the AP command line.

Meow!

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If you put your command line tunings in an app_config file, you never have to edit app_info again. And the Lunatics installers NEVER touches your app_config file so it is only under your control. The only tunings for AP is with the gpu app. Basically the cpu apps don't need tuning if you choose the AVX app for both.

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Thanks, Keith.
Should be good to go for now then.
Will look into that app_config thingy.

If anybody notices something that needs correction or improvement, please do let me know!

Meow!

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Read all about it here. Application_configuration

Mine for example looks like this:

<app_config>
  <app_version>
    <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
    <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
    <ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
    <cmdline>-sbs 1024 -period_iterations_num 1 -tt 1500 -high_perf -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64 -high_prec_timer</cmdline>
  </app_version>
  <app_version>
    <app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
    <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_100</plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
    <ngpus>1</ngpus>
    <cmdline>-unroll 24 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 8 1 -tune 2 64 8 1</cmdline>
  </app_version>
<project_max_concurrent>8</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>

Just create it with Notepad as usual when editing the BOINC .xml files.

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And does that override the other command line files that I just edited?
Meow?

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I'm not sure. Maybe someone who knows for sure whether the app_config.xml takes precedence over any other command line file will comment. I just leave the command line files that the installer puts in blank at 0 bytes and do all my tuning in app_config. As I said, you just have to run the installer for your preferred app. I do the rest in app_config like how many task to run per card, how much cpu and gpu resources to commit per task and the tuning parameters for each app. That way you never have to hand edit app_info and risk dumping all your tasks. Which I have done countless times before until I learned about app_config and started using it.

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