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Message 1894649 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 17:10:29 UTC - in response to Message 1894638.  

I got 2 Windows 10 updates in 2 days, one marked 09/2017 and the other 10/2017. I don't know if this is the Creators Fall update.
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Creators Fall update starts rolling out to the masses on 17 October 2017.
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Message 1894672 - Posted: 11 Oct 2017, 18:20:22 UTC
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This looks like a Big One (or many) for those lost in Windows:


It's 2017... And Windows PCs can be pwned via DNS, webpages, Office docs, fonts – and some TPM keys are fscked too

Microsoft today released patches for more than 60 CVE-listed vulnerabilities in its software...

Among the latest holes that need papering over via Windows Update are three vulnerabilities already publicly disclosed – with one being exploited right now by hackers to infect vulnerable machines...

PS: Etienne Stalmans and Saif El-Sherei of SensePost say they've been able to achieve "command execution on Microsoft Word without any macros, or memory corruption," using the DDE protocol. We're told Microsoft, for now, considers it a feature, and not a bug.



That is quite a dump for a "Patch Tuesday" and something of an unwelcome indicator of the maintainability (or otherwise) of that world...


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ps: Also note:

Microsoft silently fixes security holes in Windows 10 – dumps Win 7, 8 out in the cold

... The fear is that miscreants comparing the various public builds of Windows will notice these vulnerabilities are being silently fixed in Windows 10, realize the same holes are present in earlier versions of Windows – which are still used in homes and businesses worldwide – and thus exploit...

All just a Marketing 'strategy'?...
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Message 1895001 - Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 9:05:58 UTC
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Dutch DPA: Microsoft breaches data protection law with Windows 10
Microsoft breaches the Dutch data protection law by processing personal data of people that use the Windows 10 operating system on their computers. This is the conclusion of the Dutch Data Protection Authority (DPA) after its investigation of Windows 10 Home and Pro. Microsoft does not clearly inform users about the type of data it uses, and for which purpose. Also, people cannot provide valid consent for the processing of their personal data, because of the approach used by Microsoft. The company does not clearly inform users that it continuously collects personal data about the usage of apps and web surfing behaviour through its web browser Edge, when the default settings are used. Microsoft has indicated that it wants to end all violations. If this is not the case, the Dutch DPA can decide to impose a sanction on Microsoft.

Microsoft needs to obtain valid consent from users to process their personal data. Therefore, people must be well informed and need to know precisely to what they say yes. This is not the case. The information that Microsoft provides in the installation screen of the Creators Update about the different choices for data processing, falls short. It is not made sufficiently clear that at the full telemetry level, Microsoft continuously collects data about the usage of apps and web surfing behaviour through Edge, including for example news articles that have been read and locations entered into apps.

Through the chosen approach Microsoft also does not obtain unambiguous consent. Microsoft uses opt-out options. On installation the telemetry level is set to full by default and the user is asked to accept the offered settings. Also, it is switched on by default that Microsoft may use the telemetry data to show personalised advertisements and recommendations in Windows and Edge, and that app developers may show personalised ads in apps. If a person does not actively change the default settings during installation, it does not mean he or she thereby gives consent for the use of his or her personal data. Additionally, the Dutch DPA has established that Microsoft has not respected existing privacy choices from some users when they upgraded to the Creators Update. This applies to the people who downloaded the operating system themselves. If they had previously selected basic telemetry in a prior Windows version and did not actively change the privacy settings upon installation of the Creators Update, the settings were switched to full telemetry level.

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Message 1895901 - Posted: 18 Oct 2017, 6:17:43 UTC
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Got the Creators Fall update. I had to reinstall the nVidia driver 387.92 for my GTX 1050 Ti. CPU speed reached 4.18 GHz instead of the previous 4.14 GHz maximum on my AMD A10-6700. Wait and see.
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I can see the GPU on my Task Manager, never seen before.
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Message 1895944 - Posted: 18 Oct 2017, 14:25:14 UTC

Indeed, the 'Windows Fall Creators Update' has hit:


Windows Fall Creators Update is here: What do you want first – bad news or good news?

... Microsoft’s efforts in making in-place upgrade smooth have paid off. There will always be cases where things go wrong, but the speed and reliability of the in-place upgrade is generally good...

... Another key upgrade is that the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) is now fully released...

... The Windows team continues its efforts to bring more settings to the [their one and only,] modern user interface, but this remains frustrating...

... Who runs your Windows 10 installation, you the user, or Microsoft? ... especially since its purpose is opaque. “I don’t like things being downloaded without my permission,” says the top review...

... Windows 10 today is too noisy, not least because of Microsoft’s official apps nagging you for feedback or store reviews...

... Should you install Fall Creators? If you run Windows 10, absolutely yes. It is worth it, if only for Files on Demand and the finished Linux subsystem...




Usual intrusive mixed bag?...

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Message 1895948 - Posted: 18 Oct 2017, 14:31:38 UTC - in response to Message 1894672.  

This looks like a Big One (or many) for those lost in Windows:


It's 2017... And Windows PCs can be pwned via DNS, webpages, Office docs, fonts – and some TPM keys are fscked too

Microsoft today released patches for more than 60 CVE-listed vulnerabilities in its software...

Among the latest holes that need papering over via Windows Update are three vulnerabilities already publicly disclosed – with one being exploited right now by hackers to infect vulnerable machines...

PS: Etienne Stalmans and Saif El-Sherei of SensePost say they've been able to achieve "command execution on Microsoft Word without any macros, or memory corruption," using the DDE protocol. We're told Microsoft, for now, considers it a feature, and not a bug.

[...]

No surprise, that exposed DDE 'feature not a bug' is already actively out in the wild for yet more malware to exploit Windows users:

Watch out for Microsoft Word DDE nasties...

... good ol' Office malware has biz workers in its sights again...

... It's the latest in a series of cyber-attacks leveraging DDE, which seems to be popular again with malware developers. Microsoft still supports [the feature and hence the vulnerability], so expect to see more of this kind of attack...




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Message 1896077 - Posted: 19 Oct 2017, 4:31:57 UTC

According to theregister.co.uk the Windows 10 Creators Fall Update includes a Linux release but I cannot find it in my Home edition on a HP PC. Has any Windows 10 user succeeded in using it?
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Message 1896145 - Posted: 19 Oct 2017, 15:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 1896077.  

According to theregister.co.uk the Windows 10 Creators Fall Update includes a Linux release but I cannot find it in my Home edition on a HP PC. Has any Windows 10 user succeeded in using it?
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It looks like you have to add Windows Subsystem for Linux yourself.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide
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Message 1896244 - Posted: 19 Oct 2017, 23:39:20 UTC - in response to Message 1896145.  

According to theregister.co.uk the Windows 10 Creators Fall Update includes a Linux release but I cannot find it in my Home edition on a HP PC. Has any Windows 10 user succeeded in using it?
Tullio

It looks like you have to add Windows Subsystem for Linux yourself.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide

Why is Windows IT never easy? (Or intuitive/obvious?)

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Message 1896350 - Posted: 20 Oct 2017, 15:54:44 UTC

Why is Windows IT never easy? (Or intuitive/obvious?)

Because then there would be no need for MCSEs............same reason for the Legal System and Lawyers.

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Message 1897536 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 8:44:23 UTC

Microsoft May Be Planning Price Increases for Windows 10

Microsoft has thus far been extremely flexible with Windows 10 pricing. It offered the update for free to users for months, and even after that there were ways to get the upgrade at no cost if you knew where to go. When the OS is still struggling to gain market share, increasing the price seems like a bad idea, but that’s just what Microsoft seems to be planning. A new edition of Windows 10 called Windows 10 Pro for Workstations is coming soon, and the version realignment will likely increase costs for system builders, ZDNet reports. Those costs will probably end up being passed down to consumers, too.

Windows 10 Pro for Workstations will include the company’s enterprise-oriented tools and features to support server-grade hardware. It will be positioned above Pro in the Windows 10 family, so it’ll have all the Pro features plus a whole lot more.

Based on reports from customers who have been contacted by system builders, Microsoft is planning to change the way it licenses Windows 10 going forward. Instead of letting the OEM decide which SKUs get which version, it will be based on the processor inside the machine. For a system with four or fewer cores, a Windows license is expected to increase $70. For a machine with more than four cores, Microsoft is looking at a $230 price increase for the manufacturer. The OEM could choose to swallow that cost, but with margins as low as they are on PCs, that seems unlikely.

Anyone looking to pick up a system running Intel Xeon or AMD Opteron processors in the coming months will probably also be stuck with the more expensive Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. Microsoft reportedly plans to require that version on such systems. A future update will also add support for Intel Core i9 and Ryzen Threadripper chips, possibly in March or April next year. That would be an optional upgrade for users, but OEMs would still be subject to higher licensing costs because of all the cores in those parts.

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Message 1897543 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 10:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 1897536.  

Microsoft May Be Planning Price Increases for Windows 10

Microsoft has thus far been extremely flexible with Windows 10 pricing. It offered the update for free to users for months, and even after that there were ways to get the upgrade at no cost if you knew where to go. When the OS is still struggling to gain market share, increasing the price seems like a bad idea, but that’s just what Microsoft seems to be planning. A new edition of Windows 10 called Windows 10 Pro for Workstations is coming soon, and the version realignment will likely increase costs for system builders, ZDNet reports. Those costs will probably end up being passed down to consumers, too.

Windows 10 Pro for Workstations will include the company’s enterprise-oriented tools and features to support server-grade hardware. It will be positioned above Pro in the Windows 10 family, so it’ll have all the Pro features plus a whole lot more.

Based on reports from customers who have been contacted by system builders, Microsoft is planning to change the way it licenses Windows 10 going forward. Instead of letting the OEM decide which SKUs get which version, it will be based on the processor inside the machine. For a system with four or fewer cores, a Windows license is expected to increase $70. For a machine with more than four cores, Microsoft is looking at a $230 price increase for the manufacturer. The OEM could choose to swallow that cost, but with margins as low as they are on PCs, that seems unlikely.

Anyone looking to pick up a system running Intel Xeon or AMD Opteron processors in the coming months will probably also be stuck with the more expensive Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. Microsoft reportedly plans to require that version on such systems. A future update will also add support for Intel Core i9 and Ryzen Threadripper chips, possibly in March or April next year. That would be an optional upgrade for users, but OEMs would still be subject to higher licensing costs because of all the cores in those parts.

They're obsoleting PCs based on what CPU is running in them, they're not allowing upgrades by what CPU is running in them, they're preventing older OSs such as Win7 from running on a PC based on the CPU in them and now they want to charge for a license based on the CPU in a new PC? Is there no stopping those greedy bastards? -_-

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Message 1897672 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 23:23:00 UTC - in response to Message 1897543.  

They're obsoleting PCs based on what CPU is running in them, they're not allowing upgrades by what CPU is running in them, they're preventing older OSs such as Win7 from running on a PC based on the CPU in them and now they want to charge for a license based on the CPU in a new PC? Is there no stopping those greedy bastards? -_-

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Well since they haven't yet decided to only allow it to run on M$ made boxes, they still have some ways to go yet.
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Message 1897677 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:00:28 UTC

I've been running the Lunatics 0.45 beta SoG for a couple of weeks and am still having mouse and keyboard lag and especially streaming or playback video problems(framing). Can anybody suggest an alteration that will reduce or eliminate the problem?

Here's the command line:

-tt 1500 -hp -period_iterations_num 8 -high_perf -high_prec_timer -sbs 1024 -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64 -use_sleep


My only alternative now is shutting boinc down when using other programs, and then I forget to restart it.

Thanks.

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Message 1897679 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:17:27 UTC - in response to Message 1897677.  

Reduce your -tt to 500 and up your -period_iterations to 10 or 15.
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Message 1897682 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:31:42 UTC

Thanks Keith, I'm making those changes now.

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Message 1897686 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 1:07:18 UTC

Change, test, and iterate until the system keyboard and mouse lags reduce to tolerable.
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Message 1897689 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 1:20:39 UTC - in response to Message 1897677.  
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My only alternative now is shutting boinc down when using other programs, and then I forget to restart it.

Hey, DG,
If it's just certain apps, you can make BOINC suspend and restart automatically, as well.
From BOINCManager, Options>Exclusive Applications...> Suspend>All/GPU only>specific apps to suspend on
I don't generally need that, but do add CD/DVD burning software just in case it's an issue.

FWIW, my current mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt is:

-tt 1500 -period_iterations_num 1 -high_perf -sbs 1024 -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64

Machine is Win10Pro, Q9650 C2Q 3.0ghz w/8gig ram and two 750TIs.
If I experience lags, (rare), I generally exit then restart Firefox and Solitaire, and if necessary do a reboot. Only place I see lags is on Solitaire, and I tend to think that's more an issue with those (not supported on win7+) apps.
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Message 1897724 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 10:43:53 UTC - in response to Message 1897672.  

They're obsoleting PCs based on what CPU is running in them, they're not allowing upgrades by what CPU is running in them, they're preventing older OSs such as Win7 from running on a PC based on the CPU in them and now they want to charge for a license based on the CPU in a new PC? Is there no stopping those greedy bastards? -_-

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Well since they haven't yet decided to only allow it to run on M$ made boxes, they still have some ways to go yet.

Hi Gary,

Wouldn't they be shootin' themselves in the foot if they went that route? That, to me, would look like a MAJOR drop in Windoze PCs. ( unless they plan to buy up ALL the PC and parts manufacturers ;) )

But yeah, you're right, they do have a long ways to go... ;)

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Message 1897735 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 13:37:10 UTC - in response to Message 1897724.  

Microsoft doesn't run OEM Windows on their own hardware, that would be stupid. The message I posted about with the price rises was about OEM Windows 10 Pro and OEM Windows 10 Workstation, so think HP, Toshiba, Dell, etc.
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