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Message 1797326 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 7:06:08 UTC

I know last month's rollup was basically a waste of being a rollup, as it only contained two fixes.

Apparently, my WSUS service decided to forget how to access the database, so I haven't been able to see what updates have shown up for this month (my laptop has updates turned off, and this machine only contacts WSUS).

So I'm trying to figure out how to get the WSUS service working again. I ran the WSUS installer and it detected that it was already installed and asked if I wanted to remove it, so I told it yes, and it goes straight to the "finished" screen saying "setup encountered and unknown error and no changes were made." It doesn't explain anything, and the event viewer just says there was a failed installation, but doesn't give an actual reason. I suspect when I was testing a GPU in that machine a few days ago and the system locked-up, it may have corrupted the DB.
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Message 1797525 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 8:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 1797308.  

Of my 7 machines, 3 are on Win10. Two others not upgraded because the upgrade didn't load (tried twice) and I am keeping this one (an Acer Travelmate running Win7 Pro) so I can still write Word documents without having to pay £106 for l Office 365.
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Message 1797789 - Posted: 21 Jun 2016, 22:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1797525.  

Of my 7 machines, 3 are on Win10. Two others not upgraded because the upgrade didn't load (tried twice) and I am keeping this one (an Acer Travelmate running Win7 Pro) so I can still write Word documents without having to pay £106 for l Office 365.


Does your company have an employee benefit that allows you to purchase major software at a greatly reduced cost? My Office Pro 2007 was getting a little long in the tooth on my Win7 Ultimate (x64), and I was able to purchase Office Pro Plus 2016 for $26 USD ($10 for d/l'ed software & $16 for backup CD) through my wife's company. I chose this version of Office as opposed to 365 because I didn't want anything on Microsoft's cloud.

One of the first things I did was to disable the One Drive. You might want to give it a try.


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Message 1797889 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 7:05:54 UTC

Any opinions on the May 2016 rollup: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161608 ?
Especially this component got my interest: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161647
It is a new update client... :?
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Message 1797975 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 16:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 1797889.  

Any opinions on the May 2016 rollup: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161608 ?
Especially this component got my interest: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161647
It is a new update client... :?

June* 2016 rollup.

And yes, that is a new update client buried in there, and no way to isolate that from the rest. Sooo.... you can either roll with it.. or just decide this is the point in time where you turn updates off and make sure you've got a decent antivirus and don't go to strange websites.
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Message 1797996 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:12:26 UTC

Anyone tested the new update client already?
From reading the corresponding article (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161647) it seems to not include the telemetry and win 10 "enhancements". :?

* An optimization that addresses long scan time for updates that's reported on some computers.
* Fix for a Windows Update error 0x8007000E on some computers while they are updating.
* Some reliability improvements.

Will wait for further investigation
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Message 1798005 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:29:25 UTC

To be completely transparent here, I just outright don't trust any of the new clients that have been released after 3035583 first showed up. Sure, the October client fixes that memory leak issue.. but it isn't clear about what else it does in the background. So personally.. I'm not trusting any of the new clients.

But that's a choice for each one of you to decide on your own.
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Message 1798013 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 19:35:17 UTC

I may not have been exactly clear in my question about the big Win 7 rollup update a few posts up, the one I am referring to is the Update for Windows 7 (KB3125574) which has a large number of updates rolled into one convenient package, which lessens the number that have to be downloaded when doing the windows update the normal way online. Anyone know much about that one and what (if any) undesireable things may be lurking inside? Or did they remove all the controversial stuff before publishing it?

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Message 1798021 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 20:23:36 UTC

From the
“Wow, they just don't get it” file:

Microsoft Is Spying On what You Code

Can be mitigated as described by these instructions.

Initially brought to light on reddit.com.  The comments make for a good read, like the following from emergent_properties

“I was a Windows fanboy.
I defended Windows XP's Fisher Prince Luna interface way back a decade ago.
I defended Windows Vista because it was just unfamiliar and Windows 7 was their successful attempt at capturing the same magic, so I recommended that to everyone I knew.
No longer.
Microsoft has turned Windows into the Bill Cosby of operating systems.”

That last line is a helluva summation.
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Message 1798026 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 20:51:04 UTC - in response to Message 1798021.  
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From the
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Microsoft Is Spying On what You Code

The fiduciary duty to the shareholder, the legal requirement to use EVERY method to make money. You are right, some people don't get what that means in combination with data mining.

<ed>And who knows if they got a NSL?
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Message 1798079 - Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 2:34:20 UTC - in response to Message 1798021.  

Good links.

I like this comment: -

"And still there are people saying that you just need to flip one switch in the control panel to turn it all off."
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Message 1798705 - Posted: 25 Jun 2016, 21:37:13 UTC
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Well, I fixed my WSUS server. I figured out why the DB crashed. The 320gb PATA drive that it was on--which had some bad sectors after ~240gb (so I made a 200gb partition and left it at that)--had the bad sectors spread like cancer. Turns out.. the DB itself, near the beginning of the drive.. resided on at least 30 bad sectors.

So I pulled that drive, and replaced it with a WD 640gb Blue that I had laying around. Seems like the DB is working now and doesn't time-out and give-up and reset frequently... because the DB can actually be read and accessed correctly now.

Anyway, as I'm digging through approving all the updates on a clean install of 2k3 and a new WSUS DB.. I found a block of 48 variations of the same update: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3012973 (I Know it says it doesn't exist, but...it does exist). It is listed in WSUS as "upgrade to Windows 10 Home/Pro/Pro N/Education/Education N, x86/x64 from Windows 7/8.1". So.. that's another one I'm declining.

In a short while.. I'll post a current "updates to avoid" list.
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Message 1798727 - Posted: 25 Jun 2016, 22:46:56 UTC - in response to Message 1785034.  

"updates to avoid", version 9:

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3012973 - The actual upgrade to Windows 10.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3058168 - This update allows 8.1 Key Management Service (KMS) hosts to upgrade to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7.
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3079821 - Same as KB3058168, but for Windows 7.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3123862 - This update adds capabilities to some computers that lets users easily learn about Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10. (read: "nags you with propaganda until you give-in")
KB 3135445 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - February 2016.
KB 3135449 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - February 2016.
KB 3138612 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - March 2016.
KB 3138615 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - March 2016.
KB 3139929 - Update for IE9. It does fix some issues, but stealthily installs 3146449, which is an IE 11 update that gives win7/8.1 an upgrade path to 10. This update has been dubbed "when a security update is not a security update"
KB 3146449 - Updates IE 11's capabilities to upgrade 7/8.1 to 10. This one is not stand-alone, it is embedded within 3139929.
KB 3150513 - "May 2016 Compatibility Update" - improves the nagging mechanism to coerce you into getting 10 whether you want it or not.
KB 3161608 - June 2016 update rollup. (Everything in this one looks okay, except for the new update client (3161647) that is embedded in it. I'm avoiding it for that reason.)

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Message 1798972 - Posted: 27 Jun 2016, 8:54:30 UTC

Attention:
The June update rollup for Windows 8.1 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161606)
also contains a new update client! (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3163023)
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Message 1798986 - Posted: 27 Jun 2016, 14:29:37 UTC

MS pays out $10K to Windows 10 victim

A few days after Microsoft released Windows 10 to the public last year, Teri Goldstein’s computer started trying to download and install the new operating system.

The update, which she says she didn’t authorize, failed. Instead, the computer she uses to run her Sausalito, Calif., travel-agency business slowed to a crawl. It would crash, she says, and be unusable for days at a time.

“I had never heard of Windows 10,” Goldstein said. “Nobody ever asked me if I wanted to update.”

When outreach to Microsoft’s customer support didn’t fix the issue, Goldstein took the software giant to court, seeking compensation for lost wages and the cost of a new computer. She won. Last month, Microsoft dropped an appeal and Goldstein collected a $10,000 judgment from the company.


So, for any inconvenienced folks needing some extra cash, you have your precedent. ;^)
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Message 1799023 - Posted: 27 Jun 2016, 18:54:15 UTC - in response to Message 1798972.  

Attention:
The June update rollup for Windows 8.1 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161606)
also contains a new update client! (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3163023)

Noted. I didn't know about the June 8.1 rollup when I made the list. Since it is right there above.. I don't think I need to re-post it just yet.
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Message 1799204 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 11:47:02 UTC - in response to Message 1798986.  

MS pays out $10K to Windows 10 victim

A few days after Microsoft released Windows 10 to the public last year, Teri Goldstein’s computer started trying to download and install the new operating system.

The update, which she says she didn’t authorize, failed. Instead, the computer she uses to run her Sausalito, Calif., travel-agency business slowed to a crawl. It would crash, she says, and be unusable for days at a time.

“I had never heard of Windows 10,” Goldstein said. “Nobody ever asked me if I wanted to update.”

When outreach to Microsoft’s customer support didn’t fix the issue, Goldstein took the software giant to court, seeking compensation for lost wages and the cost of a new computer. She won. Last month, Microsoft dropped an appeal and Goldstein collected a $10,000 judgment from the company.


So, for any inconvenienced folks needing some extra cash, you have your precedent. ;^)



It's not a simple matter of being inconvenienced. The unwanted upgrade really screwed with her business. Even though she owned a business, not everyone owning a business is tech savvy. She had no idea what Windows 10 was, and had no desire to install it. This was and still is a matter of forcing a new operating system on people that did not and do not want it, through the guise of a technical update. I can understand her frustration, as my experience with this abortion of an OS lasted less then 24 hrs. I was very surprised she was not awarded more in damages, and I will be even greater surprised if others didn't sue over this. I'm still waiting for the class action suit and the EU or some other court telling M$S to stick up their ar#@se and fix it, especially the data mining.


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Message 1799216 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 13:35:59 UTC - in response to Message 1799204.  

>>>> I was very surprised she was not awarded more in damages, <<<<


From the ComputerWorld article:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089071/microsoft-windows/customer-wins-10k-judgement-from-microsoft-over-unauthorized-windows-10-upgrade.html

In March, her claim was heard. Goldstein came prepared with documentation, including years of her firm's revenue to show the losses caused by the lack of a working PC. Microsoft, on the other hand, sent someone from the local retail store, not an attorney.

"This very honest kid came in, and said they had pulled him out of the store at 4:30 to go to court," said Goldstein. "They didn't even prepare for it."


Basing her claim on a section in the California Uniform Commercial Code, and arguing that the forced upgrade was non-consensual and resulted in lost wages, Goldstein was awarded the $10,000 judgment. Microsoft originally said it would appeal, but then ditched the idea and paid her the $10,000 last month.

"The company dropped its appeal to avoid the expense of further litigation," a Microsoft spokesman said in an email reply to questions today.
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Message 1799235 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 15:01:38 UTC - in response to Message 1799204.  

MS pays out $10K to Windows 10 victim

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So, for any inconvenienced folks needing some extra cash, you have your precedent. ;^)



It's not a simple matter of being inconvenienced. The unwanted upgrade really screwed with her business. Even though she owned a business, not everyone owning a business is tech savvy. She had no idea what Windows 10 was, and had no desire to install it. This was and still is a matter of forcing a new operating system on people that did not and do not want it, through the guise of a technical update. I can understand her frustration, as my experience with this abortion of an OS lasted less then 24 hrs. I was very surprised she was not awarded more in damages, and I will be even greater surprised if others didn't sue over this. I'm still waiting for the class action suit and the EU or some other court telling M$S to stick up their ar#@se and fix it, especially the data mining.

Greetings Cliff,

Micro$oft has made it illegal to hit them with a class action suit in their EULA.
"You understand and acknowledge that by agreeing to binding arbitration, you are giving up the right to litigate (or participate in as a party or class member) all disputes in court before a judge or jury," the EULA states in clause 18.1.4.

Who the he!! is Micro$oft that they think they can take a right away, from end users of their crappy products, to enter into a class action suit against them?

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