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Message 1792645 - Posted: 1 Jun 2016, 18:30:05 UTC - in response to Message 1792634.  

I acttually paid for Win 8 licences for the Vista machines so I could then upgrade to Win 10.

I haven't paid that close attn, I guess I had presumed that any currently supported OS (including Vista for about another year) was eligible for the free upgrade. I especially assumed that considering the lengths they are going to trying to get all those Win7/8 peoples computers 'upgraded' to 10. I figured it was a no brainer for them, that they would like to suck as many people into their new world as they could. Learned something, thank you!

The future belongs to Android and iOS not Windows [on those devices].

Thought I'd add that little caveat for you. ;-)

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Message 1794606 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 2:52:51 UTC

It's baaaaaaack!

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Message 1794698 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 12:46:38 UTC - in response to Message 1794606.  

It's baaaaaaack!

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Poof, and gone it is. Until the next revision.
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Message 1794837 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 22:36:31 UTC
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Yesterday I encountered real-life case of auto-upgrading.
It was my collegue's notebook that did auto-updated w/o his consent (actually he was AFK to kitchen just for few mins to found the upgrade proces started on his return).
Update took ~1,5h and was real disaster. Few mission-critical programs refused to work under Win10 so his everyday work activity was ruined.
Fortunately I was able to revert update back to Windows 8.1 (by stock means, it's still allowed) filling questionary why I reverting back and hitting quite a lot confirmation buttons that "I'm sure I wanna drop wonderful Win10 and return to stone age of Win8.1" so to speak.
Auto-install of recommended updates was enabled on that notebook.
So, beware!
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Message 1794842 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 22:56:14 UTC - in response to Message 1794837.  

Fortunately I was able to revert update back to Windows 8.1 (by stock means, it's still allowed) filling questionary why I reverting back and hitting quite a lot confirmation buttons that "I'm sure I wanna drop wonderful Win10 and return to stone age of Win8.1" so to speak.


You can also revert by just clicking Decline on the EULA then confirming:


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Message 1794848 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 23:13:52 UTC - in response to Message 1794842.  

Fortunately I was able to revert update back to Windows 8.1 (by stock means, it's still allowed) filling questionary why I reverting back and hitting quite a lot confirmation buttons that "I'm sure I wanna drop wonderful Win10 and return to stone age of Win8.1" so to speak.


You can also revert by just clicking Decline on the EULA then confirming:


As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue.
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Message 1794853 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 23:20:49 UTC - in response to Message 1794848.  
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As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue.


Ah, then they must have consented then prior. The EULA is presented during the install process. It's the only way to back out at that point without it installing and requiring reversion.
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Message 1794857 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 23:46:58 UTC - in response to Message 1794853.  

As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue.


Ah, then they must have consented then prior. The EULA is presented during the install process. It's the only way to back out at that point without it installing and requiring reversion.

It's one of the reasons M$ has been copping so much flack for the way they are pushing the upgrades.

When they changed the status of the upgrade from "Optional" to "Recommended" the result was that Win10 became just like all the other Windows updates. If you have Windows update set to "Automatically download & install updates" that's what it does, downloads & then installs the update. Since Win10 is now considered the same as a normal update, it gets installed.
No need to agree to the EULA as you already agreed to the update by selecting "Automatically download & install updates" for Windows Update.

The last time Win10 was made a "Recommended update" there was a huge backlash, so it was reverted back to a "Optional update". I'm guessing they've changed it back to "Recommended" again.


Anyone that has Windows Update set to "Notify me of any new updates" won't have this problem.
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Message 1794863 - Posted: 9 Jun 2016, 23:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1794853.  

As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue.


Ah, then they must have consented then prior. The EULA is presented during the install process. It's the only way to back out at that point without it installing and requiring reversion.

As I already mentioned in this thread. I left a Windows 7 VM running with auto update enabled. Then I came back it to to find it running Windows 10. The only purpose of that VM was to see if an auto install of Windows 10 would happen.
It would seem that if auto update is enabled it is taken as consent to install Windows 10.
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Message 1795025 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 11:24:10 UTC

Well MS aggressive marketing seems to be working here & also causing some issues. Have had 6 systems in this week (4 laptops, 2 desktops, Intel/AMD) all with the same issue.

ALL had gone for the "Free" update to Win 10 & installed it. On the final reboot, systems got stuck in an "automatic repair" mode with no progress.

Fortuately all are regulars who I have recovery disks for.

Have another 5 coming this weekend with the very same issue.

All systems were running Win 7 Home 64.

WHAT are the odds that they all made the same mistake?
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Message 1795048 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 13:40:20 UTC

WHAT are the odds that they all made the same mistake?
100%. The mistake was believing without question what M$ said.

Those not learning from the lessons of Millennium and VISTA are now reliving those lessons.

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Message 1795160 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 17:45:33 UTC

Hmm.. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this one: [url=https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry]

Recently Reddit user "sammiesdog" posted claims that Visual Studio's C++ compiler was automatically adding function calls to Microsoft's telemetry services. The screenshot accompanying their post showed how a simple 5 line CPP file produced an assembly language file that included a function call titled "telemetry_main_invoke_trigger".

The ensuing discussion then revolved around how to disable this unannounced “feature” while also speculating its purpose. “sammiesdog” noted that this appears in release builds, while user “ssylvan” also indicated that it appeared in debug builds too. The telemetry function is intended to communicate with ETW.

...

telemetry_main_invoke_trigger was found in both Debug and Release builds when the project was compiled under both Windows 7 and Windows 10.

...

The ensuing controversy and conversation about the discovery of this function led to a response from Microsoft’s Steve Carroll, Development Manager for the Visual C++ team. First and foremost in his response is the unequivocal statement that this functionality will be removed in Visual Studio 2015’s Update 3.

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Message 1796483 - Posted: 16 Jun 2016, 2:12:50 UTC

From AskWoody.com regarding June 2016 Patch Tuesday:
Reminder: We’re still at MS-DEFCON 2 – don’t install anything
Posted on June 15th, 2016 at 05:13
It’s easy to get confused.

I’ll be talking about ways to speed up Windows Update, but I’m NOT actually recommending that you install the latest crop of patches.

The speed-up discussion isn’t intended to be an endorsement of this month’s patches. It’s not.

Rather, I want to get all the facts out on the table for folks who will be updating, at some point.

Right now, unless you absolutely NEED a specific patch (and I doubt that many of you do), sit tight. Watch the world haggle out the best patching method.


Many people are having BIG PROBLEMS with KB3159398 on Windows 7... Best Advice NOT TO INSTALL (unless you want to spend lots of time trying to fix a broken system).
SOURCE: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/176234-Problem-with-KB3159398-(MS16-072)-User-GPO
Problem with KB3159398 (MS16-072) - User GPO
We normally auto-approve Microsoft security udpates. This morning went sideways because KB3159398 caused some of our User GPOs to not apply - resulting in removal of the items that these GPOs provide.

Our discovery is that this KB caused User GPOs with Security Filtering for select staff to not apply.

The resolution was to use WSUS to Approve the removal of this KB.

Hopefully this post will save you time.


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Message 1796555 - Posted: 16 Jun 2016, 7:17:47 UTC

The Group Policy Object problem with KB3159398 will probably only affect workers attached to corporate networks - that may include some people here, but they'll know who they are. And they won't be doing their own updates anyway.

I only saw one non-security update, and it said it was for time-zone changes only. I went ahead and installed, and no ill-effects so far.
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Message 1796592 - Posted: 16 Jun 2016, 13:28:16 UTC - in response to Message 1796555.  

The Group Policy Object problem with KB3159398 will probably only affect workers attached to corporate networks - that may include some people here, but they'll know who they are. And they won't be doing their own updates anyway.

I only saw one non-security update, and it said it was for time-zone changes only. I went ahead and installed, and no ill-effects so far.


Owing to the fact that I don't care about time zone changes elsewhere, I hid that one as well.

Also since I have IE 11 disabled, I hid that update as well.

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Message 1797198 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 17:32:39 UTC

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Message 1797225 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 18:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 1797198.  

Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks
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Message 1797292 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 1:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 1797225.  
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Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks

You are right, but i think the last list is still ok, cause the last bunch of updates was mainly (as far as i can tell!!) mainly ok... ?!

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Ok, you still have to hide the (re-released) updates, that pop up again from time to time, but they are already in the list...
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Message 1797299 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 1:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 1797292.  

Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks

You are right, but i think the last list is still ok, cause the last bunch of updates was mainly (as far as i can tell!!) mainly ok... ?!

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Ok, you still have to hide the (re-released) updates, that pop up again from time to time, but they are already in the list...

As far as I can tell, this is correct. There hasn't been anything new to avoid since version 8 of the list.
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Message 1797308 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 2:41:29 UTC

Quick question, are any of the updates in the new Win 7 rollup that they just released a month or so ago for those of us who'd like to shorten the update process when loading a fresh install, that need to be removed? Or are all of those included with it A-Ok, and it's the next run of Windows update online that needs to be scrutinized closely? Just want to be clear on it, as I've used it once since I downloaded it, it does shorten the list of needed downloads, but at least for me didn't seem to significantly shorten the time that the 1st update after it was installed took to grind thru to show me the next set of supposedly needed updates.

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