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Message 1784994 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 16:55:47 UTC

And the saga continues...

Posted today
KB3150513 is another Windows 10 update patch
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Message 1785034 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 20:53:08 UTC

It's been long enough, and there's three new ones to add.

"updates to avoid", version 8:

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3058168 - This update allows 8.1 Key Management Service (KMS) hosts to upgrade to 10.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7.
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3079821 - Same as KB3058168, but for Windows 7.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3123862 - This update adds capabilities to some computers that lets users easily learn about Windows 10 or start an upgrade to Windows 10. (read: "nags you with propaganda until you give-in")
KB 3135445 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - February 2016.
KB 3135449 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - February 2016.
KB 3138612 - New Update Client for Windows 7 - March 2016.
KB 3138615 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1 - March 2016.
KB 3139929 - Update for IE9. It does fix some issues, but stealthily installs 3146449, which is an IE 11 update that gives win7/8.1 an upgrade path to 10. This update has been dubbed "when a security update is not a security update"
KB 3146449 - Updates IE 11's capabilities to upgrade 7/8.1 to 10. This one is not stand-alone, it is embedded within 3139929.
KB 3150513 - "May 2016 Compatibility Update" - improves the nagging mechanism to coerce you into getting 10 whether you want it or not.

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Message 1785036 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 20:57:17 UTC

I figured it was time for an updated list, since there hasn't been a refresh to that list in a while. Only the three green updates at the end were added, and the second one of those isn't even stand-alone.

It's been a bit of a calm/dry spell, which is not at all a bad thing. But for those who are naturally cautious and skeptical, this does feel a bit like "the calm before the storm."

Also surprising, given that there was a pretty steady run of new update clients for 7 and 8.1 every single month for 7 or 8 months there.. there has not been one for April or May. I think that is what concerns me the most in this semi-dry spell. If there were no updates that were specifically marked as new update clients... were they maybe stealthily included in security updates or just simply called something entirely unrelated? Or is the March update client so perfect that it does not need any more improvements?
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Message 1785037 - Posted: 5 May 2016, 21:01:55 UTC

Thanks, as always, C_O.

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Message 1785096 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 2:29:23 UTC

I just received this email more good news from the money grubbing slimeballs at M$
Another reason to build your own 'cloud storage' I'm moving everything to my NAS.

Changes to OneDrive
We want to let you know about some upcoming changes to OneDrive. On August 10, 2016, the amount of storage that comes with OneDrive will change from 15 GB to 5 GB. We are also discontinuing the 15 GB camera roll bonus. You can learn more at our FAQ.
There is no action you need to take, because your OneDrive account is currently below the new storage limits. Even though you aren't currently affected, we want to keep you updated on all important changes to OneDrive. If you'd like to check your account, you can visit the Storage page.
We realize these are big changes to a service you rely on. We want to apologize for any inconvenience they may cause you. We made a difficult decision, but it's one that will let us sustainably operate OneDrive into the future.
Thank you for using OneDrive.
– The OneDrive Team


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Message 1785110 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 4:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 1686752.  

its better then vista and 8 any day.
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Message 1785143 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 7:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 1785096.  
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I got the same email a couple of months ago ,way things are going int exactly a surprise is it
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Message 1785162 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 9:17:28 UTC

Windows 10 adoption hits 300 million as Microsoft warns the free upgrade will end soon
If you haven't upgraded from Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 by July 29, expect to pay more than $100 to do so later.

“If you’ve already upgraded to Windows 10 –- thank you. If you haven’t upgraded yet –- we hope you’ll consider upgrading today,” Yusuf Mehdi, the corporate vice president of Microsoft’s Windows and Devices Group, said in a blog post.

Why this matters: Expect Microsoft to sound the drums of doom as we near that July deadline—both in the press as well as the PC. If you multiply the 300 million devices by $119, you get a whopping figure of over $35 billion—a very poor estimate, but the magnitude of the fees Microsoft would have charged for the upgrade. (Far fewer would have paid to upgrade than those 300 million device owners, but still.) Like the robocalls from candidates seeking your money, expect Microsoft to ping your older PC to upgrade now, before it’s too late.

But these upgrades—accepted or not—have also been disruptive. Most recently, a newscast was interrupted with an upgrade notification, as was a live Twitch stream. Erik Flom was playing Counter-Strike in front of a reported 120,000 people when his computer spontaneously launched the upgrade process. Expect more of these sorts of stories as July nears.


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Message 1785217 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 15:24:39 UTC

"Microsoft removes store-blocking from Windows 10 Pro"

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36226372

I think this will be one more reason for even businesses to turn off updates completely. If M$ did this now, what will they do next so why take a chance. The cure could be worse than the disease. There is only the chance of someone taking advantage of a vulnerability while things like this are almost a certainty if updates are left on.
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Message 1785237 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 16:42:15 UTC

The Microsoft Security Intelligence Report (isn't that a contradictio in terminis, Microsoft, Security and Intelligence in one sentence?) writes that between July 2015 and December 2015 malware infections increased a lot on Windows computers.

Hmmm, wonder how they got that data.
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Message 1785273 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 19:26:00 UTC
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Not having problems with Win 10 and being overall quite happy with it I have not posted in this thread much.

However after the "One Drive" email, I also got this.


Dear User,

Earlier this year we introduced a new Outl‍ook‍.‍com that will help you collaborate with others, focus on what matters, and get more done. The new Outlo‍ok‍.‍com delivers an exciting set of new experiences across web, phone, and desktop, and we’re eager for you to start using it.


It appears that you are currently using Windows Live Mail 2012 to connect to your Out‍look‍.‍com account. Windows Live Mail 2012 does not support the synchronization technologies used by the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com. When account upgrades begin at the end of June, you will no longer be able to receive email sent to your Out‍look‍.‍com account in Windows Live Mail 2012. Rest assured, you can always access your email by logging into Out‍look‍.‍com from any web browser, and you will continue to have access to all your data that is currently in Windows Live Mail 2012.


If you currently use Windows Live Mail 2012, we recommend that you switch to the Mail app in Windows to‍day. The Mail app is built in to Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10, and has a more modern design. To begin using it, simply launch the app and add your Out‍look‍.‍com account.


If you are using Windows 7, you can upgrade to a newer version of Windows to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits. If you do not wish to upgrade, you can access your account via a web browser, or, you can take advantage of a free one-year subscription of Office 365 Personal, and use Outl‍ook 2016 to connect to your account.* This Off‍ice 365 subscription also includes other productivity applications such as Word, PowerPoint and Excel. It works on Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1, and Windows 10.


Please take action before Ju‍ne 30th, 2016, which is when we’ll begin upgrading accounts that currently use Windows Live Mail 2012. If you have more questions, please find answers to common FAQs in this help article, or you can contact Microsoft support.


We recognize that changes like this can be difficult, and apologize for any inconvenience this causes you. We hope that you’ll enjoy the benefits of moving to the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com.



Now I have used Live Mail as my mail programme for may years, I have collected over the years 6 email accounts and Live mail allows me to easily see them in an easy to use format, the new "mail" program in Win 8/10 is, well a kiddies toy in comparison.

So It does seem that they want everyone to toe their line. I have already saved all my files for one drive and deleted it from my PC.

Next I will be changing all places I use my "Hotmail" address to Gmail.

Anyone recommend a good e-mail program?
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Message 1785283 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 20:30:35 UTC - in response to Message 1785273.  

Anyone recommend a good e-mail program?

I've been using Mozilla's Thunderbird as my e-mail client since at least 2007 and it serves my needs quite well.
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Message 1785287 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 20:50:49 UTC

A second vote for Thunderbird
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Message 1785288 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 20:54:58 UTC - in response to Message 1785287.  

A second vote for Thunderbird


A 3rd vote.............


Stay here on Earth. It's the only planet with DARK CHOCOLATE !!

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Message 1785292 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 21:09:55 UTC

4th'd, no issues here using Thunderbird with outlook.

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Message 1785296 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 21:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 1785283.  

Long live what remains of Eudora!

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Message 1785322 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 23:18:03 UTC
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4th'd, no issues here using Thunderbird with outlook.


Yes but what may happen after the "update" on 30th June?


Now I have tried T-Bird before and cannot remember the reason but I didn't like it at all, oh well, time to try again.
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Message 1785326 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 23:34:23 UTC - in response to Message 1785322.  

Now I have tried T-Bird before and cannot remember the reason but I didn't like it at all, oh well, time to try again.

When I went from Visa to Win7 I gave Thunderbird a go because that's when MS dropped the Windows Mail client.
Unfortunately I couldn't get all of my existing emails & contacts from Windows Mail to Thunderbird without an massive amount of screwing around (the import function just didn't work properly), and even then I couldn't get some things across. So that's when I ended up going with Windows Live mail as it only took a few clicks to transfer emails, contacts & account info over.
Hopefully things have improved since then.
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Message 1785327 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 23:39:51 UTC
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Well, may not be good for everyone, but i - coming from XP - use emclient, i like it!
http://emclient.com
Maybe better this url for international use:
http://www.emclient.com/?lang=en
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Message 1785328 - Posted: 6 May 2016, 23:40:13 UTC
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Avoid Windows 7 KB 3133977 on ASUS motherboards. May prevent your system from booting. Was an Optional but recently made Recommended though the issue was known.

If it boots to a red "Secure Boot Violation" screen, ASUS has posted a solution. (MS page now links to this as well... at one point their "solution" was to install Windows 10.)
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