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 Fawkesguy  Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 108 Credit: 188,578,766 RAC: 0 
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I can't speak to specific older versions, but LibreOffice has been able to save as .doc for a very long time. As for BOINC, if you install the version supplied by your distribution, it can be upgraded with a mouse click. I don't use the version supplied by Mint, I use the version supplied by seti@home. It works perfectly for me. I understand you aren't comfortable with Linux, but it really isn't the nightmare you're making it out to be. Like you, I'm no fan of the command line. It's very rare for me to need it. I do agree with you that MAC OS is extremely user-friendly. Because, at the time that I NEEDED to do this, LibreOffice DID NOT have "Save as: .doc" as an option for documents. It does now; but, NOT when I was using Ubuntu 12.04... So, I chose OpenOffice; which DID, and STILL DOES, "Save as: .doc" LibreOffice would open a .doc file; but, WOULD NOT save as .doc. ID: 1772555 ·  |
jason_gee  Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 
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I've probably had to use the command line more on MacOSX lately than on My Linux or Windows installations (And I do use the command line on all 3). It's not that there weren't GUIs for what I needed to do on these, but more that they tended to take more time if done the GUI way. The Windows GUI tended to annoying, The (Various) Linux GUI Ugly to broken, and the Mac one to patronising shiny-hipsterish-obnoxious, so probably command lines are meant for me, lol.I wish that was true, but I had to use the terminal a lot when I had my iMac. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. ID: 1772556 · |
TimeLord04  Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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All I know is now that I have MAC OS X on my PC, THAT is my main OS! I may yet still upgrade my Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro; but, now I have a choice in what I can use!!! ...And, I choose MAC! I find it cleaner, easier, and for what I need to do, NO COMMAND LINE!!! Maybe a Ping once in awhile, but that's it. I absolutely HATE and DISAGREE with what MS has done, and is continuing to do, with Windows. I don't see this direction changing anytime soon. So, again, now that I have access to MAC OS X, I will be making use of this. For those of you who DON'T HATE Command Line, and are familiar with the Linux Command Line structure, more power to you. I cannot understand the structure, I WILL NOT take the time to learn it. It took me years to master DOS up to 6.22, Windows from 3.11 for Workgroups all the way to Win 10. I DON'T want to have to know what I know about computers! I would LOVE to be an average user, just pointing and clicking to get my way through things. NOW with MAC OS, I can do just that! NOW, I DON'T have to be burdened with being a Tech Head! If I choose to learn something in MAC OS that I didn't know before, or if I one day choose to learn MAC OS Command Line; I will cross that bridge when I get there. For now, I can be what I wanted to be from the start. An average everyday Joe User! And, should my hardware die, I will just have to save money to replace said hardware and create a Hackintosh all over again. It's cheaper to build a PC and convert it to run MAC OS than it is to buy a real MAC. That's a sad state of affairs... Jobs should NEVER have killed the MAC Clone Manufacturers; but, that was his choice, and it gave birth to the Hackintosh Community. Needs will be filled... For me, I don't find Linux pleasing. Can you run QuickBooks??? I don't think so... No native games are available... At least with MAC OS, there are games available, QuickBooks is available. Things that make a computer usable to the AVERAGE Joe are AVAILABLE on MAC OS X. I just don't find this true of Linux. Linux still has a LOOOOOOONG road ahead before it becomes a main stream OS for the AVERAGE User. When it implements and standardizes Double Click to Install ALL programs THEN the Average Joe may consider switching to Linux. Those whom are SUPERIOR Tech Heads, and I guess that MANY of you here are in that category, I AM NOT ONE - stay with Linux over Windows. That is your choice. I find Linux FRUSTRATING beyond belief! There would be NO WAY I could convince my parents to switch to Linux, NOR my sister... (Sis has a REAL iMAC.) For my parents, they are stuck with what they know, and that's Windows. I choose MAC first, then Windows. Freedom is CHOICE! Thank God we have choice and freedom. MS would try to convince us there is no choice. I say go MAC! The rest of you here seem to be for Linux. We will agree to disagree, again CHOICE! TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1772586 · |
Jimbocous   Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1858 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349
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Lotta shoutin' goin' on ...  
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AMDave Send message Joined: 9 Mar 01 Posts: 234 Credit: 11,671,730 RAC: 0
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For those of you who DON'T HATE Command Line, and are familiar with the Linux Command Line structure, more power to you. Many end users abhor the CL. Back in the day, it was necessary. Today, outside of systems administration, not so much. However, there are times when the CL is necessary simply because of its ability to be more granular with its operation. Can you run QuickBooks??? I don't think so... Yes...to a point. No native games are available... Not quite Here is a (non-exhaustive) list, also 5 Best Native Linux Games And this just published on Feb 05, 2016 Linux gaming rising: 35 great games for Steam Machines and Linux From the above article: "For the first time in a long time, Linux gamers have a reason to smile. Gaming on the open-source operating system has long meant dabbling in Wine and arcane workarounds, but ever since Valve launched Steam for Linux a year-and-a-half ago the number of native Linux games has positively exploded." <not my emphasis> The second link is an article titled "Steam for Linux tops 700 games as big-name games increasingly call it home" Steam is a hub for Linux games. I'm neither a gamer nor a Linux shill, just offering some info. The bottom line is that, at present, you found what works for you and that it allows you to crunch for a good cause. ID: 1772641 · |
Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31168 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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I've probably had to use the command line more on MacOSX lately than on My Linux or Windows installations (And I do use the command line on all 3). It's not that there weren't GUIs for what I needed to do on these, but more that they tended to take more time if done the GUI way. The Windows GUI tended to annoying, The (Various) Linux GUI Ugly to broken, and the Mac one to patronising shiny-hipsterish-obnoxious, so probably command lines are meant for me, lol.I wish that was true, but I had to use the terminal a lot when I had my iMac. Those of us who go back to the "Turkey Day Finder" remember the "programmer's switch" on our Macs that dropped you into the debugger. There wasn't a command line in that version, and you needed a LISA for code development. I'm not a normal user so how often I use the command line isn't a datum. But as TL says, a normal user on a mac may never know that there is a command line. 
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31168 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Can you run QuickBooks??? I don't think so... Actually you can't. None of those versions will "function" today. The IRS has changed the format of the 1099/1096 forms and those versions will not print the correct form. Also you must use 2014 or later to access the payroll module or the credit card module. I also doubt you can export to Excel as some of the tax reports require. I won't even go into "credit reduction states" as those are new tax laws. So while those old versions won't crash, they can't do useful work.
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River Song  Send message Joined: 30 Jul 15 Posts: 268 Credit: 1,735,966 RAC: 0
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TL[/quote] I HATE COMMAND LINE!!!! MAC OS X does NOT require the average user to know ANY command line. EVERYTHING is done via GUI and Double Click! NOT Linux!!! TL[/quote] Sad to say, but a new Macbook Pro DOES have some "command lines." Consider the following: If you go in to the /Applications folder and down to the Utilities folder, open that. There's a program called Terminal. Double click that and you get a window with a command line prompt. It is unix after all. Type in uname -a followed by return. A line should come out. If there is an x86_64 in that line, probably out on the far right hand end, it's a 64 bit processor. If it says i686 it's 32 bit. Alas, so much for perfection, huh? :( River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth) "Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO" ID: 1772647 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21668 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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... When it implements and standardizes Double Click to Install ALL programs THEN the Average Joe may consider switching to Linux. The double-click install anything from anywhere (for good or for bad) is very much a Microsoft way of things. There are better ways. Why should the rest of the world be forever stifled to forevermore only do things the Microsoft way? Is that not a way of lock-in and stifled choice?... Linux is thankfully not Microsoft. Just as the Macs and Android are different, so are the various Linux distro. All are as user friendly as far as those users are willing to see and use something new. They are all similar enough that any new ways are easily learnt. Try not to leave yourself trapped in old habits! Your choice as to which you prefer. Myself, I very much prefer the cool choice of Linux and the freedoms that I can enjoy with that choice. (Part of that freedom is enjoying more of my time for myself rather than suffering silly malware!) IT is what we allow it to be, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1772821 · |
Mike  Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34452 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 
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Linux is thankfully not Microsoft. Just as the Macs and Android are different, so are the various Linux distro. All are as user friendly as far as those users are willing to see and use something new. They are all similar enough that any new ways are easily learnt. Try not to leave yourself trapped in old habits! Sorry i have to disagree here Martin. So long its not fully explained somewhere how to get new hardware included in a running system Linux is not ready for everybody. I like it my self but had some issues to get my new GPU fully working after my other died. And i call my self a techy guy. Some may disagree on this. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. ID: 1772827 · |
JaundicedEye  Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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Reported today in The Verge: Microsoft has screwed up its Windows Phone upgrades once again. While the software maker promised that all Lumia Windows Phone 8 devices would be upgraded to Windows 10, it's breaking that promise. Microsoft started rolling out Windows 10 Mobile to existing Lumia devices this week, and revealed that handsets like the Lumia 920 and Lumia 1020 will be stuck on Windows Phone 8. Here's the full list of officially supported Lumia devices:  "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1772846 · |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23
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... When it implements and standardizes Double Click to Install ALL programs THEN the Average Joe may consider switching to Linux. MAC also uses Double Click to install ALL apps and programs; so, NOT just a Microsoft thing. Without Double Click to install one is TRAPPED into having to learn 30 Command Lines to install MOST anything in Linux! (As per my experiences with Slackware, Ubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 14.04.) I SHOULDN'T have to know 30 Command Lines to do anything! As a User, (NOT Power User, NOT Tech Head), ALL I should have to do is Double Click to install... That is my choice; so, I'll stick with MAC and Win. (The way Win is going, it'll be just MAC at some point, soon.) OH, and getting my GTX-750 TI SC working with Clover Boot Loader and Manager took a GUI approach in Clover Configurator. One switch ticked, (nvda_drv=1), after having installed the Alternate NVIDIA Drivers, and I was booting flawlessly into OS X El Capitan on my PC! LOOOOOVVVE Hackintosh! Makes MAC OS available to ANY Intel PC owner! :-) LOOOOVE MAC OS X!!! Will be saving my coins for StarCraft II for MAC. (Can't run that in Linux - NATIVELY!!!) TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 1772852 · |
Siran d'Vel'nahr  Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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... When it implements and standardizes Double Click to Install ALL programs THEN the Average Joe may consider switching to Linux. Greetings Time, I'm no Linux Guru or anything, but from my experience with it, it does not take "30 command line commands" to install anything. Not that I have seen. You go to the repository find what you want to install click it and click install. 30 years ago Linux may have need 30 commands on the command line to install something, but not today. And I highly doubt that back 30 years ago it would have taken 30. Just my opinion... :) Keep on BOINCing...! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath ID: 1772911 · |
HAL9000  Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57
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Linux used to be quite a pain < 10 years ago. To install something you might have to go through several rounds of updating libs just to get an installer to run. Then find out you needed to update another 10 to get the application working. Where as with MAC or Windows you would normally have a prompt "You need to have X installed. Do you want to install it now?". However Linux has gotten a lot better about that kind of issue. With required packages getting pulled down from the internet automagically in modern mainstream distros. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours  Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[
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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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From Tech Republic: Windows 10 rollout: Unwary small firms complain of unwanted upgrades. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-rollout-unwary-small-firms-complain-of-unwanted-upgrades/?ftag=TREe331754&bhid=21809038550286542819284845336453 Sounds like some other voices are being 'raised in the wilderness'. It's not just us 'techie geeks' anymore. The Big Brother is starting to annoy a greater circle of users, maybe the geniuses in Redmond that do customer relations will finally listen.............Naaaw, hubris and critical thought are mutually exclusive. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1773132 · |
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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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From Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2016/03/21/microsoft-backtracks-on-windows-7-and-windows-8-intel-skylake-support-cuts/#2402049250a1 "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1773167 · |
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River Song Send message Joined: 30 Jul 15 Posts: 268 Credit: 1,735,966 RAC: 0
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Question on GWX Control Panel... Of the 2 versions available, I did not install the "install" version, but chose the .exe one. Was I wrong? If I wanted to try the "install" one, could I just download it and do so, or must I uninstall the .exe one first? How do I do that? I had a frightening 1/2 hour yesterday and think it may have to do with GWX .exe. I can't be sure but GWX is the only thing I've installed on my Win 7 64 bit in months. I had done a "pin to start menu" on it and saw the "10" show up there. Days after either my Malwarebytes or McAfee antivirus did a reboot as one found something bad. The "10" vanished from the start menu. I tried to view a video and was told that "flash" wasn't working. I rebooted to try to fix it and, for the first time since I bought this OS, my reboot only went 1/2 way and would not complete. I tried everything, nothing worked. I cudn't do a restart to get to 'Task Manager.' I was forced to unplug my PC. When I again applied power the same thing happened, a "1/2 way" boot. I sat, with tears in my eyes, for several minutes and UN-plugged power again. On THIS boot, all went fine. I looked at the GWX Control Panel in the Start Menu, right-clicked it, and saw it was still set to "pin to start menu" BUT the "10" icon was NOT visible in my start menu. I clicked to "un-pin from start menu" as I worried something was fishy with GWX. I then selected "pin to taskbar" and saw the "10" icon show up there. I'm worried GWX was at the root of the problem re-booting after my anti-virus found something? I may be WAY "off-base?" How to know? If I wanted to remove my version of GWX how would I do so? I don't want to as I don't want M$ to stuff Win 10 down my throat. I'm very worried. Sorry, but what happened was scary. Thank you! River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth) "Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO" ID: 1773464 · |
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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1
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Here we go again.......booted up the daily driver just now, and received a notice that 'Windows Firewall has blocked access to some features of Boinc' very interesting since I use Norton and have the Window# Firewall turned off(at least it says it's turned off). I pressed the allow access and the notice went away...?????????????? Brother getting Bigger all the time............ "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> ID: 1773684 · |
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River Song Send message Joined: 30 Jul 15 Posts: 268 Credit: 1,735,966 RAC: 0
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Trouble with GWX Control Panel Part 2 Part 1 -See Message 1773464 - Posted: 23 Mar 2016, 14:10:44 UTC =========================== GWX Control Panel, IMHO, almost destroyed my Win 7 Pro 64 bit PC. In "Part 1" of this catharsis, for lack of a better, but seldom used word, I detailed problems that I thought, but was not sure, about the possibility that GWX had almost wrecked my PC. Here, I explain the NEXT set of problems, and I'm now 99% sure GWX IS a problem. Maybe it's fine on a 32-bit Win 7 PC, or on any 8 and 8.1 PC, but NOT on MY PC. I would like to know WHAT OS, or platform, the developer of GWX used? I have to think it's not a Win 7 Pro 64 bit one. As detailed in Part 1, my PC failed to re-boot properly after one of my anti-virus problems, (McAfee or MalwareBytes), cleared a piece of malware, or watever, during the night, and did an automatic re-boot. My PC runs 24/7 to better help SETI. What I had to do to "fix" the problem was described. One result was that I clicked 'Start," right-clicked GWX Control Panel, and UN-PINNED GWX from the Start Menu on my lower right. I thought this would stop it from re-starting on boot? Then, so I could easily see its settings. I pinned it to the Taskbar on the lower left. Yesterday morning, I sleepily, with coffee cup in hand, turned on my monitor. All was fine after the earlier "boot problem." I proceeded to do my work. An hour later I got on note on-screen saying there was an up-date for MalwareBytes and asking if I wanted to install it? I clicked "Yes" and waited. The install went fine. Then a message said: "To complete the install your PC must be rebooted. Would you like to do that now?" I clicked "Yes." Then the bottom fell out of my world! The re-boot stopped half-way, as it had the day before! I had no net connection and 1/2 my start-up programs failed to load. If I clicked on my e-mail client, Mozilla TB, it would not open, neither would my Firefox browser. :( My PC was TOAST. I tried a normal re-boot, and got a screen full of stuff about "boot normally," or "boot in safe mode," etc. I clicked "boot normally." After several minutes I was back to where I was before, a 1/2-way boot. No good. The next time, on re-boot, I chose "boot in safe mode with net connection," or some such, I got a big white screen describing a myriad of possible problems. What to do? Crying was an option, and maybe a good one? One of the arcane, but unexplained, "DOS command-like cures" offered had to do with restoring my PC to an earlier point in time. Yay! Maybe I could bypass the problem, which I thought was GWX related this WAY? I clicked THAT button. I was told I could go back a week in time. No good, as I had installed GWX on 3-13, many days earlier. I clicked "more options" and "restore to 3-12" popped up. Yay! I clicked it. I saw a "Restoring" screen, then a "Welcome" screen, then the screen went totally BLACK, with an ominous larger than normal cusor jiggling in the middle! OMG, now what? I waited, and waited, minutes passed as the "black screen from hell" glared back at me. :( Then, as if the M$ programmer, who had coded it, decided he had tortured me enough, relented, and I saw my good desktop in living color! All looked GREAT. But, what is THAT? The GWX icon I had unpinned from the Start Menu had reappeared! Why? I had un-pinned it. OMG, the arcane beast is back! What to do? I went to Search / Control Panel / Uninstall Programs, but GWX was NOT listed. :( Oh, wait, I had used the .exe version of GWX and not the "install" one. I then did s search for GWX but could not find it in either download folder, one being x86. Hmmmm. In the Start I saw its icon with other programs; I right-clicked and did a delete. I then realized my "system restore" to an earlier date had, it seemed, deleted GWX from my downloads but left its icon in Start. I deleted the GWX icons in the Start area and the taskbar. Finally, with baited breath, and holding a hankie, prepared to cry, I did a re-boot. Guess what? The re-boot WORKED and all looked fine. :) Oh happy day, the bad monster is away! GWX is gone! My M$ up-dates are set to "download but let me choose" and that's it. I'll pray to the goddess to keep me safe from M$, the Redmond, WA PC wreckers. :) I cannot SAY, with 100% certainty, that GWX caused my problems, but the chain of events strongly suggest it. If you have a PC exactly like mine, a Win 7 Pro, 64 bit, circa mid 2015 version of code, from HP, be CAREFUL. What OTHER reasonable explanation is there for what I experienced with GWX? Maybe the .exe version is the culprit? Perhaps if I used the "install" version none of this would have happened? Thoughts anyone? How many of you used the .exe version as I did? I'm dismayed at not being able to protect myself from Win 10 by using GWX, but, in my experience, using it's like "throwing the baby out with the bath water." :( River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth) "Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO" ID: 1773689 · |
Ulrich Metzner  Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13
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(...) GWX control panel is just fine on Win 7 64 bit, as on all flavors of Win, that could be raped to Win 10, except 10 itself! ;) All you've had on your PC was some form of malware/virus or the like, maybe even a "bad" update from If you enable monitor mode inside GWX control panel, it will start itself on system restart, but this option has to be set by yourself and no one else. Aloha, Uli ID: 1773696 · |
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