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![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
Sad, but Win10 x64 not only spy on you, it's just SLOWER than Vista x86 (!): Vista x86: WU : PG0009_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 687.071 secs CPU 683.690 secs MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 752.248 secs, speedup: -9.49% ratio: 0.91x CPU 749.912 secs, speedup: -9.69% ratio: 0.91x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 132.475 secs, speedup: 80.72% ratio: 5.19x CPU 28.158 secs, speedup: 95.88% ratio: 24.28x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 132.631 secs, speedup: 80.70% ratio: 5.18x CPU 27.082 secs, speedup: 96.04% ratio: 25.25x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 498.186 secs, speedup: 27.49% ratio: 1.38x CPU 495.896 secs, speedup: 27.47% ratio: 1.38x WU : PG0395_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 808.595 secs CPU 805.168 secs MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 604.313 secs, speedup: 25.26% ratio: 1.34x CPU 601.992 secs, speedup: 25.23% ratio: 1.34x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 77.953 secs, speedup: 90.36% ratio: 10.37x CPU 24.945 secs, speedup: 96.90% ratio: 32.28x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 76.190 secs, speedup: 90.58% ratio: 10.61x CPU 23.026 secs, speedup: 97.14% ratio: 34.97x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 483.553 secs, speedup: 40.20% ratio: 1.67x CPU 481.263 secs, speedup: 40.23% ratio: 1.67x WU : PG0444_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 738.052 secs CPU 734.640 secs MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 565.406 secs, speedup: 23.39% ratio: 1.31x CPU 563.086 secs, speedup: 23.35% ratio: 1.30x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 73.772 secs, speedup: 90.00% ratio: 10.00x CPU 25.257 secs, speedup: 96.56% ratio: 29.09x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 72.790 secs, speedup: 90.14% ratio: 10.14x CPU 23.650 secs, speedup: 96.78% ratio: 31.06x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 452.400 secs, speedup: 38.70% ratio: 1.63x CPU 450.094 secs, speedup: 38.73% ratio: 1.63x WU : PG1327_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 499.871 secs CPU 496.567 secs MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 565.890 secs, speedup: -13.21% ratio: 0.88x CPU 563.554 secs, speedup: -13.49% ratio: 0.88x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 73.960 secs, speedup: 85.20% ratio: 6.76x CPU 20.655 secs, speedup: 95.84% ratio: 24.04x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 73.960 secs, speedup: 85.20% ratio: 6.76x CPU 17.550 secs, speedup: 96.47% ratio: 28.29x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 426.551 secs, speedup: 14.67% ratio: 1.17x CPU 424.260 secs, speedup: 14.56% ratio: 1.17x WU : reference_work_unit_v8_r3215.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 3892.964 secs CPU 3889.292 secs MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 3156.395 secs, speedup: 18.92% ratio: 1.23x CPU 3153.342 secs, speedup: 18.92% ratio: 1.23x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 331.438 secs, speedup: 91.49% ratio: 11.75x CPU 60.622 secs, speedup: 98.44% ratio: 64.16x [color=limegreen]MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 328.411 secs, speedup: 91.56% ratio: 11.85x CPU 46.207 secs, speedup: 98.81% ratio: 84.17x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 2488.933 secs, speedup: 36.07% ratio: 1.56x CPU 2485.985 secs, speedup: 36.08% ratio: 1.56x[/color] And same host under Win10 IP x64: WU : PG0009_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 687.071 secs CPU 683.690 secs Elapsed 484.336 secs, speedup: 29.51% ratio: 1.42x CPU 466.500 secs, speedup: 31.77% ratio: 1.47x MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 761.556 secs, speedup: -10.84% ratio: 0.90x CPU 755.078 secs, speedup: -10.44% ratio: 0.91x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 147.224 secs, speedup: 78.57% ratio: 4.67x CPU 45.188 secs, speedup: 93.39% ratio: 15.13x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 151.326 secs, speedup: 77.98% ratio: 4.54x CPU 41.641 secs, speedup: 93.91% ratio: 16.42x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 525.207 secs, speedup: 23.56% ratio: 1.31x CPU 521.188 secs, speedup: 23.77% ratio: 1.31x WU : PG0395_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 808.595 secs CPU 805.168 secs Elapsed 439.886 secs, speedup: 45.60% ratio: 1.84x CPU 436.438 secs, speedup: 45.80% ratio: 1.84x MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 640.751 secs, speedup: 20.76% ratio: 1.26x CPU 611.703 secs, speedup: 24.03% ratio: 1.32x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 79.455 secs, speedup: 90.17% ratio: 10.18x CPU 39.422 secs, speedup: 95.10% ratio: 20.42x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 79.240 secs, speedup: 90.20% ratio: 10.20x CPU 35.859 secs, speedup: 95.55% ratio: 22.45x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 520.948 secs, speedup: 35.57% ratio: 1.55x CPU 518.422 secs, speedup: 35.61% ratio: 1.55x WU : PG0444_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 738.052 secs CPU 734.640 secs Elapsed 408.319 secs, speedup: 44.68% ratio: 1.81x CPU 406.000 secs, speedup: 44.73% ratio: 1.81x MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 564.329 secs, speedup: 23.54% ratio: 1.31x CPU 561.969 secs, speedup: 23.50% ratio: 1.31x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 75.226 secs, speedup: 89.81% ratio: 9.81x CPU 39.094 secs, speedup: 94.68% ratio: 18.79x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 74.949 secs, speedup: 89.85% ratio: 9.85x CPU 34.938 secs, speedup: 95.24% ratio: 21.03x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 500.662 secs, speedup: 32.16% ratio: 1.47x CPU 498.406 secs, speedup: 32.16% ratio: 1.47x WU : PG1327_v7.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 499.871 secs CPU 496.567 secs Elapsed 373.246 secs, speedup: 25.33% ratio: 1.34x CPU 370.875 secs, speedup: 25.31% ratio: 1.34x MB8_win_x86_SSE_VS2008_r3280.exe : Elapsed 572.835 secs, speedup: -14.60% ratio: 0.87x CPU 570.516 secs, speedup: -14.89% ratio: 0.87x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 81.746 secs, speedup: 83.65% ratio: 6.11x CPU 40.344 secs, speedup: 91.88% ratio: 12.31x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 82.825 secs, speedup: 83.43% ratio: 6.04x CPU 34.250 secs, speedup: 93.10% ratio: 14.50x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 436.555 secs, speedup: 12.67% ratio: 1.15x CPU 434.172 secs, speedup: 12.57% ratio: 1.14x WU : reference_work_unit_v8_r3215.wu setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog : Elapsed 3892.964 secs CPU 3889.292 secs Elapsed 2198.840 secs, speedup: 43.52% ratio: 1.77x CPU 2195.906 secs, speedup: 43.54% ratio: 1.77x Elapsed 3169.230 secs, speedup: 18.59% ratio: 1.23x CPU 3165.984 secs, speedup: 18.60% ratio: 1.23x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3256.exe : Elapsed 347.884 secs, speedup: 91.06% ratio: 11.19x CPU 142.000 secs, speedup: 96.35% ratio: 27.39x MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3299.exe : Elapsed 344.795 secs, speedup: 91.14% ratio: 11.29x CPU 119.984 secs, speedup: 96.92% ratio: 32.42x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_VS2008_r3299.exe : Elapsed 2603.311 secs, speedup: 33.13% ratio: 1.50x CPU 2600.406 secs, speedup: 33.14% ratio: 1.50x Actually it's the first time I see so bright slowdown switching from x86 to x64 OS on capable hardware.... :( And slowdown even greater considering not CPU but GPU part... I need x64 OS for this host cause 8GB memory installed now, but such slowdown definitely requires something else than Win10 x64 for good crunching, pity :/ (and to make it absolute clear - both listed tests were run with IDENTICAL hardware configuration, AFTER memory update. Update itself showed little speedup under Vista). EDIT: both these run were done on "idle" CPU (Q9450). It's artifical config for this host though used routinely in benchmarking. Real production crunching done on fully loaded CPU of course. So I'll load remaining 3 cores with BOINC and repeat under real life conditions. Actually don't really hope that result will be different though :/ |
Iona ![]() Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Not too sure what you mean. If you mean, can you still get the MS 'sticks, the answer is, no, not new ones, that is...they only seem to pander to X-Box users for controllers. One can of course still get 'sticks, but they'd have to be a USB connection for anything after Win XP. Maybe you're wondering if you can use a USB/gameport adapter? Oddly enough, many 'sticks will work in a fashion using one, except the Sidewinder! Even the favoured Rockfire unit can't get those working. Personally, I'm having to 'bite the bullet' and look at the Saitek X55 or the Thrustmaster Warthog and 'sticks are becoming more popular due to games like EVE, Elite Dangerous and, of course, Star Citizen. Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
qbit ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 ![]() |
I'm getting really, really annoyed by the stupid W10 ad which pops up every single time I boot up one of my computers. It should be obvious that I do not want W10 after clicking away this stupid ad numerous times. But it still keeps popping up:-( I will soon send an email to MS about this but right now I want to do something to stop this nonsense. So pls advise me, what exactly do I have to do so I never see this damn ad again? Is it enough to deinstall some upgrades? Registry maybe? No third party programs pls. Oh, BTW, 2 of my computers run W8.1, my cruncher runs W7. (Home, all three) ![]() |
woohoo Send message Joined: 30 Oct 13 Posts: 973 Credit: 165,671,404 RAC: 5 ![]() |
gwx control panel? |
![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34428 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 ![]() ![]() |
I'm getting really, really annoyed by the stupid W10 ad which pops up every single time I boot up one of my computers. It should be obvious that I do not want W10 after clicking away this stupid ad numerous times. But it still keeps popping up:-( Disable updates. Thats what i did years ago. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Cosmic_Ocean ![]() Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 3027 Credit: 13,516,867 RAC: 13 ![]() ![]() |
I'm getting really, really annoyed by the stupid W10 ad which pops up every single time I boot up one of my computers. It should be obvious that I do not want W10 after clicking away this stupid ad numerous times. But it still keeps popping up:-( Remove all of these updates. There are two methods: 1) manually by finding them in "installed updates" 2) open an administrative command prompt and do wusa /uninstall /kb:[number] /norestartfor each one. There is a '/quiet' option, but it makes it more difficult to know if it is actually doing anything or even if it is done. Once done, you can restart the computer. From this point, there are two options: 1) Turn updates off 2) Continue to allow updates, but you'll need to change the settings over to "let me choose what to download and install" and look at the list of available updates and see if any of the above KB numbers are there. If there are any, right-click > Hide update. You'll have to do that a bunch the first few times after removing all of those updates. But you'll have to keep an eye out for them from now on. I research every new update that is presented to me to decide if I want it or not, but most people don't have the time or desire to do so. Linux laptop: record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up) |
rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22674 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
Remembering that some of the updates are rather reluctant to be hidden, taking two or three attempts before they finally submit :-( Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
edwartr ![]() Send message Joined: 2 May 00 Posts: 31 Credit: 79,402,615 RAC: 14 ![]() ![]() |
Yes the GWX Control panel is a godsend for having to deal with multiple Windows 7/8 systems and the thrice-dammed Win 10 icon and pop-ups. The creator's site is here: http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ His 'blog' about it: http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html It is a small, quick download and install. It allows you to stop Windows 10 installs/updates/etc. with just a mouse click or two. It even has a monitoring mode if you want to 'watch' and see if MS tries to change it. It even allows you to remove the preinstall files MS downloads to your system. Now, that having been said, he has stated that with some of the new patches in the last patch day or two, MS has tried to overwrite/change/reset the settings that GWX changes so you might have to rerun it some but its pretty clear about showing what your system is set to do. I have a lot of clients and as MS gets more and more aggressive about 'forcing' Windows 10 onto 7&8 systems, GWX Control Panel makes it much easier for me to control this as most of my clients have applications that are not Windows 10 compatible yet. That and some users at my clients are more that a bit 'click happy'. I have and deal with a decent number of Windows 10 systems and all in all, I like it except for all the privacy removal and the forced update issues. However, I expect someone to come out with an app that gives at least the Pro versions the ability to easily control updates; or I will just have to setup WSUS on most all of them. I gotta fever and the only prescription is more cowbell. ![]() |
qbit ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Thx everybody, especially Cosmic Ocean for the link! And regarding GWX panel: I don't wanna use third party programs for this because I had a very bad experience with O&O on W10. ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 ![]() ![]() |
Thx everybody, especially Cosmic Ocean for the link! As I use O&O shutup on 4 Win 10 machines and have not had any problems so far, would you mind detailing what happened. I don't want to have the same problems. I also have recommended O&O to everybody I know running Win 10 Thank you |
qbit ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Bernie, I used O&O to disable the automatic updates. That worked, but then I couldn't do manual updates either so I tried to enable updates again via O&O and that didnt work. To make a long story short: I couldn't do any more updates, got an error no mattervwhst I tried. That was the moment when I said "screw W10" and went back to 8.1. ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 ![]() ![]() |
Bernie, I used O&O to disable the automatic updates. That worked, but then I couldn't do manual updates either so I tried to enable updates again via O&O and that didnt work. To make a long story short: I couldn't do any more updates, got an error no mattervwhst I tried. That was the moment when I said "screw W10" and went back to 8.1. OK, yes I did that once, by mistake and couldn't re-enable it. I just used the restore point that O&O creates. As I would never advise most people I deal with to disable updates anyway not a problem. |
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I bought a new Phone on Monday. A Nokia 640 running Win 8.1(I very specifically avoided a Win 10 Phone). So far so good, Cortana is not as intrusive as I suspected and the dictation feature helps me overcome my 'sausage finger syndrome' when trying to use mini keyboards. I'm a newbie on 'Smart'Phones and resisted getting one, but the world technology interface has become so structured to their use that now they are reaching the point of near necessity(could they be the 'mark of the beast' from Revelations?).[edit] And like all the shiny new electronic toys, they can be rendered into paperweights by the next CME and it's attendant EMP. If major issues arise with regards to privacy or forced updates I will post my experiences. ![]() "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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Scary stuff here. http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/01/05/automakers-choose-microsoft-as-connected-car-partner/ When Microsoft talks about mobility, our interest is the mobility of the person, not of any single device. After all, people now want their technology experience to move with them, from place to place and device to device, at home, at work, and on the move. Nowhere is this more evident than in today’s connected cars. People expect their car’s computing power to match its horsepower. And automakers are leading the way, bringing mobility solutions to their cars to meet drivers’ changing expectations, as well as enhance safety. These automakers see their cars as technology platforms, and they are choosing Microsoft as their partner. They are choosing Microsoft because we uniquely deliver end-to-end solutions from the cloud, to the device, to predictive analytics, and do so in a way that allows all our partners to innovate on top of their existing systems. Nobody else offers this breadth and depth to the auto industry. Today from the International CES in Las Vegas, Volvo Cars, Nissan, Harman and IAV announced new details about their partnerships with Microsoft to enhance their connected car strategies. They join Toyota, Ford, Qoros, Delphi, and other companies already working with Microsoft to bring their cars into the mobile-first, cloud-first world. In the near future, the car will be connected to the Internet, as well as to other cars, your mobile phone and your home computer. The car becomes a companion and an assistant to your digital life. And so our strategy is to be the ultimate platform for all intelligent cars. And http://news.microsoft.com/2016/01/05/nissan-selects-microsoft-azure-to-power-nissan-telematics-system/ Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. and Microsoft Corp. on Tuesday announced that all Nissan LEAF models and Infiniti models in Europe will have Connect Telematics Systems (CTS) powered by Microsoft Azure. Maps, range prediction, charging station availability, charge status, plus all the services customers have come to expect when inside a vehicle are dependent on that connectivity. Azure provides a global cloud platform with cutting-edge security that allows Nissan to deliver services worldwide to this broad customer base. So, I guess you're not going to buy a new car soon either. Unless you really do not mind Microsoft storing everything now known about you. And getting Windows Updates on the freeway. Rebooting the car... Blue screening when you start it... |
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So, I guess you're not going to buy a new car soon either.My vehicles are a 2001 Dodge Dakota and a 2005 Toyota Avalon, both with less than 70k miles and no Sat link. At 68 years old and driving only about 5000 miles a year since retirement, I'd say I'm never gonna buy another new car.......":D) ![]() "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 ![]() ![]() |
Scary stuff here. Greetings Jord, Whatever happened to the car being a TRANSPORTATION device. A car is a lethal weapon. With all the crap they put in cars these days it's no wonder there aren't "accidents" every tenth of a nanosecond. When driving a car you are to do ONE THING, pay attention to the road, NOT do butt or finger dancing while listening to your favorite playlist, not talking incessantly on the cell, not texting, not eating (soon we'll have replicators in cars for our lunching enjoyment WHILE driving), etc., etc., etc... The only computer in our car is the one that monitors and maintains the operations of the car. When I drive, I don't hear the radio much at all, I'm watching the world and road around me as I am supposed to be doing. I'm 64 this month and I have yet to have any altercation with another vehicle because I'm not doing what I'm supposed to do when the car is in motion, pay attention. It's too bad my 33 year old Datsun truck no longer runs. It will take some major overhaul to get it on the road again. I just don't have the money to do it. There's NO computer in that truck and that's the way I like it. I parked that truck in the garage 3 years ago and I haven't gotten it to run since. :( Computers in cars should NOT be interactive by the operator of that car. There should be nothing to draw a drivers attention away from the road. Plain and simple. Keep on BOINCing...! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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Never forget Genisys is skynet. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
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Whatever happened to the car being a TRANSPORTATION device. I agree. Cars are heavy machinery that should be operated by responsible, focused drivers. I understand interfacing with new mobility devices, updating the controls and customizability with new technology, and taking advantage of connectivity in order to improve travel efficiency, emergency response, etc. But they should not be entertainment or mobile outlets. But I think it's inevitable. However, I'm sure the manufacturers and regulators will make restrictions of using them during operating times, or separate them between driver and passengers. I think Tesla has the most complex interface right now, and they lock some functions during driving. But then, I think people might find ways around it, or maybe whatever precautions are done, some people will still be distracted. Also, new connectivity leads to new security problems that need to be dealt with. I think the last related article I read, a security team was able to wirelessly hack into a Jeep Cherokee and affect stuff while it was in motion. |
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However, I'm sure the manufacturers and regulators will make restrictions of using them during operating times, or separate them between driver and passengers. Yeah, but if enforcement isn't doing much of anything about that, then you have rules such as 'drive with your seat belt on' and 'do not use your phone behind the wheel', which everyone seems to be ignoring because the law enforcement isn't enforcing it en masse. The fines can be extraordinary high (€140 and €230 in above example), but really as long as you can get away with it 12 months out of the year, it's really not going to be a restriction. |
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Next up: M$ is going after outdated Internet Explorer users on WIN 7 with a NAG SCREEN... How to disable impending IE nag notices Next week, Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser (IE) will begin displaying nag notices to users who have not upgraded to the latest available for their operating system. |
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