I've just been busy for the past 2.5 hours to try to update the driver for the Intel HD Graphics GPU in my mother's Lenovo laptop and given up in disgust.

Windows states that there is a problem with the driver it installed itself and that I should update from the manufacturer.
The manufacturer points to a driver that is a month older than the Windows supplied drivers, but that I cannot install due to a problem with validation.
The Intel driver that I tried cannot install due to it being incompatible with the hardware, because Lenovo has possibly changed the hardware.

Totally removing the driver and then rebooting the system results in the Windows installed driver being put back immediately during or after the reboot. I cannot go back to Windows 8.1 either because the 29 days of trying out have been over (yes, it's not even a month).

So far I truly hate Windows 10, especially the new Start menu, because where is the Search? Not there. Yes, it's there under right-clicking on the Start button, but not on left-clicking. The latest updates had also re-enabled several 10s of the privacy settings.

I've also noticed that the battery of the Lenovo goes down quicker with Windows 10 than it did with 8.1, e.g. I took it off the mains, put it on the table, opened the lid, started it up, put in the password and when the desktop arrived (not even fully loaded yet) it was down to 98% already. After the 2.5 hours of fiddling, it was at 47%.

And then I didn't even start any CPU intensive programs, just Windows windows and menus. They sold this as an entry-level model for students, but that student then shouldn't be going to school all day, or at least have the opportunity to plug-in wherever they sit, because before you know it the battery's dead. They shouldn't travel too far on a train/bus either.

In comparison, I took my smart phone off the mains at 7 AM, I've been using it for quite a couple of things since then and the Radio Caroline app has been streaming music to me all day since 8 AM, but the battery of my phone is at 86% full. (It's 14:29 now)

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Is it just me or is Win10 slower than Win7? On my GTX970 it takes around 5 mins longer doing APs on W10 than on W7, I've installed the latest Nvidia drivers.

Other than this I'm very happy with Win 10 :)

For the Intel driver: have you looked to see if any of the manual install options are available under Windows 10? I had several failures with Intel's automated installer (which falsely claimed the hardware wasn't compatible) but successes with either the setup program extracted from the .zip download (same version), or by following the manual instructions in the ReadMe files (also extracted from the zip).

Yes, have tried all those. Problem there is though that through the FAQ on it, there isn't a real manual driver for Windows 10 available, only for Windows 7/8/8.1, but even with the 8.1 driver it balked, saying validate trouble.

Now, if only I could figure out why the Windows installed driver is having problems, but it doesn't really say what's wrong with it either. And I don't see anything wrong with it, it's not as if I am setting that thing up for BOINC use. Brrr, rather not, the days of using a Celeron to crunch are long past for me. :)
(although it would be interesting to see if that Intel HD can do OpenCL, but then I truly need different drivers).

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and then M$ do this...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/15/microsoft_sneaky_about_pushing_windows_10/

Sooo glad I went Linux 3 years ago! I have to support win 10 for work and frankly it's a pain in the arse - even a Mac has to be better...

and then M$ do this...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/15/microsoft_sneaky_about_pushing_windows_10/

Sooo glad I went Linux 3 years ago! I have to support win 10 for work and frankly it's a pain in the arse - even a Mac has to be better...

Greetings,

From Micro$oft's blog:

"Windows Update is the trusted, logical location for our most important updates, and adding Windows 10 here is another way we will make it easy for you to find your upgrade. Before the upgrade changes the OS of your device, you will be clearly prompted to choose to continue."

Yeah right! A choice to continue but NOT a choice to back out and not accept the upgrade, unless you know to click the red "X". But then, Micro$oft can disable the red "X" and not allow the window to be killed. Sneaky little bastards. :|

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

I'm updating the list. I just did a clean 8.1 install on a laptop today and found a bunch of the 8.1 version of a lot of the ones I only knew about for 7. So.. time to add them to the list.

"updates to avoid list", version 5:

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3050265 - This update makes improvements to the Update client to increase scanning speed, and to improve the upgrade to later versions of Windows. Also provides the registry keys to disable upgrading to 10.
KB 3050267 - Same as KB3050265 but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (note: some google results suggest this may be part of the win 10 nagware upgrade, but it hasn't been confirmed)
KB 3065988 - Same as KB3065987, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3075853 - Same as KB3075851, but for Windows 8.1.
KB 3081954 - This update ensures users can continue using Work Folders when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10. Also adds telemetry points to Work Folders for Asimov telemetry pipeline.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 - August 2015.
KB 3083325 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 - August 2015.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it. (It is suspected this new client downloads other updates in this list in the background without any consent or notice of doing so.)
KB 3102810 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083710
KB 3102812 - Improvements to the New Update Client provided by KB3083711
KB 3112343 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 7 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.
KB 3112336 - Improves the Update Client when upgrading from 8.1 to 10 and provides MS with feedback on how smooth the process was.

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

I see KB3035583 is back in the optional list. Revision 7.0, one has to wonder what changed this time.

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I see KB3035583 is back in the optional list. Revision 7.0, one has to wonder what changed this time.

I did just see that a little while ago on my laptop.

Maybe possibly that's a correction to the "now or later tonight" options of late? Maybe it's to make a "no" option other than the red X in the corner. *shrug*

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

Greetings,

This may seem a bit coincidental but... here goes. This has only happened since I let Window$ 10 install and subsequently reverted back to Win7 Pro 64bit.

At least 3 times now this PC has spontaneously done the BSoD (Blue Screen of Death). It has not done this while I'm doing something, only when the PC is sitting doing BOINC. After the blue screen disappears and the PC goes through the POST, it displays a message that a "New CPU has been installed..." and that I have to enter setup to configure it. This had not happened before Window$ 10, only after reverting back from Window$ 10 and doing 2 subsequent clean installs of Win7.

I did some research on the "New CPU..." message and have come across something about ASUS motherboards and the CPU socket. If memory serves I believe this had something to do with AMD CPUs. I use Intel solely. My PC spec are in my profile.

Has anyone else experienced this or come across this?

Any ideas would be appreciated. :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

the BSoD

You post as if there's only one BSOD in Windows, while there are tens if not hundreds of possible BSOD combinations. So you really will need to post what it says, if you want help on it. Windows Event Viewer will log system crashes and what they said, if you can't remember what it said on the blue screen of death.

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the BSoD

You post as if there's only one BSOD in Windows, while there are tens if not hundreds of possible BSOD combinations. So you really will need to post what it says, if you want help on it. Windows Event Viewer will log system crashes and what they said, if you can't remember what it said on the blue screen of death.

Greetings Jord,

Ok, here goes... ;)

LOGGED AS LEVEL: CRITICAL

Log Name:      System
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power
Date:          12/17/2015 11:09:08 PM
Event ID:      41
Task Category: (63)
Level:         Critical
Keywords:      (2)
User:          SYSTEM
Computer:      siran-win7-pro
Description:
The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power" Guid="{331C3B3A-2005-44C2-AC5E-77220C37D6B4}" />
    <EventID>41</EventID>
    <Version>2</Version>
    <Level>1</Level>
    <Task>63</Task>
    <Opcode>0</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8000000000000002</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2015-12-18T05:09:08.974011300Z" />
    <EventRecordID>42672</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation />
    <Execution ProcessID="4" ThreadID="8" />
    <Channel>System</Channel>
    <Computer>siran-win7-pro</Computer>
    <Security UserID="S-1-5-18" />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data Name="BugcheckCode">122</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter1">0xfffff6fb40000210</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter2">0xffffffffc000000e</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter3">0x13dc46884</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter4">0xfffff68000042000</Data>
    <Data Name="SleepInProgress">false</Data>
    <Data Name="PowerButtonTimestamp">0</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>

LOGGED AS LEVEL: ERROR

Log Name:      System
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-WER-SystemErrorReporting
Date:          12/17/2015 11:09:22 PM
Event ID:      1001
Task Category: None
Level:         Error
Keywords:      Classic
User:          N/A
Computer:      SIRAN-WIN7-PRO
Description:
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x0000007a (0xfffff6fb40000210, 0xffffffffc000000e, 0x000000013dc46884, 0xfffff68000042000). A dump was saved in: C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP. Report Id: 121715-17113-01.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-WER-SystemErrorReporting" Guid="{ABCE23E7-DE45-4366-8631-84FA6C525952}" EventSourceName="BugCheck" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="16384">1001</EventID>
    <Version>0</Version>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Opcode>0</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2015-12-18T05:09:22.000000000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>42671</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation />
    <Execution ProcessID="0" ThreadID="0" />
    <Channel>System</Channel>
    <Computer>SIRAN-WIN7-PRO</Computer>
    <Security />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data Name="param1">0x0000007a (0xfffff6fb40000210, 0xffffffffc000000e, 0x000000013dc46884, 0xfffff68000042000)</Data>
    <Data Name="param2">C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP</Data>
    <Data Name="param3">121715-17113-01</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>

Why they both say "rebooted..." when several seconds apart is beyond me. The PC only did one reboot. I admit, the above is all GREEK to me. I've no clue what any of that gibberish means. I'm not a computer scientist. ;)

If anything else is needed, let me know. I'm finding, on the Internet, different reasons for this: water cooler heat sink warping the CPU, thermal paste, bad RAM, low voltage to CPU, bla bla... ;)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

You may want to check if you have the hotfix installed spoken about in this thread, before your system stops responding as well.

The primary causes of this error are virus/malware, drivers, memory, and disk corruption. And there can even be combinations of those so a thorough check of all is required. Added possible causes are hardware errors such as damaged motherboard or other hardware.

BCCode: 7A 0x0000007A

Also, this thread, in case you run that system with an SSD.

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You may want to check if you have the hotfix installed spoken about in this thread, before your system stops responding as well.

The primary causes of this error are virus/malware, drivers, memory, and disk corruption. And there can even be combinations of those so a thorough check of all is required. Added possible causes are hardware errors such as damaged motherboard or other hardware.

BCCode: 7A 0x0000007A

Also, this thread, in case you run that system with an SSD.

Greetings Jord,

From the Hotfix request page:

A hotfix is intended to correct a specific problem.
Apply the hotfix only to systems that are experiencing the specific problem.
Installing the incorrect hotfix can cause damage to your system.
If you are not sure whether the hotfix is the correct one for your system, do not install it.
Hotfixes are included in subsequent service packs that are safer to install through Microsoft Update.

Since I have SP1 installed, would it be safe to assume that the hot fix is also installed on the PC? I do not have a SSD, I have 2 500gb WD SATA drives.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Windows 7 Service Pack 1 was released in 2011, the hotfix pointed to was last revised in 2012, so you best install it anyway. Also, make note that this stop error can be attributed to malware, drivers, memory, and disk corruption, so you have a search ahead of you.

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I'm updating the list. I just did a clean 8.1 install on a laptop today and found a bunch of the 8.1 version of a lot of the ones I only knew about for 7. So.. time to add them to the list.

"updates to avoid list", version 5:

C_O, in comparing your latest list to my prior saved .bat removal file, KB3097877 is on my list but not yours.

Is that update OK?

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

I'm updating the list. I just did a clean 8.1 install on a laptop today and found a bunch of the 8.1 version of a lot of the ones I only knew about for 7. So.. time to add them to the list.

"updates to avoid list", version 5:

C_O, in comparing your latest list to my prior saved .bat removal file, KB3097877 is on my list but not yours.

Is that update OK?

That one is not related to the 10 upgrade, but when it was released, it was one to avoid until MS fixed it, as it was causing things like Outlook to crash. Not sure if it has been fixed yet though. I know I declined it in WSUS a few weeks ago, but if a new release of it gets released, it will show up as a new update again.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3097877

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

I'm working on a clean install of 8.1 on a laptop as well and found an "optional" update that should probably be on the "updates to avoid" list:

KB3058168 Update: Activate Win 10 from Win 8 or 8.1...

Also, I came across a "recommended" update:

KB3080149 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry

"This service provides benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded." I don't think I want this one on my systems either.

Rich

Windows 7 Service Pack 1 was released in 2011, the hotfix pointed to was last revised in 2012, so you best install it anyway. Also, make note that this stop error can be attributed to malware, drivers, memory, and disk corruption, so you have a search ahead of you.

Greetings Jord,

Any other ideas? :|

This is what I got when trying to install the hot fix:

This update is not applicable to your computer.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Is it just me or is Win10 slower than Win7? On my GTX970 it takes around 5 mins longer doing APs on W10 than on W7, I've installed the latest Nvidia drivers.

Other than this I'm very happy with Win 10 :)

Hi folks,

I am experiencing some problems when running 2 AP's on my GTX-750 (1 Gb):

12/19/2015 10:21:35 AM | SETI@home | task postponed 30.000000 sec:

From other messages I understood that this is probably related to not having enough GPU memory available. I changed my AP settings from:

-unroll 12 -ffa_block 8192 -ffa_block_fetch 4096 -hp -use_sleep

to

-unroll 8 -ffa_block 8192 -ffa_block_fetch 4096 -hp -use_sleep

but I still see the same message. I never had these problems in the past (and have been running multiple APs for at least a year), but I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, forcing me to update the NVidia driver to 359.06.
Watching GPU-Z while running 2 APs showed that there are spikes in memory usage (from 600 Mb to 950 Mb).

Has anyone else noticed increased GPU memory usage with Windows 10 and/or driver 359.06 ?

I posted this on the AP thread, but someone suggested I post it here as well.

Tom