So, if ANY of you have a similar printer out there connected to a NEW Win 10 system, PLEASE let me know if you can print multiple copies of a document...
Thanks,
TL

Does HP have Win10 drivers for this printer? I know I trashed a printer when upgrading from Vista that had only printed 10 copies. It was just not supported by Cannon in the "New" OS.
It is up to the printer manufacturer to support the printer, not the OS, and if they decide it is past its support date, you may be out of luck.

Not trying to be a smartass, but I would just hit the print button three time if everything else is working.

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So, if ANY of you have a similar printer out there connected to a NEW Win 10 system, PLEASE let me know if you can print multiple copies of a document...
Thanks,
TL

Does HP have Win10 drivers for this printer? I know I trashed a printer when upgrading from Vista that had only printed 10 copies. It was just not supported by Cannon in the "New" OS.
It is up to the printer manufacturer to support the printer, not the OS, and if they decide it is past its support date, you may be out of luck.

Not trying to be a smartass, but I would just hit the print button three time if everything else is working.

Well, like I said, in Win 7 all printing aspects work perfectly. I never tested my dad's ASUS laptop on 8, or 8.1; so, not sure of the HP printer driver there - then Upgraded the ASUS to 10 Home, then 10 Pro. Dad doesn't use the laptop at home much; instead, taking it to work and connecting to a printer there. (He's a General Contractor.)

So, when I got a hold of their new HP Envy Desktop with Win 10 Home, I waited until I got Pro on there before transferring all their data from the old system, and then installed the printer drivers.

Their Brother MFC-7440N All-In-One was the ONLY printer connected to the Network that was able to obtain drivers for Win 10 DIRECTLY from Brother. The HP LaserJet 4000TN and the 4ML 300dpi printers got the HP Drivers from Windows Update. (HP doesn't have drivers on their site anymore for these two printers.) But, like I said, the Win Update Drivers for HP work in Win 7 - BUT NOT Win 10.

In a pinch; I've suggested to dad that he print a document to the 4000TN and then take it to the Brother to copy X more times... OR, make the Brother the Default printer on the HP Envy Desktop system... Don't know what else to do... :-(

Being that the HP printers are 17 and 22 years old, (respectively), they MOST DEFINITELY are now Unsupported by HP. It's a MIRACLE that Win Update shows these printers at all; I suppose...


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Usually the printer driver have it's own Settings for the number of copies
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr#q=hp%20printer%20driver%20number%20of%20copies

If you had the opposite problem - you set (in Word) 3 copies and the printer do 6 - I would say "you set 2 copies in the printer driver Options and so every page sent from a program is duplicated (3*2=6)"

Nevertheless check the printer driver Options/Settings/Properties

E.g. this talks about some "HP printer option called Mopier Mode"
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/my-hp-laserjet-1200-printer-will-not-print/150eaf39-63a5-4c86-b047-873631a3e39a?auth=1

"Disabling Mopier Mode in Windows Vista/7" (post by Aaron Gallaway on "HP Printer won't Print Multiple Copies")
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/81049-hp-printer-won-t-print-multiple-copies?page=1#entry-1570229

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Usually the printer driver have it's own Settings for the number of copies
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr#q=hp%20printer%20driver%20number%20of%20copies

If you had the opposite problem - you set (in Word) 3 copies and the printer do 6 - I would say "you set 2 copies in the printer driver Options and so every page sent from a program is duplicated (3*2=6)"

Nevertheless check the printer driver Options/Settings/Properties

E.g. this talks about some "HP printer option called Mopier Mode"
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/my-hp-laserjet-1200-printer-will-not-print/150eaf39-63a5-4c86-b047-873631a3e39a?auth=1

"Disabling Mopier Mode in Windows Vista/7" (post by Aaron Gallaway on "HP Printer won't Print Multiple Copies")
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/81049-hp-printer-won-t-print-multiple-copies?page=1#entry-1570229

I already tried that last night... Went directly through the Printer Properties, tried setting the device to default print multiple copies, hit Apply, then OK; and NOTHING the printer still only prints 1 copy of a document. Tried Word tried ADOBE Reader, tried Notepad... All the same, only 1 copy prints.

Went back to Printer Properties and saw that my "change" was ignored, or reset to 1 copy. Tried again in Word, Adobe, and Notepad and selected Multiple Copies within each program, and again NOTHING, only 1 copy prints... The MS HP Driver is broken. :-(


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Beware...

From my recent experience, you now have to pay monthly for your Microsoft software...

No choice about it.


IT is what you allow it to be...
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Beware...

From my recent experience, you now have to pay monthly for your Microsoft software...

No choice about it.


IT is what you allow it to be...
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NOT for Office Home and Business 2013!!! The HP Envy Desktop system came with 365; and THAT IS A PAY AS YOU GO software package... I uninstalled that, and installed a new copy of H&B 2013, and NO mention of recurring charges there...

As for the OS, 10 Pro Upgrade cost $99.99 to go from 10 Home to Pro... Again, NO recurring charges.


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Did you found the "Mopier Mode" Setting?
They say it is "enabled by default" so if you do some "Reset to defaults" it will be ON
Also look for "collate" and disable it.

Went back to Printer Properties and saw that my "change" was ignored, or reset to 1 copy

I think this is known from Windows 98 / Word 97 days (at least for me)

You first need to exit all programs that can print! (Word, Adobe, ...) (else they (programs) will return the Printer Settings at the state when the program was started)
Only then look and change "Printer Properties" from Start Menu

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Did you found the "Mopier Mode" Setting?
They say it is "enabled by default" so if you do some "Reset to defaults" it will be ON
Also look for "collate" and disable it.

Went back to Printer Properties and saw that my "change" was ignored, or reset to 1 copy

I think this is known from Windows 98 / Word 97 days (at least for me)

You first need to exit all programs that can print! (Word, Adobe, ...) (else they (programs) will return the Printer Settings at the state when the program was started)
Only then look and change "Printer Properties" from Start Menu

THIS is getting WAY out of hand!!! I SHOULDN'T have to go through all of this nonsense!!! In fact I REFUSE!!! I AM NOT A PROGRAMMER!!! I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER GETTING INTO HARDWARE TO GET AWAY FROM PROGRAMMING OR ANYTHING LIKE PROGRAMMING!!! I HATE SOFTWARE!!! I only install it... ;-) :-)

I'm done FRAKKING AROUND with DEFECTIVE MS SOFTWARE AND DRIVERS!!! It SHOULD be up to HP and MS to make sure that the damned driver works!!! NOT ME!!!

I'm NOT adjusting, NOR hunting for anymore settings...

Dad will have to either print one copy from the HP LaserJet 4000TN and take it to the Brother and make X copies, OR set the Brother as Default...

THIS IS BEYOND RIDICULOUS!!!

STUPID MICKEYSLOTH SOFTWARE!!!

:-(


TL

P.S. BilBg, the RANT above is NOT aimed at you. Thank you for trying; but I'M TOO FRUSTRATED WITH LACK OF CUSTOMER SUPPORT FOR MS OR ANY OTHER SOFTWARE ON THE MARKET!!! THEY ALL SUCK IN SOME FASHION!!!

If it weren't for my LIMITED IT hardware skills; the HP Envy Desktop system would still be in it's factory sealed packaging! Dad DOES NOT do hardware; NOR software... He can BARELY use a computer; if he had his way, he'd still have a typewriter!!!

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...AND, I REALLY HOPE someone from MICKESLOTH reads my last post!!! I know I'm NOT alone with these thoughts!!!

If they'd PAY their Q&A people better, I'm sure they'd find and correct these errors BEFORE the OS and Drivers are released!!!

At LEAST Apple Q&A makes sure their hardware works out of the box!!! Their software on the other hand DOES have occasional issues; BUT NOTHING like MICKEYSLOTH!!!

Unfortunately, the last MAC I had extensive knowledge on was my 1996 MAC Clone from Power Computing. (A 604/132 with 96 MB RAM, and a Quantum Atlas F&W SCSI HD 4.3 GB... MAC OS 7.5.2; upgraded over time to 8.6.1, the MAX that the system could get up to...) I NEVER had issues with my MAC like I've seen over the years with MICKEYSLOTH!!!

OH, and I've TRIED and TRIED, and TRIED SOME MORE to understand Linux... SORRY, that's worse than MS DOS with its command line structure WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE UNDERSTOOD to maintain your system under various Linux flavors.

I've tried Slackware, I've tried Red Hat, I've tried Ubuntu 6.x 7.x 12.04, and FINALLY 14.04... NONE of it is simple enough for the average "Joe" to work with!!! PLUS, without heavy configuration and modification, (to Wine or through 30 Command Lines), NO PC Software will run properly under Linux. If Linux doesn't have it's own version of what your looking for, YOUR SCREWED!!! AND NO PC GAMES run native in Linux!!!

So ML-1 for all your Linux knowledge, (which is plentiful), Linux SUCKS TOO!!!!


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Dad DOES NOT do hardware; NOR software... He can BARELY use a computer; if he had his way, he'd still have a typewriter!!!

Well, typewriter is still a Technology despite mechanical ...
I wonder what our grand grandfathers said in the old days ;)
Maybe "Kick that stupid noisy typewriter, it gives me a headache! I will stick to my good ol' pencil"

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TL, I have that issue with two different HP printers on Win 7. Also it ignores the print double sided. However if I uncheck the "collated" box it mostly seems to behave. IIRC it is checked by default.

I think the error is HP's not M$'s.

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If it weren't for my LIMITED IT hardware skills; the HP Envy Desktop system would still be in it's factory sealed packaging! Dad DOES NOT do hardware; NOR software... He can BARELY use a computer; if he had his way, he'd still have a typewriter!!!

The IBM Selectric typewriter has the best keyboard I've ever used.

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I have a LJ4000N, 8100DN, and DesignJet 600 (E/A0). All three have JetDirect cards. All used from win7, so I can't speak for 10, but.. I have noticed that setting the defaults for the printers can be a bit... grumpy sometimes (taking 2 or 3 tries for changes/settings to actually stick).

I can't decide if you always want 3 copies for everything you print on the 4000TN, or just for some things. If you always want 3 copies.. go to the printer itself and go through the menus on it and change the printer itself to print 3 copies for every sheet. It's not a perfect solution, but that will do the trick.

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BilBg and Gary,

OK - Went back to the driver, checked for whatever Mopier is, (GOD, is that even in the Oxford English Dictionary???), found it; found it WAS Enabled, Disabled it, went to Advanced, checked Collate, found it was greyed out and unchecked... Hit Apply to save my settings, then hit OK to MAKE SURE that MS Win 10 TRULY understands what I want done, then went back into Word. In Word I typed "Test 3", then went to File --> Print, changed the number of copies to 2, and hit Print. FINALLY, JUSTICE, IT WORKS!!!!! Two copies printed to the HP LaserJet 4000TN.

Going back to MS RANT MODE!!! SHOULDN'T some QA Engineer at MS have known about this??? Shouldn't he/she set Mopier, (I still don't think that's a real word), to Disabled by Default???

Shouldn't HP have tested this in Win 10 Home AND Pro??? Shouldn't they have set Mopier to Disabled for MS...???...

WHY do I have to know these things??? OMG, so tired of having to know these things... I NEVER wanted to have to know these things... I CHOSE to get into MS MCSE NT4 Server and Workstation BECAUSE of how difficult MS is to deal with. I NEVER took the Certification Tests; I just took the classes to get the knowledge to run a Network "Properly"...

Then NT4 fell by the wayside, "Me" emerged, 2000, XP - (which IS still an EXCELLENT OS), Vista, 7, 8.x, and now 10... Of these, XP Pro x64 is my favorite, then Win Vista SP-2 - (DESPITE the negative hype about Vista, I never had problems with my SP-2 Laptop), then 7 Pro and now 10 Pro with O&O Security installed...

I've built MANY PCs in my day, hardware is my joy... It's just lately all the Driver and OS changes drive me BATTY!!!

Thanks everyone for listening/reading... Thanks for the continued support and friendship. No man stands alone, though it may seem so at times.

Just wish things could be easier. :-)


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Dad DOES NOT do hardware; NOR software... He can BARELY use a computer; if he had his way, he'd still have a typewriter!!!

Well, typewriter is still a Technology despite mechanical ...

I wonder what our grand grandfathers said in the old days ;)
Maybe "Kick that stupid noisy typewriter, it gives me a headache! I will stick to my good ol' pencil"

And what our grandchildren will say to us in not too distant future ;)

-- Hey, grandpa, you call that big thing on the table "a computer"??

Everyone knows that computer is what you connect directly to your brain.
Mine is implanted in my body since I was born.
But I think I want a new implant, it's very cool...
The new model from B-Soft BrainSwarm™ connects you to the BrainCloud® and you can see and feel and share all you do to 1000's of brains non-stop
It's very cool and it's beyond me why you old people don't want it...
 

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If it weren't for my LIMITED IT hardware skills; the HP Envy Desktop system would still be in it's factory sealed packaging! Dad DOES NOT do hardware; NOR software... He can BARELY use a computer; if he had his way, he'd still have a typewriter!!!

The IBM Selectric typewriter has the best keyboard I've ever used.

Betreger,

My mom had a Selectric at work, and one at home. I too, used the one at home in High School for reports and such. I agree, that was the BEST typewriter I've EVER used. :-)

I NEVER did, and still don't, type fast. In HS I was maxed out at 24 wpm, and have slowly increased that to currently being at 36 wpm. I get by... (I'll NEVER be an Administrative Assistant at that slow speed, that's for sure!!!)


TL

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I have printed all UNIX System 3 Manuals on an Olivetti dotmatrix printer with 24 pins which was a prototype. When one of the pins broke, the Olivetti technician who came to repair it said he had not the spare printhead. He then extracted partially the 24 pins and changed the broken one, sweating for the tension. I since have used a Honeywell dotmatrix printer, at least 3 HP Deskjet printers and a Canon PIXMA MX395. My latest HP printer, Envy 4500, is connected via WiFI to a Windows 10 PC and a HP laptop with SuSE Linux 13.2. The Canon is connected to a SUN WS with SuSE Linux 13.1 but I was not able to use it as a scanner, while the HP 4500 works also as a scanner but only on the Linux laptop, the Windows 10 PC does not recognize it as a scanner.
I like to print things, also photos of my grandchildren
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The greatest problem of new printers is the lack of documentation. Once, when you bought a printer, you would get a proper manual. Now you get only an installation sheet in many languages. If you want a manual, you have to go and find it out on the Net. But if the printer is not working, you cannot print it. I like printed manuals.

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Timelord your rant was entertaining heheheheehe A lot of people have been saying Don't upgrade to win 10 N.S.A

You can always go back to win 7 mate :-) ops better not that also is a big headache .

I always wait at least 18 moths before I even think of upgrading the op for the very reasons and problems you and others have mentioned

Good you got it sorted then , Now you can relax until , ring ,ring , "son I'm having problems again can you pop over and have a look " :-)

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I had another Windows 10 update today. Before rebooting I suspend all BOINC projects, while the CERN Challenge 2015 is still running and I will reboot it manually after restart. I am using Windows 10 as a Virtual Box platform, with VBox 5.0.10 and BOINC 7.6.9. All CERN projects and a CPDN task run fine.
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If it weren't for my LIMITED IT hardware skills; the HP Envy Desktop system would still be in it's factory sealed packaging! Dad DOES NOT do hardware; NOR software... He can BARELY use a computer; if he had his way, he'd still have a typewriter!!!

The IBM Selectric typewriter has the best keyboard I've ever used.

The Selectric keyboard is very nice, but the best I ever used was on a IBM 029 keypunch. Both of them have the great tactile feedback, but the Selectric mechanical driven is just a bit spongy compared to the solenoid action on the 029. (Damn cherry switches suck!)

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