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Message 1735179 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 14:55:36 UTC

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.
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Message 1735189 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:15:37 UTC - in response to Message 1735179.  

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.



Have you tried installing and running the sgfxi scripts like I've suggested? Works for both AMD and Nvidia.
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Message 1735191 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 1735179.  

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.

That is strange seeing as how the new card should have been fine with the same driver. I've swapped cards between machines without having to mess with drivers a number of times with Ubuntu. Does the card show up when you run clinfo in the terminal? Did you check and see if there is a link to libOpenCL.so in /usr/lib? You can find the libOpenCL links in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. You might as well make links to libOpenCL.so & libOpenCL.so.1 and move them both to /usr/lib. Once there right click on them, chose properties, and remove the Link to part of the name so they have the original name. That usually fixes it, as long as the card shows up in clinfo.
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Message 1735194 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1735191.  

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.

That is strange seeing as how the new card should have been fine with the same driver. I've swapped cards between machines without having to mess with drivers a number of times with Ubuntu. Does the card show up when you run clinfo in the terminal? Did you check and see if there is a link to libOpenCL.so in /usr/lib? You can find the libOpenCL links in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. You might as well make links to libOpenCL.so & libOpenCL.so.1 and move them both to /usr/lib. Once there right click on them, chose properties, and remove the Link to part of the name so they have the original name. That usually fixes it, as long as the card shows up in clinfo.


I was wondering about that myself.
Yes CLinfo sees the card so i guess the drivers are installed correctly.
Its reporting as Tonga and OpenCL 2.0.
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Message 1735200 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:54:05 UTC - in response to Message 1735194.  

What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.
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Message 1735201 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:59:44 UTC - in response to Message 1735148.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet

With the AMD driver it's pretty simple in Ubuntu. Go to System Settings/Software & Updates/Additional Drivers and click on the driver you want to install. Then Click on Apply Changes. That's all there is to it.
Unfortunately BOINC looks for the OpenCL library in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, so if you have a problem with BOINC not seeing OpenCL it's probably because there isn't a link to the library in /usr/lib. Just make a link and it should work. Same thing happens with the nVidia driver and the libcuda.so library...


Not possible.
No system, no shell and no keyboard in recovery mode.
It hangs during startup.


I know based on a more recent post of yours that you solved this problem by doing a new install which might be the best way, or at least the fastest, if you don't care about any files you may have on the drive. There is however another way, at least for Slackware. You could have booted on the install CD or DVD and then exited to a command line prompt. Once there you could have mounted the boot partition that was giving you problems and then made the necessary changes to solve the hangup or video problem. At the very least, if there had been files on that partition that you didn't want to lose, you could have recovered them before doing a fresh install. Just a thought for the future.
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Message 1735206 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 16:12:29 UTC - in response to Message 1735200.  
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What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.


There`s only a libOpenCL.so.1 in lib not x86***
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Message 1735208 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 16:28:43 UTC - in response to Message 1735206.  
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What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.


There`s only a libOpenCL.so.1 in lib not x86***

If there is just libOpenCL.so.1 in /usr/lib then make a link to that file and rename the link to libOpenCL.so
I believe BOINC wants to see libOpenCL.so there.
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Message 1735213 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 16:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 1735208.  

What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.


There`s only a libOpenCL.so.1 in lib not x86***

If there is just libOpenCL.so.1 in /usr/lib then make a link to that file and rename the link to libOpenCL.so
I believe BOINC wants to see libOpenCL.so there.


Doesn`t help.
Still no usable GPU found.
I think its like on windows 7 it needs a more recent Boinc version.
Maybe i`ll try again tomorrow.
Thats very annoying.
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Message 1735218 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 17:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 1735213.  
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Well, that's strange again. I have 3 Ubuntu machines using BOINC 7.2.33 and as long as the AMD card(s) are seen in clinfo, and there is a valid link named libOpenCL.so in /usr/lib, BOINC sees the cards fine. Are you sure the file you linked to is itself a valid link? If you right click and chose properties it will report if it's broken or not. You could try the driver in Additional Drivers, but if clinfo sees the card the current driver should be OK.
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Message 1735447 - Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 16:31:14 UTC

Just to notify y'all, I have allowed the Win8.1 laptop that was catching dust here to update to Windows 10. Over the next couple of weeks I'll see if I like it or not, can always return to Windows 8.1 through the hidden Lenovo partition.

That because the return option in Windows 10 doesn't sound like it's too heartening: Back-up and return to Windows 7. Yay! :-)
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Message 1735456 - Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 16:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 1735447.  
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Just to notify y'all, I have allowed the Win8.1 laptop that was catching dust here to update to Windows 10. Over the next couple of weeks I'll see if I like it or not, can always return to Windows 8.1 through the hidden Lenovo partition.

That because the return option in Windows 10 doesn't sound like it's too heartening: Back-up and return to Windows 7. Yay! :-)


I hope you won`t get in trouble activating win 7 again.
After 4 weeks IIRC the license moved over to win 10.
That happened to me on my win 8.1 partition.
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Message 1735457 - Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 16:48:26 UTC - in response to Message 1735447.  

Just to notify y'all, I have allowed the Win8.1 laptop that was catching dust here to update to Windows 10. Over the next couple of weeks I'll see if I like it or not, can always return to Windows 8.1 through the hidden Lenovo partition.

That because the return option in Windows 10 doesn't sound like it's too heartening: Back-up and return to Windows 7. Yay! :-)

Greetings Jord,

Yeah, the 'roll back' from Window$ 10 to Win7 Pro 64bit screwed things up for Win7. You can read my nightmare in my MD5 error thread. The title starts "Download errors..." or something like that.

I don't believe that Micro$oft truly wants anyone to roll back to their previous Window$. I believe they sabotaged the roll back just so people would get frustrated and stay with Window$ 10. Good thing I have a tenacious nature. ;)

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Message 1735735 - Posted: 20 Oct 2015, 21:30:02 UTC

I have a new Win 7 64-bit PC and have followed this long thread due to a concern about Win 10 being pushed on me. In the process I've come across mention of Win upgrades to avoid so as not to get a Win 10 icon in my system tray or to allow Microsoft the 'right' to do what I perceive as possible bad things to my PC.

In checking my "update list," since I've switched OFF automatic updates, I see 2 dozen or so "KB" things MS wants me to allow installation. I've looked thru the list and some of them worry me. OK, so I may be a chicken, rather that than a dead duck. :) All below applies to various Win OS's back to Win 7.

Here is a list of scary KB things, to me, at least. You may want to study them before blindly allowing Microsoft to have its way with you? Do you remember the "Dirty Harry" movie where Clint Eastwood says: "Well, punk. I know what you're thinking. Did he fire 6 shots or only 5? Well punk, do you feel lucky?" Ignore what follows at your own risk. :)

Here are the KB's that sound "risky" to me:
KB3042058, KB3069114, KB3080446, KB3086255, KB3087039, KB3087918, KB2952664, KB2999226, KB3035583, KB3075249, KB3080149, KB3083710, and KB3092627

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/exchange/en-
US/a277784d-91c2-4677-aa58-f31d1a2a1d86/windows-update-kb3042058
-causing-error-failure-5627-14005-run-dismexe-during-deployment?
forum=mdt

Windows Update KB3042058 causing error - "FAILURE (5627): 14005: Run
DISM.exe" during deployment

===============
http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-patch-to-fix-
windows-8-update-kb3069114-installation-issues-492600.shtml

Microsoft Releases Patch to Fix Windows 8 Update KB3069114 Installation
Issues.

KB3069114 is one of the security updates that Microsoft released this
month for Windows 8 users, but due to an unknown problem, the patch fails
to install on a lot of computers running this particular OS version and
despite all the workarounds that have been published online since then, it
was pretty much impossible to resolve these issues.

===============
http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/172054-kb3080446

"I was checking what kb3080446 was for and the link in windows update is
broken and a search comes up w/ zip.
edit
Maybe I am just too quick but that is not the only one... "

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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-
gaming/kb3086255-is-this-a-half-baked-solution-or-am-i/13d4c03e-f04f-
40b9-b438-e903eda3cab9?auth=1

"KB3086255 - Is this a half-baked solution or am I doing something
wrong?" I have other 'standard' users on this system, so to make my PC secure by installing this update, am I supposed to give them the Admin password so
they can then start a service, play the game, and then hopefully remember
to stop it again once they have finished?

If I set the registry values as mentioned, isn't that more or less the same
as removing the update? I'm sure RTW isn't the only game affected.

Any other workarounds other than remove the update?

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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-
update/windows-7-upgrade-kb3087039-fails-with-error/7fd5f4c8-c8dd-
4714-86cc-fd922b89942f

"Windows 7 upgrade KB3087039 fails with error 80070005"

"I have run Fix Windows Update Issues and MSFixit but neither helped.
Where can I go from here? I am running as administrator and have had no
problems with earlier updates. I need this update in order to proceed with
Windows 10 upgrade."

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http://www.askbeen.com/327056/windows-7-update-for-windows-7-
kb3087918-critical

"Windows 7 - Update for Windows 7 KB3087918 Critical"

"According to Belarc Advisor, the subject critical update is not installed on
my computer running Windows 7 Professional SP1 that is otherwise fully
updated. A search of Installed Updates confirms that it is missing.
Searching Microsoft Support / Microsoft Answers returns three results
for KB3087918 as an Update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8.0
respectively, but nothing for Windows 7."

===============
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2833825/microsoft-windows/windows-7
-patch-kb-2952664-fails-with-error-80242016.html

"Windows 7 patch KB 2952664 fails with error 80242016"

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https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/aspnet/en-US/1969e78b-
f2cd-4d6a-97d4-a378e613d0ba/installation-gets-stuck-on-update-for-
microsoft-windows-kb2999226?forum=vssetup

Installation gets stuck on "Update for Microsoft Windows (KB2999226)"

"I've been trying all day to install Visual Studios Community 2015 on my
Windows 7 machine, but I always get stuck at this step. The installer completes the "Acquiring" steps perfectly, but the "Applying" step never progresses and always sticks at "Update for Microsoft Windows (KB2999226)".

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http://www.myce.com/news/how-to-uninstall-kb3035583-the-windows-10-
downloader-for-windows-7-and-8-1-75681/

How to uninstall KB3035583 – The Windows 10 Downloader for Windows 7
and 8.1

"Users that want to remove the KB3035583 “Windows 10 downloader”
update from their Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 installation can take several
steps to get rid of the update. The “Windows 10 downloader” update is
installed as recommended update KB3035583 and adds a /Windows/System32/GWX folder to the system. The folder contains
GWX.exe which has the description “Get Windows 10”."

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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-
update/kb3075249-kb3080149-and-kb3068708-are-they-
really/3282dc4d-61eb-4046-8b3d-2789a316448d

KB3075249, KB3080149, and KB3068708: are they really uninstalled?

"After learning today that Microsoft has decided to track Windows 7 & 8
users the way they are tracking Windows 10 users, I decided to uninstall
the 3 updates that are enabling the tracking. I found them in my update
history, clicked on "Installed Updates", found them in that list, right-
clicked on each one and uninstalled it."

===============
http://whiskeytangotexas.com/tag/kb3080149/

Not just 10: Microsoft caught spying on Windows 7 and 8 users too

"Microsoft has been caught installing updates onto Windows 7 and 8
computers that effectively introduce the same diagnostic telemetry
technology used in Windows 10. It indiscriminately uploads data to
Microsoft’s servers, a major privacy concern for many."

===============
http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/383128-
windows-update-kb3083710-win-10-tracking-related.html

Windows 7: Is Windows update (KB3083710) Win 10 or tracking related?

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3092627

September 2015 update to fix Windows or application freezes after you
install security update 3076895
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Message 1735848 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 3:51:36 UTC - in response to Message 1735735.  

Refer to my color-coded list of updates to avoid to ease your concerns.
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Message 1735942 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 13:38:40 UTC - in response to Message 1735848.  

Wow! THANK YOU kind Sir. :) I was unaware such a wonderful list existed in the universe. It really bothers me that Microsoft wants everyone to fall "in lock step, like lemmings, and march over a cliff."

I had no clue until I did what I did and learned that some KB files were making "corrections" to earlier KB files! OMG.

THANK YOU once again. I will study your post line by line. :)
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Message 1736192 - Posted: 22 Oct 2015, 12:18:57 UTC

Here's another problem with this latest disaster from M$S http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/motherboard-bios-firmware-update-can-trigger-windows-10-inactive.html


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Message 1736201 - Posted: 22 Oct 2015, 13:19:53 UTC - in response to Message 1736192.  

Here's another problem with this latest disaster from M$S http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/motherboard-bios-firmware-update-can-trigger-windows-10-inactive.html


Wow. Perhaps Micro$oft has finally outsmarted itself.......hello Linux!

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Message 1736209 - Posted: 22 Oct 2015, 13:41:57 UTC - in response to Message 1736192.  

LOL...

Microsoft already has made promises that with the next Windows10 update things will get better. But more and more problems arise. For example if you would upgrade your PC with new hardware, chances are likely your license is revoked. Trying to reactivate or calling Microsoft to make that happen often does not result into your license getting activated again - as 'new hardware' is indicative for a new PC. Meaning you will need to purchase a new license.

Even more frustrating is the fact that when you upgraded to Windows 10 coming from Windows 7 or 8 and then later on update your motherboard BIOS, your new Windows 10 license will render itself inactive. At that point Windows very likely cannot re-activate on-line online, calling Microsoft tech support for a phone re-activation won't help you either as they cannot reactivate your license based on the upgraded Windows 7 or 8 key.

Sounds like something we've discussed before in this thread.
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Message 1736212 - Posted: 22 Oct 2015, 13:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 1736209.  
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LOL...

Microsoft already has made promises that with the next Windows10 update things will get better. But more and more problems arise. For example if you would upgrade your PC with new hardware, chances are likely your license is revoked. Trying to reactivate or calling Microsoft to make that happen often does not result into your license getting activated again - as 'new hardware' is indicative for a new PC. Meaning you will need to purchase a new license.

Even more frustrating is the fact that when you upgraded to Windows 10 coming from Windows 7 or 8 and then later on update your motherboard BIOS, your new Windows 10 license will render itself inactive. At that point Windows very likely cannot re-activate on-line online, calling Microsoft tech support for a phone re-activation won't help you either as they cannot reactivate your license based on the upgraded Windows 7 or 8 key.

Sounds like something we've discussed before in this thread.


The most spicy detail about that that old Win7/8 key is gone too after such "update". Nice move to invalidate older keys, indeed :D

And definitely absolutely nothing tells us that same situation in any way could apply to Win10 Windows transition....
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