I think it's farther from the truth than you care to realize. There is absolutely no reason for Microsoft to risk a class-action lawsuit with giving away Windows 10 for free, then forcing people to pay for it later. It just isn't going to happen.

LoL. Pink glasses are good ones... sometimes :)
There is the reason. Simple reason, self-enough reason. It's called MONEY.
If their market department decides it's good for increase revenue - they will do it. Period. There were such guesses in press already. And M$ did not reject them directly AFAIK. They said there will be "Windows" at some point in the future. Not "Windows 10", but "Windows". At moment of transition from "Windows 10" to "Windows" "as a service" annual payment can be introduced. Either provide direct links to official M$ statement that this will definitely not happen or "please stop the stupidity".

In a capitalist society, if you no longer want to purchase a product, quit purchasing it.

There are such things as "natural monopolies". M$ can be viewed as one of such. Cause Windows OS per se is only small part of Windows ecosystem that includes not only software but hardware also. "Quit purchasing" in such case would mean to throw away much more than single product. And treated as natural monopoly M$ should be regulated outside of it in things what they can and what they can not do.

As a user of Windows, since 3.1 -

Linux is starting to get my interest.

Same here.

Seriously thinking of getting a small laptop so that I can try it out without upsetting my main machine.

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Kevin

In a capitalist society, if you no longer want to purchase a product, quit purchasing it.

There are such things as "natural monopolies". M$ can be viewed as one of such. Cause Windows OS per se is only small part of Windows ecosystem that includes not only software but hardware also. "Quit purchasing" in such case would mean to throw away much more than single product. And treated as natural monopoly M$ should be regulated outside of it in things what they can and what they can not do.

That is not going to happen in this country and AFAIK it is being done to a certain extent in the EU.

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I think it's farther from the truth than you care to realize. There is absolutely no reason for Microsoft to risk a class-action lawsuit with giving away Windows 10 for free, then forcing people to pay for it later. It just isn't going to happen.

LoL. Pink glasses are good ones... sometimes :)

Indeed. Your post proves just that.

There is the reason. Simple reason, self-enough reason. It's called MONEY.
If their market department decides it's good for increase revenue - they will do it. Period. There were such guesses in press already. And M$ did not reject them directly AFAIK. They said there will be "Windows" at some point in the future. Not "Windows 10", but "Windows". At moment of transition from "Windows 10" to "Windows" "as a service" annual payment can be introduced.

Agreed, but that will be a separate product. They are not going to force existing Windows users into such a payment plan.

Either provide direct links to official M$ statement that this will definitely not happen or "please stop the stupidity".

What? So I have to prove a negative before it can be true? I would think it would be on the person making the claim to provide the proof. Or they're just wild allegations on Microsoft's future products. I'm merely saying I think the wild allegations are off base.

I have already decided that my windows 7 will be THE LAST M$ SOFTWARE THAT I EVER USE!!!!!!! I am working with Linux Mint and Ubuntu for my next OS and am more than willing to learn and make the change. As of right now M$ has a major internal problem if they think that this is O.K. the attempt to blend mobile and desktop is stupid it did not go over well with 8 and it will not work now and as far as the privacy invasions and data collection it IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!! IF THE POLICE WANTED THAT KIND OF INFORMATION THEY WOULD NEED A COURT ORDER TO GET IT PUTTING IT IN THE EULA DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGAL IN ANY COURT OR ANYWHERE ELSE IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN M$ TRYING TO FORCE EVERYBODY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT So all of us need to tell everyone we know to stay away from win10 and to be careful about windows update(I already have told many people that I work with and have set my in-laws computer for no updates so I can watch over them) If enough people stay away then maybe????????????? M$ will rethink it's position if not it sucks to be them.

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ME AND MY BOY LOOKING FOR ET

In a capitalist society, if you no longer want to purchase a product, quit purchasing it.

There are such things as "natural monopolies". M$ can be viewed as one of such. Cause Windows OS per se is only small part of Windows ecosystem that includes not only software but hardware also. "Quit purchasing" in such case would mean to throw away much more than single product. And treated as natural monopoly M$ should be regulated outside of it in things what they can and what they can not do.

The words you're looking for is de facto monopoly. Yes, Microsoft could be considered a de facto monopoly, but I highly disagree that they should be regulated. There are choices, and while making that choice might be hard, they are still options. Let the market take care of itself. If you don't vote with your wallet, then you're contributing to the problem.

I don't know what all the complaining is in here.

In a capitalist society, if you no longer want to purchase a product, quit purchasing it.

I'm pretty sure I've already bought my last windows operating system.

As hard as it is for some people to believe, yes, I can live without windows and I can live without cable TV. Maybe others can't, but I can.

Yes, I will have to throw away software that only runs unders windows. Yes, it'll cost me more. Yes, I'll have some difficutly figuring out my computing needs under something other than windows. But guess what? It'll just make it harder for Microsoft to get me to purchase their operating system ever again.

Microsoft is relying on the fact that some people can't live without their operating system. They may win that bet. If they do, fine. It just means they now how a captive customer base. A socialist dream! Not gonna be my problem... For those of you complaining the loudest in here, why is it Microsoft's problem and why do they need to fix it? A simpler solution is for *you* to fix it. I'm fixing it. Why can't you?

Well done. Good post, sir.

As the apparent Luddite in this thread I have a few points to state.
All I use a PC for is e-mail, web surfing, a word processor and a few very simple spreadsheets. I gave up on digital photography along time ago, it was not as much fun as 35mm film. Hence no need to purchase software in the last decade.
The only other thing I use them for is crunching Seti and Einstein. My wants are simple.
I am a 70 yr old retiree on a fixed income with no need for a cell phone so why spend the money?
I do agree with Brutus who was once Guy on a couple of points, I have experienced M$ updates slowing down machines which is not good for my crunching.
Yes I have done something about it as he suggests but my major bitch is the fact that those people came into my PC and altered it to except up dates when I specifically had it set for me to choose.
It seems that I have undone the damage that they did but I will never trust those bastards again. I see a pretty strong similarity to rape!

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my question has probably been answered in this thread, but I can't find it .. that question would be how can update KB2952664 be uninstalled .. control panel/programs and features/installed updates and then uninstall will uninstall it but when the system reboots its back .. update selection on this machine is set "check for updates but let me install"

Then that seems to me that it's not actually uninstalling it. Or there's another option on your end that automatically installs optional updates? *shrug*

You could try to override whatever checkboxes may or may not be enabled with the registry key. Specifically, AUoptions. Set it to 2.
And make/change AutoInstallMinorUpdates to 0.

As far as getting rid of the update.. I like the command-line option from an administrative command prompt.

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /quiet /norestart

Give it a few minutes and then restart, after doing those registry entries, and it should show back up as an available update and ask to be installed, at which point.. right-click > hide.

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

Or there's another option on your end that automatically installs optional updates? *shrug*

The culprit in my W7 and W8 machines was a "new" option in the control panel which by default was activated. The option was to notify me of new M$ products and it stated it may also install updates. That did raise my blood pressure.

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As the apparent Luddite in this thread I have a few points to state.

I never called you a Luddite. But once again, words get tossed around and people take them as they wish.

All I use a PC for is e-mail, web surfing, a word processor and a few very simple spreadsheets. I gave up on digital photography along time ago, it was not as much fun as 35mm film. Hence no need to purchase software in the last decade.
The only other thing I use them for is crunching Seti and Einstein. My wants are simple.
I am a 70 yr old retiree on a fixed income with no need for a cell phone so why spend the money?

So then don't spend the money and don't upgrade or buy things you don't need.

Yes I have done something about it as he suggests but my major bitch is the fact that those people came into my PC and altered it

No one went into your PC. It's not like Microsoft hired people to go into every person's machine and put stuff there. This was always a part of the Windows Update mechanism. You allowed it. Microsoft is offering a free OS upgrade and is providing it as an update to your existing OS. If you don't want it, you don't have to install it. Simple as that.

to except up dates when I specifically had it set for me to choose.
It seems that I have undone the damage that they did but I will never trust those bastards again. I see a pretty strong similarity to rape!

You don't find that comparison a bit over-dramatic? They're just software updates.

my question has probably been answered in this thread, but I can't find it .. that question would be how can update KB2952664 be uninstalled .. control panel/programs and features/installed updates and then uninstall will uninstall it but when the system reboots its back .. update selection on this machine is set "check for updates but let me install"

I was cleaning all of the Win10 crap out of a friends laptop and I had trouble with that update also. I would uninstall it, but it seemed like something was not allowing it to uninstall. After trying several things I booted into Safe Mode, then it would uninstall properly and stay uninstalled.

This worked for me, hope that it works for you.

Don't forget to hide it afterwards.

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Bruce

To help those who are struggling with uninstalling the Windoze10 up/down grades her's the batch file I run:

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2957026 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2977759 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3065987 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075851 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075851 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083324 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083710 /quiet /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3083711 /quiet /norestart

Copy the above, save it as a .bat file, and run after every windows up/down grade.

If Cosmic, or anyone else, adds to the list edit then the file, adding the new kb numbers at the end and run it - I'm pretty certain that despite hiding these updates some are creeping through by being rolled into others.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

I think it's farther from the truth than you care to realize. There is absolutely no reason for Microsoft to risk a class-action lawsuit with giving away Windows 10 for free, then forcing people to pay for it later. It just isn't going to happen.

LoL. Pink glasses are good ones... sometimes :)

Indeed. Your post proves just that.

There is the reason. Simple reason, self-enough reason. It's called MONEY.
If their market department decides it's good for increase revenue - they will do it. Period. There were such guesses in press already. And M$ did not reject them directly AFAIK. They said there will be "Windows" at some point in the future. Not "Windows 10", but "Windows". At moment of transition from "Windows 10" to "Windows" "as a service" annual payment can be introduced.

Agreed, but that will be a separate product. They are not going to force existing Windows users into such a payment plan.

Either provide direct links to official M$ statement that this will definitely not happen or "please stop the stupidity".

What? So I have to prove a negative before it can be true? I would think it would be on the person making the claim to provide the proof. Or they're just wild allegations on Microsoft's future products. I'm merely saying I think the wild allegations are off base.

Ozz,

And this is where you are wrong about my original post. I was hypothesizing, speculating, whatever you want to call it. I was NOT stating facts.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

In a capitalist society, if you no longer want to purchase a product, quit purchasing it.

There are such things as "natural monopolies". M$ can be viewed as one of such. Cause Windows OS per se is only small part of Windows ecosystem that includes not only software but hardware also. "Quit purchasing" in such case would mean to throw away much more than single product. And treated as natural monopoly M$ should be regulated outside of it in things what they can and what they can not do.

The words you're looking for is de facto monopoly. Yes, Microsoft could be considered a de facto monopoly, but I highly disagree that they should be regulated. There are choices, and while making that choice might be hard, they are still options. Let the market take care of itself. If you don't vote with your wallet, then you're contributing to the problem.

Ozz,

Being retired, I have a lot of time on my hands. If I have nothing 'constructive' to do like fixing something in/on the house or mowing and trimming the lawns, I play 2 online games to pass the time, World of Warcraft and Star Trek Online. Those games do not have a Mac version let alone a Linux version. So you're telling those of us that do not like Window$ and/or Micro$oft to quit paying them and dump the OS? Well, there goes my games then.

Oh sure, I can try to get the games to work in Wine on Linux (which I plan to attempt anyway), but I believe, from some googling I have done, that there will be some major work involved in it. But, I do like a challenge no and again... :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Agreed, but that will be a separate product. They are not going to force existing Windows users into such a payment plan.

Either provide direct links to official M$ statement that this will definitely not happen or "please stop the stupidity".

What? So I have to prove a negative before it can be true? I would think it would be on the person making the claim to provide the proof. Or they're just wild allegations on Microsoft's future products. I'm merely saying I think the wild allegations are off base.

It could be considered as separate product if Win10 users would allowed to stay with Win10. But all current M$ behavior clearly implies that Win10->Win transition will be w/o any opt out.

Well, your thoughts already known on these forums. Good that you formulate it now as only your thoughts. Cause reality can be just opposite. All are only guessing currently, but some guesses follow from observed M$ behavior and some just... let say wishful thinking.

As Jord said already your views (and you again rejected to provide any factological base to them) should not be ground for blackening others views. You trust to M$. Others not. And I would say they have good reasons to do so, really good ones.

P.S. And regarding claims: my claim M$ will at some point force us to do annual payment for PC Windows OS. If public reaction will be not fierce enough it will happen.
Supporting facts: Office 365, "windows as service", M$ officials talks of attractivity of annual payment and rental software.

Your claim as I understand it - it will not happen. Supporting ?

As far as getting rid of the update.. I like the command-line option from an administrative command prompt.

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /quiet /norestart

Give it a few minutes and then restart, after doing those registry entries, and it should show back up as an available update and ask to be installed, at which point.. right-click > hide.

Thank you Cosmic, Bruce and Rob for your suggestions
that worked :)
Kevin

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Greetings,

Someone wants facts, well here are some. First a question:

What percentage of the market does a company need before they are considered a monopoly?

In just 2 months of life, Window$ 10 has garnered 6.63% of the market for Operating Systems surpassing Mac OS X 10.10 at 4.91%, Linux at 1.74% and Others at 4.66%. Micro$oft holds, by my calculations as of this moment, 88.69% of the market for Operating Systems.

Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath