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Message 1707527 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 1:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 1707503.  

I have the drives and I'm not even asking for money. I just thought you'd rather do other things with your cash than hand it over to Central.
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Message 1707541 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 2:19:31 UTC - in response to Message 1707527.  

I have the drives and I'm not even asking for money. I just thought you'd rather do other things with your cash than hand it over to Central.

Two full size SATA drives for the two Desktops, (Farragut and Prometheus), with cloning software would save us almost $345 for two computers. And, I appreciate that offer, I just don't want to be wasting your time too... I would need assistance with the cloning software since I've never used any cloning software before.

If you are unable to help with the cloning; then I'd still feel more comfortable taking the systems to Central. I can take your drives in, and they will work with them, that saves my dad and I on hardware charges. ($79.00 per 1 TB SATA.) (I'm assuming they're 1 TB drives??? I just wanted to give Win 10, and all future OSes "growing" room.)

The laptops, (Voyager and Black_Widow), would still need to go in... ($79.95 cloning per laptop, plus hard drives. $100 for Voyager, and $79.95 for Black_Widow.)

Any and all help is ALWAYS appreciated, WOOHOO. I just don't want to be taking advantage of anyone.


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Message 1707544 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 2:25:47 UTC

The migration software that came with my Samsung SSD was nothing short of amazing.....
Plugged the SSD into a USB port with a SATA/USB adapter and launched the software disk. It took about 2-1/2 hours, and built a mirror image of my system on the SSD. Unplugged the hard drive, plugged in the SSD, and it took off like nothing ever happened.
Except for booting in 10 seconds VS several minutes from the hard drive...LOL.
It's now a hoot to reboot.

I dunno if that software is available stand alone, or if it would work under any other scenarios.
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Message 1707571 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 4:17:46 UTC - in response to Message 1707544.  

The migration software that came with my Samsung SSD was nothing short of amazing.....
Plugged the SSD into a USB port with a SATA/USB adapter and launched the software disk. It took about 2-1/2 hours, and built a mirror image of my system on the SSD. Unplugged the hard drive, plugged in the SSD, and it took off like nothing ever happened.
Except for booting in 10 seconds VS several minutes from the hard drive...LOL.
It's now a hoot to reboot.

I dunno if that software is available stand alone, or if it would work under any other scenarios.

Most of the SSD manufactures provide some kind of disk cloning tool that can be downloaded from their website. However some will only clone to a drive from the manufacture. I have been using Norton/Symantec Ghost for about 15 years & so far it hasn't let me down.
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Message 1707607 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 6:30:32 UTC

There's a free handy cloning suite available as a live-CD that will do a disk-to-disk or disk-to-image clone, it is called CloneZilla. I personally have not used it, but I've read good things about it over the years.
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Message 1707692 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 14:47:47 UTC - in response to Message 1707607.  

There's a free handy cloning suite available as a live-CD that will do a disk-to-disk or disk-to-image clone, it is called CloneZilla. I personally have not used it, but I've read good things about it over the years.

I used CloneZilla prior to upgrading my xw9400 to Win 7 (and then Win 10). The UI is somewhat clunky but it works. It took about an hour to clone a 250GB drive. The drawback seems to be that the cloned image apparently can't be used directly. (At least I couldn't boot from it.) It has to be "restored" to another drive. Perhaps there was a different option I could have chosen at the beginning of the cloning process, but I don't recall now what the steps were.
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Message 1707702 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 15:33:18 UTC - in response to Message 1707692.  

There's a free handy cloning suite available as a live-CD that will do a disk-to-disk or disk-to-image clone, it is called CloneZilla. I personally have not used it, but I've read good things about it over the years.

I used CloneZilla prior to upgrading my xw9400 to Win 7 (and then Win 10). The UI is somewhat clunky but it works. It took about an hour to clone a 250GB drive. The drawback seems to be that the cloned image apparently can't be used directly. (At least I couldn't boot from it.) It has to be "restored" to another drive. Perhaps there was a different option I could have chosen at the beginning of the cloning process, but I don't recall now what the steps were.

See, this is the stuff I want to avoid... It makes me want to pull my hair out... "Clunky" and "NOT bootable" are unacceptable to me... This is why I would want to take each computer to Central, and give the headache of cloning to them! Or, if Woohoo can help me clone the desktop drives, as he's offered, I'd accept that help... Worst case, is that Woohoo doesn't want to do the cloning; so, I take the drives that he wants to give me for the two Desktops, (Farragut and Prometheus), and take them to Central and pay them to clone the two systems.

My goal is to have Win 7 untouched by Win 10 on their original drives per system, stored in case Win 10 becomes a MAJOR debacle... Which realistically I DON'T anticipate happening... I would hope that once cloned, that Win 10 will just pickup and Upgrade Win 7 on the cloned drives without incident.

If, in upgrading Prometheus, Win 10 corrupts the display drivers on my system, I will just pull the cloned drive out, reinstall the original 250 GB Win 7 drive, and move on with Win 7. I will then stay with Win 7 on Prometheus until such time as I have money to change the Motherboard and CPU and get rid of the GeForce 9400 soldered in card altogether. Then repeat the clone process on the replacement Motherboard and cloned drive and Upgrade to Win 10 again...


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Message 1707704 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 15:35:25 UTC - in response to Message 1707692.  

There's a free handy cloning suite available as a live-CD that will do a disk-to-disk or disk-to-image clone, it is called CloneZilla. I personally have not used it, but I've read good things about it over the years.

I used CloneZilla prior to upgrading my xw9400 to Win 7 (and then Win 10). The UI is somewhat clunky but it works. It took about an hour to clone a 250GB drive. The drawback seems to be that the cloned image apparently can't be used directly. (At least I couldn't boot from it.) It has to be "restored" to another drive. Perhaps there was a different option I could have chosen at the beginning of the cloning process, but I don't recall now what the steps were.


Clonezilla makes perfect clones of any hdd even ones that are somewhat damaged with a couple advanced options .Each clone is perfectly bootable unless you screwed up getting the settings right at the beginning .

i always recommend using the advanced options and make sure you always clone the bootloader with it

there is also multiple clonezilla distros on their webpage and the one based on debian/ubuntu works best
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Message 1707710 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 15:55:53 UTC - in response to Message 1707704.  

There's a free handy cloning suite available as a live-CD that will do a disk-to-disk or disk-to-image clone, it is called CloneZilla. I personally have not used it, but I've read good things about it over the years.

I used CloneZilla prior to upgrading my xw9400 to Win 7 (and then Win 10). The UI is somewhat clunky but it works. It took about an hour to clone a 250GB drive. The drawback seems to be that the cloned image apparently can't be used directly. (At least I couldn't boot from it.) It has to be "restored" to another drive. Perhaps there was a different option I could have chosen at the beginning of the cloning process, but I don't recall now what the steps were.


Clonezilla makes perfect clones of any hdd even ones that are somewhat damaged with a couple advanced options .Each clone is perfectly bootable unless you screwed up getting the settings right at the beginning .

i always recommend using the advanced options and make sure you always clone the bootloader with it

there is also multiple clonezilla distros on their webpage and the one based on debian/ubuntu works best

Yeah, as I say, I don't remember what the exact options were, but I chose to make an image copy so that I could restore XP on the original drive if Win 7 and Win 10 didn't work out. For that image copy, Clonezilla copied every sector from the original drive, even the unused ones, but it stored them on the "cloned" drive as a bunch of 4GB gz files in an xw9400_2015-07-18-img folder, so the image isn't actually bootable "as is". It has to be restored. I think that doing it this way is probably best for someone wanting to rapidly create multiple cloned copies of the original drive which, of course, isn't my goal. I don't think I "screwed up" any settings, I just chose what seemed to be appropriate for my goal of preserving an image of my original drive that could be restored if I needed it. And, given my issues with Win 10, I may very well need it! ;^)
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Message 1707726 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 16:40:00 UTC

Windows 10 May Share Your Wi-Fi Password with Facebook.
If you're taking up Microsoft on its offer of a free upgrade to Windows 10, you should know that the new operating system has a feature, called Wi-Fi Sense, that automatically shares your Wi-Fi passwords with others.

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Message 1707730 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 16:55:00 UTC - in response to Message 1707726.  

Windows 10 May Share Your Wi-Fi Password with Facebook.
If you're taking up Microsoft on its offer of a free upgrade to Windows 10, you should know that the new operating system has a feature, called Wi-Fi Sense, that automatically shares your Wi-Fi passwords with others.


I wish people would check these things out before making them sound like a national security disaster. I have already adjusted the settings on my system, to my liking. Also, if you read the config information in Settings, the shared passwords are not VISIBLE. I think you oversimplified and over exaggerated at the same time...

A simple Google or Bing search will bring you all of the information you need to subdue the great MS Spying machine. Be careful though, Google will use all of your search information against you...
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Message 1707742 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 17:08:43 UTC
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/wi-fi-sense-faq

This should help with the WiFi paranoia. Please read and comment, I do not know everything...
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Message 1707749 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 17:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 1707385.  

What's one persons Bug, may be someone elses feature..

Or in this case, both..
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Message 1707762 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 17:38:27 UTC - in response to Message 1707726.  

Windows 10 May Share Your Wi-Fi Password with Facebook.
If you're taking up Microsoft on its offer of a free upgrade to Windows 10, you should know that the new operating system has a feature, called Wi-Fi Sense, that automatically shares your Wi-Fi passwords with others.

Greetings,

Ok, this is the LAST straw! Windoze 10 is NOT going on any computer I own or will build in the future. I thought Micro$oft had customer's 'security' as a priority. Luckily I no longer use my FB page. I have 'friends' on the list that I don't know, but are on my list because they are friends of people I do know that are on my list. I no longer Skype (because it belongs to Micro$oft) or have a Hotmail or whatever account. My information and especially my Wi-Fi will remain secure.

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Message 1707777 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 18:11:57 UTC - in response to Message 1707730.  
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I have already adjusted the settings on my system, to my liking.

The thing is, you shouldn't have to adjust anything if you put your privacy first. Why does a setting like this have to be on by default, and do you have to search through multiple tens of menus to turn it off?

What is the use of anyone in your address book being able to get onto your Wifi when they are in the neighborhood of your house? Remember, they don't even need to be in your house here to use this function, they could do it from their car parked in the street. Do you know everyone in your address book? Do you know everyone in their address books? It doesn't matter that the password isn't visible, the connecting occurs automatic, and any slightly bad person on either list can then park a van in front of your house and tap your wifi without you knowing it.

From your own FAQ link:
Automatically connect you to open Wi‑Fi networks it knows about by crowdsourcing networks that other people using Windows have connected to.


And further along:
What determines if Wi‑Fi Sense will automatically connect to open Wi‑Fi hotspots?
Wi‑Fi Sense will automatically connect you to suggested open Wi‑Fi hotspots if you have Connect to suggested open hotspots turned on in Settings > Network & Internet > Wi‑Fi > Manage Wi‑Fi settings. This is turned on already if you did either of these:

* Selected Use Express settings when you first set up your PC with Windows 10.

Know how many people use the Express install?
Know how many people do not read what the blurb says and just click OK?
Know how many people do not really know how their computer works or what it all does?
They should all give up their privacy just because Microsoft says so?

It's all right to be a Windows 10 fanboy, but do give others the right to advocate against it, without burning them and their posts down at every opportunity you have.
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Message 1707791 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 18:43:34 UTC

10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.
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Message 1707798 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 19:00:35 UTC

Well I admit that after several days with Win 10 I like it a lot, the interface seems clean and fast, everything is where it should be and I have no user complaints.

However hiding the privacy options behind the "Express" option is an extremely bad business decision, and I will be telling all my non computer savvy friends not to upgrade, as MS will share all their data with everybody.

I learnt about the options from these forums and was able to turn them all off but they should all be off by default with the option to turn them on.

Even if after the install the first screen you got was that option screen then that should have been how any responsible company would have behaved.

Then again their attitude is probably "well it was free what do you expect"
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Message 1707823 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 19:49:52 UTC - in response to Message 1707791.  

10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.


Maybe its more a case of, Windows 10....produced by Micro$oft, designed by NSA & GCHQ and used by the wary! Everyone knows that there is no such thing as a free lunch, don't they? I'd already made up my mind to stick with 7 Pro and I'm not seeing anything yet that persuades me away from that, even slightly.
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Message 1707827 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 20:04:23 UTC

If a company offers you a product that usually costs hundred or more dollars for free, would you not ask yourself: Where is the catch?

Or are people really that stupid?
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Message 1707849 - Posted: 2 Aug 2015, 20:48:59 UTC - in response to Message 1707702.  

See, this is the stuff I want to avoid... It makes me want to pull my hair out... "Clunky" and "NOT bootable" are unacceptable to me... This is why I would want to take each computer to Central, and give the headache of cloning to them! Or, if Woohoo can help me clone the desktop drives, as he's offered, I'd accept that help... Worst case, is that Woohoo doesn't want to do the cloning; so, I take the drives that he wants to give me for the two Desktops, (Farragut and Prometheus), and take them to Central and pay them to clone the two systems.

My goal is to have Win 7 untouched by Win 10 on their original drives per system, stored in case Win 10 becomes a MAJOR debacle... Which realistically I DON'T anticipate happening... I would hope that once cloned, that Win 10 will just pickup and Upgrade Win 7 on the cloned drives without incident.

Okay, well, here's an idea then. You said Win7, right? Then it has built-in backup & restore, and you can make an entire system image and save it to another drive letter. I know for sure (because I've done it) that the image that is made can be mounted in disk management (winkey+R > diskmgmt.msc) as a read-only virtual drive. That's about as close as you're going to get to the image itself being "bootable."

However, imaging software generally always copies the master boot sector, as well as the boot sector of the partition(s), so when you restore the image back to another HDD (or the same one later), the boot sectors are restored, as well, making that HDD bootable.

So what if the interface for clonezilla is "a little clunky"? It's free, isn't it? Me, personally, I'd just deal with "a little clunky" if it meant not spending money. But that's just me. *shrug*
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