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Igor Kostyaev Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 763 Credit: 80,254,329 RAC: 91 |
But a good estimate can be made by looking at the number of different languages spoken in the USA. But a spoken language is not synonym of official language. Russia is federative state with the republics of many ethnic groups, there is more 25 local official languages, besides Russian. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Russia is federative state with the republics of many ethnic groups, there is more 25 local official languages, besides Russian. I know that Putin speak some Swedish. Does that qualify to an official language? I mean Putin is the president of Russia and have the highest official position:) http://gamla.hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-10-02/507096/putin-talar-svenska And Sergey Ivanov who was the Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office. Ivanov is fluent in English and Swedish as well as speaking Norwegian, and some French. Putin and Ivanov used to speak Swedish when they met. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
But a good estimate can be made by looking at the number of different languages spoken in the USA. But Igor, the USA does not have an official language, at all. Most US Native Speakers By Language Rank Primary Language Spoken at Home in the US Number of speakers 1 English 231,122,908 2 Spanish 37,458,470 3 Chinese (incl. Cantonese, Mandarin, other Chinese languages) 2,896,766 4 French and French Creole 2,047,467 5 Tagalog 1,613,346 6 Vietnamese 1,399,936 7 Korean 1,117,343 8 German 1,063,773 9 Arabic 924,374 10 Russian 879,434 11 Italian 708,966 12 Portuguese 693,469 13 Hindi 643,337 14 Polish 580,153 15 Japanese 449,475 16 Urdu 397,502 17 Persian 391,113 18 Gujarati 373,253 19 Greek 304,932 20 Bengali 257,740 21 Panjabi 253,740 22 Telugu 247,760 23 Armenian 237,840 24 Hmong 214,943 25 Hebrew 212,747 http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-spoken-languages-in-america.html That is the top 25 of the 311 languages. Now then, here in Texas, we have people that speak 164 of those 311 languages. Top 10 languages other than English spoken in Texas households Of the nearly 24 million people in Texas five years or older, 65 percent speak only English at home. The rest speak more than 160 languages combined. Language Number of Speakers Spanish 6,983,380 Vietnamese 193,408 Chinese* 140,971 Tagalog 72,248 German 69,140 French 60,730 Hindi 59,602 Urdu 57,662 Korean 55,794 Arabic 55,304 https://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/26/languages-spoken-texas-homes/ There is a list of the top 10 non-English languages in Texas. Again, the USA does NOT have an official language. English is only the most common language spoken in the USA... Nothing more. Even the Internal Revenue Service (our Federal US Government's tax collection agency) supports a number of languages.... Including THIS one... https://www.irs.gov/russian https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
MK. Here in Europe an official language means that governments and institutions like school and healthcare have to communicate in those languages. Now for spoken languages. Here when voting there are instructions in 40 languages:) But our tax collection agency only use two! Hmmm... Oh. I forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Sign_Language ]Swedish Sign Language (Svenskt teckenspråk or STS) is the sign language used in Sweden. It is recognized by the Swedish government as the country's official sign language, and hearing parents of deaf children are required to learn it.[4] There are less than 10,000 speakers, making the language endangered.[5] |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
MK. Here in Europe an official language means that governments and institutions like school and healthcare have to communicate in those languages. Yes, that is pretty much the definition of official language here. Government HAS to communicate in that/those languages. But, as I have said, the USA (US Federal Government) does not have one. Some States DO have one or more, however. But a ballot printed in 40 languages? Urrgh... Is that a nationwide requirement for the same list of 40 languages? Here in Texas, we just (usually) print ballots in the top 3 languages... English, Spanish, and Vietnamese. Though I suspect that in some places in Texas, the list of languages might be different. Here is a sample ballot for the May 6, 2017 election for City of Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas (Fort Worth City Council place 9). http://access.tarrantcounty.com/content/dam/main/elections/2017/0517/Sample_Ballots/07-fw9.pdf https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Igor Kostyaev Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 763 Credit: 80,254,329 RAC: 91 |
But Igor, the USA does not have an official language, at all. The USA does have an official language, de-facto. And the U.S. states is not ethnic republics. So it's like comparing apples and oranges, no sense. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But a ballot printed in 40 languages? Urrgh... Is that a nationwide requirement for the same list of 40 languages? It's not the ballot that is printed in 40 languages:) They only list the party and party members you want to vote for. http://www.val.se/val_och_folkomrostningar/ep2014/informationsmaterial/index.html The instructions how to vote however include these. Albanian, Arabic, Bosnian / Croatian / Serbian, Bulgarian, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, Greek, Italian, Yiddish, North Kurdish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Lulean, Meänkieli, Dutch, Northern Sami, Persian Farsi, Romanian Lovari, Romanian Kelderash, Romanian Arli, Romanian Kale, Romanian, Russian, Slovak, Slovene, Sorani (Souther Kurdish), South African, Somali, Spanish *, Swedish *, South Sami, Tigrinian, Czech, Turkish, German and Hungarian. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
But Igor, the USA does not have an official language, at all. Igor, this statement of yours makes no sense. An official language must be official de jure (by law). A language that is most popular is just that... most popular. That does not make it an official language. Besides, English is losing ground to other languages. About 1/3 of Texans now speak a language other than English at home.
No ethnic governments within the USA?? Try telling the Cherokee Nation (and many others) that... The Cherokee Nation is the federally-recognized government of the Cherokee people and as such has sovereign status granted by treaty and law. Its capitol is the W.W. Keeler Complex near Tahlequah, Oklahoma the capital of the Cherokee Nation. Cherokee Nation has operated under a constitutional form of government since 1827. Today there are more than 320,000 registered Cherokee citizens, making us the largest Native American tribe in the United States. http://www.cherokee.org/Our-Government Note: as of 2015, there are 567 federally recognized Tribes in the USA. http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/biaind.pdf Page 1943-1948 for 566... Plus https://www.bia.gov/cs/groups/public/documents/text/idc1-030831.pdf adding 1 more, for a total of 567. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But Igor, the USA does not have an official language, at all.The USA does have an official language, de-facto. What? Don't you speek English over there? Or perhaps do you mean the difference between US English and UK English? And what is a popular language? Here the most "local" popular language is "Ekensnack". Try to translate this. "Hojja ner till tjorren och tjacka taggar till mig" "Rätt just asså". "Å Fan". |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19446 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
English has never been defined as the official language of the English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_entities_where_English_is_an_official_language |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11420 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
English has never been defined as the official language of the English. LOL, yes. That reminds me of an incident I had about 45 years ago.I was playing rugby with a men's club in Seattle. The roster was about half American and half British expats. A team mate kept yelling at me to do something during play and I couldn't understand a word he was saying. After the game while having a beer with the captain, an Englishman I said Dennis I couldn't understand what Ian was trying to say. He responded not to pay him any mind, Ian is a Welshman and no one can understand what they say. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19446 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
English has never been defined as the official language of the English. I know exactly what you mean. When I joined the Army, in the early 60's, I'm certain I was put into that barrack room so that there was an interpreter so that there were not to many misunderstandings. the inhabitants of that barrack room were, a Scotsman from a hamlet between Inverness and John o'Groats, a Glaswegian from the Gorbals, a Geordie from about 5 miles outside Newcastle, two Liverpudlians, but culturally completely different. Good friends there but I suspect back home they wouldn't have even acknowledged each other if they met unexpectedly, a Welshman who's family spoke Welsh at home, so English was a 2nd language, a Cornishman, they're ancient Britons so not really English, two Londoners, a Cockney barrow boy, the other was from Twickenam (not a rugby player), And me son of an ex-pat, who until a year before, had lived in the diplomatic quarter and who's only radio station was the World Service. I think in was about 10 weeks before they could all understand each other. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Oh my God, Liverpudlians. My sister and my nephew Matthew are Liverpudlians. Please have Mercey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os4_U3_L5nY |
Igor Kostyaev Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 763 Credit: 80,254,329 RAC: 91 |
Igor, this statement of yours makes no sense. An official language must be official de jure (by law). A language that is most popular is just that... most popular. That does not make it an official language. An official language of state de-facto is the language of Constitution, code of laws and judges, oath of allegiance. Therefore, de-facto English language is the official language in the USA, still. Besides, English is losing ground to other languages. About 1/3 of Texans now speak a language other than English at home. Besides, I know that situation. Forecasts that this tendency will lead USA to a collapse, it has appeared many years ago already. And recently, one my friend of Kazakh ethnicity, he had moments with big troubles when he traveled in Texas because some local people tried to speak Spanish with him and they were very angry - "Why you doesn't want to speak your native language?" Some of Kazakhs looks like Mexicans. No ethnic governments within the USA?? Try telling the Cherokee Nation (and many others) that... The local constitution, code of laws and courts/judges in the local languages? Well, one little exception to the rules - this is only one little exception, not 25. And no one of 50 states of United States is ethnic state with prevailing of non-English speaking population, for the present. P.S. All it is offtopic and not interesting for me. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Igor. We all know that most US common people are ignorant. So funny that even some US citizens make jokes about them:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJlY9C7YWzI |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Igor, this statement of yours makes no sense. An official language must be official de jure (by law). A language that is most popular is just that... most popular. That does not make it an official language. We disagree on this one Igor.
I have seen that happen between two Hispanic people. One did not speak Spanish. The other one became angry.
I don't think you understand this one. Cherokee Nation, while it is within the State of Oklahoma, isn't really part of it. The relationship between Cherokee Nation and the US Federal Government is fixed by treaty between the two nations. Yes, the Cherokee Nation is 'one exception'... Also, remember that there are 566 OTHER tribes. Native American tribes in the USA have 'tribal sovereignty'. Federally recognized tribes are considered domestic dependent nations. Tribal sovereignty refers to tribes' right to govern themselves, define their own membership, manage tribal property, and regulate tribal business and domestic relations; it further recognizes the existence of a government-to-government relationship between such tribes and the federal government. Tribal Sovereignty was established in a series of 3 US Supreme Court Cases: Johnson v. M'Intosh (1823), Cherokee Nation v. Georgia (1832), and Worcester v. Georgia (1832) In opinions given by Chief Justice John Marshall. It has since been reaffirmed in a number of cases, especially this one: In Bryan v. Itasca County (1976), the Supreme Court ruled unanimously (9 to 0) (in an opinion given by Justice Brennan) that State tax and regulatory laws do not apply to Native Americans living on reservations (tribal land). In the USA, Native American Tribes have a level of Sovereignty at a level between the States, and the US Federal Government. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Igor Kostyaev Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 763 Credit: 80,254,329 RAC: 91 |
Yes, the Cherokee Nation is 'one exception'... Also, remember that there are 566 OTHER tribes. How many US states is tribal states? ;) How many senators of the United States Senate is Native Americans from the reservations? ;) LOL. P.S. Once again, I doubt that you can say something new for me. All this theme about reservations is not interesting for me. And this is offtopic. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Sneak preview of the upcoming Moscow May Parade, the 9th May celebrations. And in Murmansk and Severomorsk of course. In addition, there will be representatives of the FSB, the Ministry of Emergency Situations and Yunarmiya, the military children and youth organization. https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/05/new-arctic-weapons-display-moscow-may-parade Both Finns and Samis don't like Pantsir-SA and Tor-M2DT in the Arctic! Jarmo Bräkinen. Arga Lappen. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11420 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
How many US states is tribal states? Igor, that is not a valid question, it is sort of like asking " when did you quite hitting your wife?" All this theme about reservations is not interesting for me. That may be true but when you live next to one you would realize they are a very unique subset and not part of a homogeneous political body. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
How many US states is tribal states? Please, Igor probably meant indigenous nations. Yes there are many in the US. But they don't have any political power like indigenous nations in Europe and Asia has. |
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