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Message 1649128 - Posted: 4 Mar 2015, 14:24:12 UTC
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What if Russia demands a naval base in Finland or invades a Swedish Island, for instance Gotland?
Three gloomy scenarios in the Baltic Sea
https://disciplescientist.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/what-if-russia-demands-a-naval-base-in-finland/
Preparing for the worst is vital for every independent nation. Scenarios as possible chains of events are an important tool of assessment.

Scenario 1: Ã…land, Finland
A month ago an oil tanker with a full cargo was captured in the Baltic Sea. Two weeks ago Russia announced that there had been an attempt at sabotage on the Nordstream undersea gas pipe 40 kilometers south of Helsinki. Only a faulty radio-controller unit prevented an explosion and catastrophe.

Scenario 2: Gotland, Sweden
The situation in the Baltic Sea has become very tense. For Sweden and NATO countries only few diplomatic connections remain with Russia. Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia have partial mobilization in place and the state of readiness has been raised for NATO’s new vanguard troops. The Russian troops in Kaliningrad are in a state of constant readiness and they have had three readiness exercises within the last month.

Scenario 3: Narva, Estonia
There is a deepening split between Russia and the rest of Europe, since the invasion of Crimea and the war in eastern Ukraine. In Narva, Estonia, various non-governmental organizations have emerged, all united in their demands that all rights belonging to citizens should also be granted to minorities. The alternative the NGOs present is Narva’s separation from Estonia and joining with Russia.

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Message 1649171 - Posted: 4 Mar 2015, 16:52:56 UTC

Я Русский Оккупант | I'm a Russian Occupant.
If necessary, turn on subtitles: English, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, Slovak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes
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Message 1649309 - Posted: 4 Mar 2015, 21:57:48 UTC

Glen Beck did 10 minutes on Boris Nemtsov's murder covering the power players and what we know about the murder. I had to right click on the screen to bring up the controls under Safari and I am not sure how the links will come up on other browsers.
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Message 1649921 - Posted: 6 Mar 2015, 12:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 1649309.  
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Glen Beck did 10 minutes on Boris Nemtsov's murder covering the power players and what we know about the murder. I had to right click on the screen to bring up the controls under Safari and I am not sure how the links will come up on other browsers.
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That it was a professionally organized attack is no doubt. Nemtsov was always shadowed by the FSB, but he still could be killed on the street by people who apparently felt sure not to get arrested.
In the post-Soviet Russia has the murders of opponents of President Putin re-emerged as an increasingly common problem solver for those in power.
If one of the country's most famous politicians can not be protected close to the Red Square and the Kremlin, packed by securitymen and surveillance cameras, no one else should feel safe.

The girlfriend of Boris Nemtsov said to have been threatened to death in Ukraine.Ukrainian police has now started an investigation into "planned assassination attempt." Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin say they have taken "all necessary measures" to protect the young Ukrainian model Hanna Durytskas life. Among other things, she got bodyguards.
Durytska was there when Nemtsov was gunned down in Moscow on 27 February and got a few days later leave Russia after she protested that she had been detained in his apartment by police. She now lives with his mother in Ukraine, where she should have received death threats.
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Message 1649977 - Posted: 6 Mar 2015, 15:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 1649969.  

Glen Beck did 10 minutes...

Not a Beck supporter, or viewer. Despite what I think of his Paranoia...
He got this correct. The other Media should be ashamed of themselves.

Talking about paranoia.
Putin and Kremlin make stats how Russia is liked by other countries.
Tourists from the Nordic countries have begun to lose their interest in Russia. In 2014 Russia was visited by 13 500 Swedish tourists (reduction of 25 percent), 12 700 Norwegian tourists (down 19 percent) and 13,200 Danes. The amount of tourists from Finland has been reduced dramatically to 68,600, Russian state information agency Regnum says.

Regarding the amount of Russian travelers to the North the reduction of tourist flow is dramatic to Finland (379,200 passengers, a decrease of 58 percent). Tourist flow to Norway has declined 5 percent to 22,800.
The Russian tourist flow to Sweden have increased 13 percent to 44,000 travelers. Meanwhile, the amount of Russian missions to Sweden dropped 22 percent to 5 500. Finland received in 2014 21,200 service visits from Russia (down 54 percent), while Norway had a reduction of 26 percent
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Message 1649996 - Posted: 6 Mar 2015, 17:22:42 UTC - in response to Message 1649969.  

Glen Beck did 10 minutes...

Not a Beck supporter, or viewer. Despite what I think of his Paranoia...

He got this correct. The other Media should be ashamed of themselves.


+10 On all, I quit listening to the 'Sky is Falling' everyday. But sometimes even a Paranoid is correct "They ARE out to get you".

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Message 1650002 - Posted: 6 Mar 2015, 17:50:05 UTC
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I don't know who Glen Beck is. But to do a presentation about Putin and Kremlin is something a high school graduate can do do easily.
His knowledge about Alexander Dugin and Igor Girkin is a bit shallow.
He also didnt mention that Putin has about 200 advisers (read yes sayers) in Kremlin. One is Sergey Markov, Putin's spokesman.
When he threatened both Finland and Sweden by saying "Do you want war?" FM Lavrov said "You shouldn't pay so much attention to a single person"
But doing this in 10 minutes is a good starter.
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Message 1650070 - Posted: 6 Mar 2015, 20:32:06 UTC - in response to Message 1646316.  

Thats not true. the Us wa invaded in by the Brits in the was of 1812. They did burn down the white house. Plus I seem to somewhat remember that todo in New Orleans With Andrew Jackson.
Also dont forget that the Japnenese invaded Wake Island,Guam, Attu, And Kiska. All U.S. possesions at the time.
And do not discount our Northen neighbors. Canada has bloodied our nose twice that I know of. Once during our Revolution, And once after our cival war.
And yes it helps to have a big ass ocean on both sides.

Well, for one, it werent the British that begun the war in 1812, America declared war first and invaded Canada. It took the British 2 years before they were able to launch an offensive against the US and they never came close to conquering the US. All they did was capture some coastal areas, marched against certain cities and they were defeated by the American military. The 2nd Amendment did not play such a massive role.

As for capturing those islands, well if you count that as US territory than yes, I suppose the US has been successfully invaded. Which then just goes to show that no, the 2nd amendment again did not deter nor defeat an enemy invasion into US territory.


Michel, as of 1812, the land we had still wasn't much more than the coastal areas anyway.
James, putting your point together with Michel's, it's apples and oranges. We now span (east-west) the continent. We didn't back then.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 1650133 - Posted: 6 Mar 2015, 23:15:44 UTC
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"To be silent about the trends in Russia today is to show disrespect to the country, the people and its future."

Russian Magazine Features Putin Being Licked by a Bear for Women's Day March 8.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-magazine-features-putin-being-licked-by-bear-for-women-s-day/517039.html

"We shall not allow the smallest provocation or violation" says Sweden FM Margot Wallström about Russia:
http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/ryssland-ett-allvarligt-hot-mot-europas-fred_4388101.svd

"Some paratroopers from Ivanovo have got in touch with me. 17 killed" - one of Boris Nemtsov's last notes
http://reut.rs/1M9lekk

Alexei Navalny: Russian opposition is not deterred by Boris Nemtsov murder
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/06/alexei-navalny-russian-opposition-is-not-deterred-by-boris-nemtsov
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Message 1650302 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 13:27:35 UTC

BBC: Two men arrested in Nemtsov murder. "Anzor Gubashev and Zaur Dadayev, both from the Caucasus region, were detained on Saturday, FSB director Alexander Bortnikov said.

Russian investigators said there were suspected of organising and carrying out the murder."

Putin's scapegoats have been located........

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Message 1650303 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 13:39:13 UTC - in response to Message 1650302.  
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BBC: Two men arrested in Nemtsov murder. "Anzor Gubashev and Zaur Dadayev, both from the Caucasus region, were detained on Saturday, FSB director Alexander Bortnikov said.
Russian investigators said there were suspected of organising and carrying out the murder."
Putin's scapegoats have been located........

That was quick:)
"In addition, it was possible to obtain sufficiently clear photos of the intruders after studying street cameras records system" Flow " - Alexander Bortnikov said
Hang on. Wasn't the cameras off for "maintenace" that very same day?
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vesti.ru%2Fdoc.html%3Fid%3D2406932&edit-text=
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Message 1650335 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 16:15:27 UTC
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Our former FM and PM Carl Bildt tweeted this 2 hours ago:)
"European nations according to second largest nationality within them. Interesting"
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/574204935396528128/photo/1
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Message 1650341 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 16:26:43 UTC - in response to Message 1650339.  

I think the Western world can pretty much decide for themselves what REALLY happened, but of course Russia will go through the motions of a show trial to keep face.
Assumimg conventional ground forces are secondary, and alloeing for surface navies and Airforces, the nuclear subs that are difficult to track could be pivotal in the next West Vs East skirmish.
The UK has four nuclear subs with Trident. 2 operational at any one time anywhere in the world, 1 on maintenance, 1 on training. In a war all 4 would be deployed.
USA has 18 Trident nuclear subs with 24 planned.
Russia has 13 with 16 planned
Borei-class - 3 active, 3 more under construction @ Sevmash.
Typhoon-class - 3 in service (1 active 2 in reserve)
Delta III and Delta IV classes - 3 Delta III class in service, 6 Delta IV class in service.

Boring.
Read some FACTS instead!
http://gyllenhaals.blogspot.se/
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Message 1650343 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 16:32:09 UTC - in response to Message 1650342.  
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Boring.

Maybe to bad tempered Swedish old men.

Read some FACTS instead!

I would if they were in English which 99% of contributors to seti@home understand and would prefer to see.

Of course silly man.
https://twitter.com/LarsGyllenhaal

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Message 1650346 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 16:36:14 UTC - in response to Message 1650345.  
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Thank you, we are most grateful!
Now I can read the damn thing I'll get back.

Sigh...
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Message 1650349 - Posted: 7 Mar 2015, 16:55:42 UTC - in response to Message 1650070.  
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Michel, as of 1812, the land we had still wasn't much more than the coastal areas anyway.
James, putting your point together with Michel's, it's apples and oranges. We now span (east-west) the continent. We didn't back then.

Well, look at a map of that time and you'll see the US consisted of a bit more than just those coastal areas. And that aside, the coastal area itself is pretty huge.

In any case, my point still stands. The 2nd amendment doesn't deter nations from invading the US, the sheer size of territory that would need to be conquered, raw military power of the US army and the impossible logistics involved with such an invasion do.
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Message 1650550 - Posted: 8 Mar 2015, 6:10:22 UTC - in response to Message 1650070.  

Thats not true. the Us wa invaded in by the Brits in the was of 1812. They did burn down the white house. Plus I seem to somewhat remember that todo in New Orleans With Andrew Jackson.
Also dont forget that the Japnenese invaded Wake Island,Guam, Attu, And Kiska. All U.S. possesions at the time.
And do not discount our Northen neighbors. Canada has bloodied our nose twice that I know of. Once during our Revolution, And once after our cival war.
And yes it helps to have a big ass ocean on both sides.

Well, for one, it werent the British that begun the war in 1812, America declared war first and invaded Canada. It took the British 2 years before they were able to launch an offensive against the US and they never came close to conquering the US. All they did was capture some coastal areas, marched against certain cities and they were defeated by the American military. The 2nd Amendment did not play such a massive role.

As for capturing those islands, well if you count that as US territory than yes, I suppose the US has been successfully invaded. Which then just goes to show that no, the 2nd amendment again did not deter nor defeat an enemy invasion into US territory.


Michel, as of 1812, the land we had still wasn't much more than the coastal areas anyway.
James, putting your point together with Michel's, it's apples and oranges. We now span (east-west) the continent. We didn't back then.

As I was speaking in general terms I see your point I should have been more specific. However by the 1840,s Wee did have a presence on the west coast. True the only weay was by ship around South America or wagon train,But many folks did make the trip.
I still state that haveing two big ass oceans on both sides was a deterant utill U-boats and ICBM,s.
As for the U-boats If we had listend to the Brits and had followed their convoy methods way eariler than when we did. The ships sunk off our shores would have been a lot less.
I will try not to be so general in the future when I make a statement.
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Message 1650622 - Posted: 8 Mar 2015, 13:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 1650550.  

I still state that haveing two big ass oceans on both sides was a deterant utill U-boats and ICBM,s.

Indeed. Sweden is protected from The Russian Bear thanks to the Baltic Sea.
No invasions or attacks so far:)
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Message 1650632 - Posted: 8 Mar 2015, 13:44:24 UTC
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Brown bear Popatpytj, 7, got along well with the attendant Misha. They were perhaps too close friends.
Because the bear began to slurp vodka as often as the "caregiver" and became an alcoholic.
Now Popapytj is giving compulsory care at a facility outside the Russian capital - and have learned to love milk.

In the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda there was a story of how the bear Popatpytj was taken care as a year-old bear cub by a "businessman" outside Moscow. The bear lived in a cage in the back yard of a house and was shown for the curious locals. The bear posed on its hind legs and performed all sorts of acts and "business man" / dad took charge of anyone who wanted to take photos of the bear.

Then ended dad in prison because of a series of abusive transactions. His caretaker, "Uncle Misha", took charge of the house and took care of Popatpytj too.
Misha liked occasionally to take a sip of vodka, yes it was indeed that he raced a bottle every day. He let the bear Popatpytj taste the strong product in small doses along with honey and sweets.
The bear became accustomed to the growing rations and the two, the caregiver and the bear staggered often around together on the fields outside the village.

The neighbors struck at last alarm. Although Misha weept and protested, Popatpytj was taken away.
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Message 1650643 - Posted: 8 Mar 2015, 14:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 1650622.  

I still state that haveing two big ass oceans on both sides was a deterant utill U-boats and ICBM,s.

Indeed. Sweden is protected from The Russian Bear thanks to the Baltic Sea.
No invasions or attacks so far:)

With all due respect, the Baltic sea protects Sweden from invasion about as much as the Rio Grande river protects the US from invasion.

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