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Message 1626659 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 3:27:22 UTC

So far I have seven of them on each of my 3 copmputers. Havent a clue as to how many more I will get.
I looked at the workunit and see Im just one of 5 or 7 crunchers who have had a go of it.
As I hate aborting any work I will continue crunching. But as Sherlock would say, Something is afoot.
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Message 1626661 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 3:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 1626654.  

2 issues, it needs to get fixed and we need to crunch thru this.

You might as well Abort them. They are going to be sent to the next person anyway. Either you Abort them and they are sent on, or you run them and they are labeled Invalid and sent on anyway. The only difference is you save time and energy if you Abort them.

I received one GPU task and let it run. It ran as a MBv6 task. It would have been labeled Invalid. I reran it as a CPU task and it finished Waayyy too fast. From my observations the CPU tasks are being labeled Invalid as well. So...I vaporized it and took the Error rather than the Invalid. Small victory I suppose...

It's No Win....Kobayashi Maru ;-)
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Message 1626663 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 3:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1626661.  

2 issues, it needs to get fixed and we need to crunch thru this.

You might as well Abort them. They are going to be sent to the next person anyway. Either you Abort them and they are sent on, or you run them and they are labeled Invalid and sent on anyway. The only difference is you save time and energy if you Abort them.

I received one GPU task and let it run. It ran as a MBv6 task. It would have been labeled Invalid. I reran it as a CPU task and it finished Waayyy too fast. From my observations the CPU tasks are being labeled Invalid as well. So...I vaporized it and took the Error rather than the Invalid. Small victory I suppose...

It's No Win....Kobayashi Maru ;-)

Yes its a no win. And Im no Captain Kirk:)
So I will run them anyway. It stinks but as I said I hate aborting work. Let the chips fall as they may.
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Message 1626673 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 4:23:34 UTC - in response to Message 1626663.  

Look at it this way. If you don't abort them, you'll spend the time crunching them but it will be non-productive time, since the validator will turn thumbs down on the results. If you do abort them, the scheduler will send you fresh tasks to replace them and your machine can then spend the same amount of time in actual productive work.

I hate to abort tasks, too. I think I've only done it a couple times before, and certainly not en masse like I have this weekend. But I figure if I'm going to burn electricity, I ought to be productive doing it.
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Message 1626685 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 5:07:05 UTC - in response to Message 1626673.  

True. but if you abort enough eventually the server decides it doesn't want to send you anymore because you have been aborting them. A few is ok, but I'm closing in on over 200 of these things so if I had aborted all of them i'd probably be cut off from new work. Instead I crunch them and get rewarded with new work.
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Message 1626762 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 11:47:32 UTC

I've been keeping an eye on the resend tasks going through my machines, and I still haven't seen anything except the seven channels which I posted at Beta and which Wedge009 confirmed here yesterday. So it looks as if the errant splitter was nipped in the bud when the tape was only half completed.

There may still be some individual tasks lurking in the 'ready to send' queue, but we should flush them out when the work runs dry - as it looks as if it will later today.
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Message 1626881 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 21:49:24 UTC - in response to Message 1626673.  

Look at it this way. If you don't abort them, you'll spend the time crunching them but it will be non-productive time, since the validator will turn thumbs down on the results. If you do abort them, the scheduler will send you fresh tasks to replace them and your machine can then spend the same amount of time in actual productive work.

I hate to abort tasks, too. I think I've only done it a couple times before, and certainly not en masse like I have this weekend. But I figure if I'm going to burn electricity, I ought to be productive doing it.

I had a few too. Just found a total of three more waiting to run and killed them. I will not sleep poorly tonight (at least not because of these).
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Message 1626892 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 22:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 1626881.  
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132 so far and another 133 in the inconclusive file waiting to be invalidated over 6 computers
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Message 1626921 - Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 23:13:55 UTC

In the great scheme of things, will this glitch waste any more than 1/1E6 of all computing power, spent on S@H per year?

I know, every bit counts, but if this amount of wasted CPU power is that important for the project, then I would assume getting rid of the weekly server outage every Tuesday should have a really high priority. It apparently doesn't, because the Tuesday outage is SOP and its impact on overall throughput seems well accepted.

Looks like I'm going to have 3 of those bogus WU on my invalid list so far. So what?
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Message 1626961 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 2:51:13 UTC

I'm gonna stop until this nonsense is sorted out .Do they not read the forums?
I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap
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Message 1626964 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 3:02:09 UTC

Stop what?
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Message 1626968 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 3:40:51 UTC

crunching

i will finish the wu's i got and wait till the invalids are removed from being distributed
I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap
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Message 1626980 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 4:30:31 UTC - in response to Message 1626968.  

to do that we may have to crunch thru them.
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Message 1626985 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 4:39:59 UTC - in response to Message 1626980.  

I look at it this way. I need to crunch about 12-14 MB in order to get the server to send me 1 AP.

Now, I'm more than happy to crunch a 3 minute MB that gets invalidated if it gets me that AP.

As opposed to Aborting the MBs which then gets counted against me.

Abort 200 MBs, server stops sending you work.

Get 200 invalids because of some auto correct error (as opposed to driver or equipment problem), the server will still send you work.

So I'll burn through them just to get rid of them and get me those APs.

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Message 1626990 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 4:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 1626985.  

So I'll burn through them just to get rid of them and get me those APs.

Do you think there's any special value to crunching APs vs. crunching MBs.....other than their excessively inflated credits? ;^)
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Message 1626996 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 5:16:37 UTC - in response to Message 1626990.  

You said it, Credits. ;)
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Message 1627026 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 8:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 1626762.  

I keep looking at my two machines about every 4 hours and have been aborting between half a dozen and a dozen every time. This has been going on for about 3 days so far. They are still coming out of the server download queue. So I would say there is still quite a bit of them floating around. The ones that get sent and crunched while I sleep keep adding to the invalids. This is getting old. Wish there was a way to filter them out automatically if they are detected in the downloads. Does any one know how to accomplish such?

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Message 1627035 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 8:41:40 UTC - in response to Message 1627026.  

Well, I now know how it all ends up.

19ap11ad.19368.13946.140733193388035.12.133

errors Too many total results

Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, marked as invalid
Completed, can't validate
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Message 1627045 - Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 9:15:19 UTC - in response to Message 1626961.  

I'm gonna stop until this nonsense is sorted out .Do they not read the forums?

As far as I am aware no "they" do not.

However there are some of the "senior" members of these forums who do have contact and will alert the lab if the problem is considered serious enough. Whether the lab will react will depend on how serious they see the problem and how well staffed they are at the time.
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Message 1627265 - Posted: 14 Jan 2015, 2:27:08 UTC

I didn't get any today, maybe the ptoblem has been sorted out.
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