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Message 1622204 - Posted: 2 Jan 2015, 8:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 1621943.  

Quantum Fyzix is getting more complicated as we speak...
http://phys.org/news/2014-12-unveils-half-light-half-matter-quantum-particles.html

Quantum Fyzix is not getting more complicated but it's still very difficult to understand.
Einstein didn't understand it.
Richard Feynman was questioned by Nils Bohr when Feynman showed diagrams how it works. Bohr said it was impossible.


The more you know about quantum fyzix, the more you go into it, the more complicated it gets.
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Message 1621943 - Posted: 1 Jan 2015, 23:15:06 UTC - in response to Message 1620696.  

Quantum Fyzix is getting more complicated as we speak...
http://phys.org/news/2014-12-unveils-half-light-half-matter-quantum-particles.html

Quantum Fyzix is not getting more complicated but it's still very difficult to understand.
Einstein didn't understand it.
Richard Feynman was questioned by Nils Bohr when Feynman showed diagrams how it works. Bohr said it was impossible.
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Message 1620833 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 22:21:38 UTC

I recall my first quantum mechanics lecture.
The lecturer walk in, looked round the lecture theater, then the blank board and got his marker pen out and starting in the top left corner started to write, and without a word or a pause, filled the board with loads of equations. He then looked round at us, most of whom were frantically trying to get everything down on paper, and spoke "Ladies and Gentlemen, that is all you have to learn this term, learn it and you will be back next term for the really interesting material..." I was back for the really interesting stuff, and the simplicity of that results from choosing the correct set of transformations.

(Most of it is forgotten now due to lack of use, but I did teach some of the maths - to maths lecturers! and some of the applications to A-level students, all of whom got far better grades than their schools expected - because they knew what was behind the rote-learning the curriculum forced them into and so could produce their answers much faster.
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Message 1620720 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 13:44:28 UTC

If you want the whole thing, it's library time or buy the article:

http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n1/full/nphoton.2014.304.html

But all the references are there.

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Message 1620717 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 13:28:20 UTC

Ha! You just beat me to it!

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Message 1620585 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 8:42:11 UTC

I was unaware that it was surrounded by the Adriatic and Slovenia. (Is this correct?)

Yes.

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Message 1620562 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 8:06:56 UTC - in response to Message 1620556.  
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I was not a young scientist but a retired theoretical physicist. I still conserve the letter by Roger Penrose.
Trieste is a beautiful town, very close to Slovenia, and the Carso (Karst) highland and its caves and rocks for climbing schools.I worked there fron 1991 to 1994 in the Area Science Park near the Elettra synchrotron light source built by Carlo Rubbia. Then I had to come back to my home near Milano. Trieste is also the site of the International Center for Theoretical Physics, founded by Abdus Salam. It stands very close to the Miramare Castle and Grignano bay, from where Maxilmilian of Absburg sailed to Mexico and his death. A very romantic place.
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Message 1620556 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 7:55:03 UTC
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Tullio,

How wonderful that he responded to a young scientist so quickly. You are fortunate. I hope you still have that correspondence!

Trieste is quite beautiful, and in an interesting location. I was unaware that it was surrounded by the Adriatic and Slovenia. (Is this correct?)

Anyway, back to physics ...

The De Broglie-Bohm theory is very cool:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohmian_mechanics

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Message 1619453 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 19:44:16 UTC - in response to Message 1619335.  

Penrose is a very kind man. He was quick to answer a letter I had sent him with a text written by me in 1980, before reading his books, and said it was "very interesting".
The seashore of Tel Aviv is clean and beautiful even on a Saturday morning. I enjoyed the walk along the sea shore. You know, I was born in Trieste, where it s sufficient to take a tram and have a bath in the Adriatic.
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Message 1619374 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 12:50:42 UTC - in response to Message 1618272.  

That's Fyzix for you! ...

BTW - thought for the day. If I waggle both my hands at you is that a wave duality?

Groan... That is worse than the worst of my multiple puns! ;-)

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Message 1619335 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 8:59:29 UTC - in response to Message 1617873.  

Tullio, Roger Penrose is one excellent writer. He never fails to ask interesting questions and explain
his thoughts.

That's a trek for a cup of java. You must be addicted ;-)

Shalom, shalom.

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Message 1618277 - Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 12:54:33 UTC - in response to Message 1618272.  

Take an hour off and go watch The Secrets of Quantum Physics, you've missed the first program in series but this one might increase your knowledge a little bit.
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Message 1618272 - Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 12:34:29 UTC

That's Fyzix for you!

It's also like a U tube Manometer, an effect on one side has a proportionate effect on the other side.



BTW - thought for the day. If I waggle both my hands at you is that a wave duality?
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Message 1617985 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 23:52:39 UTC

Ah ah ah, Chris! You took the Cliff's notes page! :-)

Article one would disagree with you (possibly). It's uncertain!

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Message 1617974 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 23:40:05 UTC

In short, the Copenhagen Interpretation doesn't predict a cat simultaneously alive and dead, but rather a cat that is fully alive until it is fully dead. To put it another way, even famous and intelligent physicists like Schrödinger can be completely wrong.

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Naa naa, told ya....
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Message 1617960 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 23:26:50 UTC

But very interesting! Physicists have disagreements about this, too, as one might expect:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation#Wave.E2.80.93particle_dilemma

For fun:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/SchrodingersCat?from=Main.SchrodingersCat

Love the poster!

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Message 1617907 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 17:05:32 UTC - in response to Message 1617879.  

It doesn't seem any less complicated to me but maybe a tad more confusing.


Same here LOL
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Message 1617898 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 16:41:55 UTC
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If the fire is lighted that is not by a human action, but by the laws of probability.And if it is not lighted? Then you repeat the experiment.

That is the same as playing cards and losing. Then playing double or quits until you win. The probability is that at some point if you play long enough you will break even and wipe out your debt. But that depends upon how long your opponent will let you play berfore paying up.

The fire which is lit or not lit by probability, depends upon enough power to run it and enough time to get a cup of hot coffee within the timescales that the two men are prepared to wait for it.

All this is just waffling around my basic premise that Schroedinger's cat is a bad example and a load of old nonsense.

The uncertainty principle says that in trying to measure both position and momentum the act of measuring will will alter one or the other of these quantities.

Ok I can go along with that. It is like a seesaw. Both ends can't be up or down at the same time, if one goes up the other goes down. Which end does which depends upon the instant that you observe the seesaw. If you concentrate on the position and take your eye off the momentum, it may well change, and vice versa because they are linked. The actual act of observing or measuring won't change anything. All you will see is where the two linked quantities are in relation to each other at any one instant in time.
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Message 1617890 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 16:17:24 UTC
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The best introduction to quantum mechanics that I know is a book by Albert Messiah, La mecanique quantique. I think it has been translated in English. I studied on it and then I passed it to my daughter for her thesis. The book by Paul Dirac, Quantum mechanics, is rather more difficult since you have to know the Hilbert spaces in order to understand it.
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