witch came first the chicken or the egg ?

Maybe if there was gun control the cops would not expect every call to end up with a shooting .

So maybe you lot need to understand that to many guns is a major part of the problem

So witch came first the guns or the shootings ?

After all people where there around before the guns , oh right people kill not guns so around around you go .

witch came first the chicken or the egg ? BLah BLah BLah

and you lot put a man on the moon .

The egg, by several million years! Where does that fit into your analogy?

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Well let's not mention Social Security that you don't have

We have Social Security. Oh wait, you don't mean Social Security, you mean Welfare State. When you say Social Security to an American it means Old Age Pension to you. I suspect the rest of your post has much the same issue of sharing a common language but not being able to communicate.

Glenn ment Social Security not Welfare State.
Thats two very different concepts.
Old Age Pension is neither Social Security or something you get for free in a Welfare State.
Old Age Pension are delayed wages, nothing else.

No hits on google for "food stamps USA"?
I get 996 hits.
https://www.google.se/#q=%22food+stamps+USA%22

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP),[1] formerly known as the Food Stamp program, provides food-purchasing assistance for low- and no-income people living in the U.S. It is a federal aid program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, under the Food and Nutrition Service (FNS), though benefits are distributed by each U.S. state's Division of Social Services or Children and Family Services.

A record 20% of American households, one in five, were on food stamps in 2013, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).
The numbers also show there was a record number of individuals on food stamps in 2013 and that the cost of the program, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), was at an all-time high.

Poverty often leads to crimes....

Good Gary maybe there is hope yet . No body like's social security but in a modern world it is a necessity for a safe community .

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It wasn't just that they freed them, but they also gave them the right to refuse treatment. You can't treat someone who refuses, money or not.

In most places you can if they are a danger to themselves or to others.

Yes, but until they actually commit an overt act, it is all talk and hot air. Unfortunately, talk and hot air is not a danger.

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food stamps

Funny, when I google that term I don't get any hits for a "food stamps" program. You do need to keep up with the times. There hasn't been a "food stamps" program here in over a decade.

If you aren't up on current events, you can't intelligently discuss them.

Getting a bit dated, but a good starting point http://www.budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=34919307-6286-47ab-b114-2fd5bcedfeb5 for a discussion in another thread.

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Welfare state another lie from the right wing .

Let's see you have a limit on unemployment 18 months i believe .

No limit here but there is what is called mutual obligation witch does mean you have to prove your looking and can't say no to any job if you wish to recieve the dole . In your country after 18 months you only have crime .
The GFC proved that people don't have control over weather they have a job or can even find one .

Oh right you can always work it just means you work for nothing .

Single mothers with children not going to school get a different payment but once the kids are going to high school they have to find a job .

Disability well yes you do have that just not the other things like public housing free medical except the charity's which means people have to beg . Other wise if you did there would not be so many people on the streets .

As for pensions well they won't be around for much longer as we fix'd that problem 30 years ago .

so no welfare state mate no such thing

And social security is more than just a payment .

But yes i stand corrected you do have social security things like food stamps witch is very degrading for those that need it realy good for someones self esteem and getting them of there butt as it's so easy to do stuff like that when you are depressed and suicidal , and it does not cost money to find a job does it .

And it still cost only 1/4 of what it costs your country to lock everyone up in jail witch to me is DUMB & DUMBER

So you keep pushing the right wing fascist ideology as it has helped you stay so strong right . 16 trillion in dept and counting . When your on a winner stick to it right .......not

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It wasn't just that they freed them, but they also gave them the right to refuse treatment. You can't treat someone who refuses, money or not.

In most places you can if they are a danger to themselves or to others.

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Reality Internet Personality

Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Major the problem is not so much the liberals as it is the lack of will to fund what needs to be done. The no new tax people have spoken.

No, it was the courts. Some BHL got a shyster to scream that the mentally ill had more rights than society did. A bunch of old men fell for the claptrap, and the result is what we have to live. Only time will tell it that is a better result than the political Gulags of other places.

Yes the courts did free many of the mentally ill from incarceration but there are other ways to treat them and they are not being funded.

It wasn't just that they freed them, but they also gave them the right to refuse treatment. You can't treat someone who refuses, money or not.

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Well let's not mention Social Security that you don't have

We have Social Security. Oh wait, you don't mean Social Security, you mean Welfare State. When you say Social Security to an American it means Old Age Pension to you. I suspect the rest of your post has much the same issue of sharing a common language but not being able to communicate.

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Ess i know there tooo dumb to get it , but i do think that a lot of the problem with the attitude of the police is because of the guns .

It leads into racism as African Americans are poorer and more likely to turn to crime and there fore there is a disproportionate amount of them pulling out a
gun and someone being killed.

Hence the racism towards them as well as other things .

The 2 issues feed each other . You wont fix one without fixing the other .

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Glen, you are never going to be able to reason with an American about guns. They just don't want to get it. I wouldn't waste your breath if I were you.

Edit: If you really want to try, then please take it over to the gun control thread. There is one here somewhere.

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Well let's not mention Social Security that you don't have

Yes Kong a car is a weapon , however it's the guns that are the problem most will just put there foot down on the gas and take off .

And then when the cops do corner them that's possibly when the guns come out .

Seeing as a lot of the guns are made in your country then why do so many of them end up in the hands of nutcases .

The terrorist that held up the LYNT cafe here used a very old shoot gun .And now days it's old guns that where not handed in that are ending up in the hands of crim's not new guns .Which will stop once they have all been removed off the streets .

If you have gun laws then why is it still ok to buy a assult rifle and why do normal people need that type of gun in the first place , your gun laws are a joke and not all the states have any form of gun control.

Yes you do have borders and i can understand it does make things a bit different to here as it's not easy to smuggle stuff into the country as everything must come buy ship or plane but that doesn't mean people haven't try'd

You need to fix more than guns but you do need to start somewhere .

How is it that a bunch of teenagers can just shoot a guy jogging . How did they get there hands on a gun in the first place if you have real gun laws ?????

How did the 1 sniper in your country get shoot again and that young girl whom killed the instructor mmmmmmm No worry's you always have some excuse for this stuff pitty it's all B/S

And if it's not the guns then can you explain to me how over 15,000 kids die because of guns if you have gun laws .

The arguments from the NSA are crap . If your nabour builds a bomb does that mean you build a bigger one to protect yourself which is the whole crux of there argument .

Your cops are more scared in your country than over here why it's because it doesn't matter what the call out was there will probably guns used
this does not happen here yes knifes cricket bat however it's much easyer to protect yourself from a knife and if your stabbed most time you will live can you say that about a gun shot wound . NO . Cops only need to use there TAZERS.

You don't get it do you . It's about attitude if people have guns they think they can get away or protect them self's . People just don't think of pulling guns or knifes over here . WHY the only ones with the guns are cops . So only true nutcases might try everyone else doesn't .

It's the attitude of the people that will change if you have real gun control and not B/S laws that everyone knows do nothing because they don't go far enough .

Guns make it to easy to kill and this leads into the cops being way more aggressive than in other country's

So instead of putting a hugh percent of the population in jail how about to actually fix some things . Like social security so people are not desperate and feel they need to go into crime .
Outlaw all automatic's they are not needed
Have better PUBLIC education

Do these things and not so many people will be killed as the numbers are so high in your country , THAT NO OTHER MODERN COUNTRY has your death rate. Unless they are not a first world country

NOT IN

ENGLAND , AUSTRALIA , NEW ZEALAND , the country's that have better gun control than you do or other country's that have lax gun laws .

When it's not safe to even go for a jog you have a very big problem.

Oh whats the excuse for not giving IRAQ's weapons to defend them self's that your country used .

Wouldn't be because to many weapon in the hands of civilians causes caos and lawlessness .

And yet you have different views for your own people HIPPOCRITES

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Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Major the problem is not so much the liberals as it is the lack of will to fund what needs to be done. The no new tax people have spoken.

No, it was the courts. Some BHL got a shyster to scream that the mentally ill had more rights than society did. A bunch of old men fell for the claptrap, and the result is what we have to live. Only time will tell it that is a better result than the political Gulags of other places.

Yes the courts did free many of the mentally ill from incarceration but there are other ways to treat them and they are not being funded.

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Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Major the problem is not so much the liberals as it is the lack of will to fund what needs to be done. The no new tax people have spoken.

No, it was the courts. Some BHL got a shyster to scream that the mentally ill had more rights than society did. A bunch of old men fell for the claptrap, and the result is what we have to live. Only time will tell it that is a better result than the political Gulags of other places.

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Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Yep, over here though, it's called "Care in the community".

Here it's called "So what. What do you want us to do?"

Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Yep, over here though, it's called "Care in the community".

Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

Major the problem is not so much the liberals as it is the lack of will to fund what needs to be done. The no new tax people have spoken.

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The dude thought he was cool.
Because he had a pistool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNtRTnRUHM
My country today...

"US borders are WAY too porous".
Are they?
Please explain further.

Hi Glenn,

James when a cop pulls someone over here in ozz there is 1 in 2000 chances the person is going to have a gun .
In your country it's more like 1 in 10 so the cops already worried before they get out of there car .
Same would go for when it's a domestic call out . The risk of other weapons like knifes is probably the same when it's a domestic but not a road side stop

This i believe is 50 % of the problem .

Well... When a police officer stops someone driving a car it is a 100% Certainty that the driver has a Deadly Weapon at their disposal. The Automobile itself. While it is not, thankfully, an everyday occurrence, there are quite a number of cases where a police officer is run over by the driver of the 'stopped' vehicle as the police officer approaches the vehicle on foot.

When a police officer answers a call at someone's home it is almost a certainty that a deadly weapon will be available. They are called kitchen knives.

A firearm does not have to be involved in any way. A police officer has to approach each and every stop / call as if they are going to be attacked. They have to be ready to defend themselves and be on a hair trigger.

Now then, there certainly are times when the police officer goes apesh*t and WAY TOO FAR. But the reason is quite understandable.

Having gun laws would not stop law abiding people from owning a gun but would stop many others from having them .

We HAVE gun control laws. It already IS ILLEGAL for convicted felons and the mentally ill, among others, to own/possess/use firearms. We don't need MORE laws, we just need those already on the books to be enforced.

Criminals don't need to resort to trickery of some sort and buy guns 'legally'. Our borders are WAY too porous. Just like with things like hard drugs, when there it enough of a demand, people will figure out ways to smuggle the item into the country.

Gun control laws will NOT stop 'career criminals' from having firearms. What they WILL do is enable the authorities to put the 'career criminals' in jail for a LONG time... *IF* the 'criminal justice system' functioned properly, that is (and it doesn't -- how it doesn't is the proper subject for some other thread). Fix the criminal justice system by removing the bleeding heart liberal influences, and you will fix the rest of the problem.

The person you use in your post is not a good example as it is well known that a person like whom you have used has a mental problem and is not using a gun yo commit his crimes .

Now why he and so many others end up with mental health problems points to even bigger problems within your country .

Mental health problems in the USA are a national disgrace that sadly does not have an easy solution. Again, too many bleeding heart liberal influences make effective treatment nigh unto impossible in a great many cases.

James when a cop pulls someone over here in ozz there is 1 in 2000 chances the person is going to have a gun .
In your country it's more like 1 in 10 so the cops already worried before they get out of there car .
Same would go for when it's a domestic call out . The risk of other weapons like knifes is probably the same when it's a domestic but not a road side stop

This i believe is 50 % of the problem .

Having gun laws would not stop law abiding people from owning a gun but would stop many others from having them .

The person you use in your post is not a good example as it is well known that a person like whom you have used has a mental problem and is not using a gun yo commit his crimes .

Now why he and so many others end up with mental health problems points to even bigger problems within your country .

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