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Message 1611481 - Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 1:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 1611398.  

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Worse yet and more dangerous, a radical black activist, who calls herself, Mary Omni of the House of King David, produced a YouTube video spouting hate and promoting attacks against the Bosnians calling them “invaders” of land properly belonging to blacks. The 11-minute video titled, “Ferguson Bosnian Death Immigrant Warning" warns the Bosnians that more violence is coming and she states, “If an invader is killed, this is acceptable collateral damage. If I had a hammer, I would hammer in the morning and hammer in the night.”

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oh good grief. If you read that bile and believe it, no wonder you come out with such nonsense.
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Message 1611548 - Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 4:25:37 UTC

oh good grief. If you read that bile and believe it, no wonder you come out with such nonsense.


So, You Listened To The Video(Actually Audio) and Do Not Believe 'it' 'is' A Real Black Woman, Spouting Her Views?

I've Heard This Same Vile from Other Blacks, many many many times Before.

Oh, and You Don't Believe Young Blacks are Terrorizing Bosnians in This Neighborhood?

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Message 1611798 - Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 17:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 1611585.  

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Worse yet and more dangerous, a radical black activist, who calls herself, Mary Omni of the House of King David, produced a YouTube video spouting hate and promoting attacks against the Bosnians calling them “invaders” of land properly belonging to blacks. The 11-minute video titled, “Ferguson Bosnian Death Immigrant Warning" warns the Bosnians that more violence is coming and she states, “If an invader is killed, this is acceptable collateral damage. If I had a hammer, I would hammer in the morning and hammer in the night.”

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oh good grief. If you read that bile and believe it, no wonder you come out with such nonsense.

'Mary Omni' believes it, and may act upon her beliefs.

Correct?

She may..and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people. However, the reality is that black people are more at risk from white people and have actual reason to be afraid of white people.

So shall will stick to what actually is rather than perceptions? There are people who are terrified of getting Ebola in America even though they are more at risk from their Christmas tree.

If Mary had any position of power then you might be concerned. For example if she held those views, was armed and sent to police a white area with the full backing of the government and the judicial system, you might have some sort of point. However, the reality is the opposite. She is a nut case who got a You Tube channel which a racist group then jumped on to use as "proof" that black people are coming to get them.

As to the comments about black youths murdering immigrants...well hatred of immigrants is the new norm in America right now, so its not exactly surprising is it?
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Message 1611945 - Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 22:51:06 UTC

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As to the comments about black youths murdering immigrants...well hatred of immigrants is the new norm in America right now, so its not exactly surprising is it?



If I Said The Above 'it' Would Be Deleted.

99One, You Are A Race Baiter.

However, Bait On. You Do 'it' Better Than A Racist, Psychopath or Monster.

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Message 1611992 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 0:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 1611798.  

As to the comments about black youths murdering immigrants...well hatred of immigrants is the new norm in America right now, so its not exactly surprising is it?

America? Is it Canada or USA you are refering to?
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Message 1612013 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 1:45:25 UTC

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Es99...

Your allegations, stating I am afraid of my Black Grandchildren, Black Son-In-Law, and Black People, is personal, hate-related, against The Rules, and most importantly - DISGUSTING.

However, unlike other's: I will never ever attempt to censor your Personal, Hate-Filled, Vile, and Evil attacks against me and others.

Your true nature is being exposed.


GOD, Dat 'is' Beautiful.

If I Said 'it', 'it' would be Deleted.

Of Course, I'm A Special Case. heeeheeeheee

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p.s. On Topic: Yep, I'm Still Racist and All The Rest of The Bad Stuff.

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Message 1612024 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 2:16:06 UTC - in response to Message 1611988.  

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Worse yet and more dangerous, a radical black activist, who calls herself, Mary Omni of the House of King David, produced a YouTube video spouting hate and promoting attacks against the Bosnians calling them “invaders” of land properly belonging to blacks. The 11-minute video titled, “Ferguson Bosnian Death Immigrant Warning" warns the Bosnians that more violence is coming and she states, “If an invader is killed, this is acceptable collateral damage. If I had a hammer, I would hammer in the morning and hammer in the night.”

Yep.

oh good grief. If you read that bile and believe it, no wonder you come out with such nonsense.

'Mary Omni' believes it, and may act upon her beliefs.

Correct?

She may..and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people...

If Mary had any position of power then you might be concerned...

Es99...

Your allegations, stating I am afraid of my Black Grandchildren, Black Son-In-Law, and Black People, is personal, hate-related, against The Rules, and most importantly - DISGUSTING.

However, unlike other's: I will never ever attempt to censor your Personal, Hate-Filled, Vile, and Evil attacks against me and others.

Your true nature is being exposed.

Sorry Clyde. I have no idea what you are talking about. Is that really what you think I was saying?

*sigh* I am not sure if you deliberately missed the point or if I was not being clear enough.

I have not attacked anyone here. I have pointed out certain trends and a fundamental lack of awareness about ones own subconscious behaviours and privilege. I was always aware that when I attempted to de-construct certain assumptions that it would upset people. That however is what happens when you try to push people from comfortable positions that support their world views, especially if those world views come at a cost to others.

What I am surprised at Clyde, is that you really have not had these conversations with your family and that you are so unaware that they will have totally different experiences and perceptions from you.

My pointing out that Mary's speech was being used to stir up fear that black people are going to start murdering white people in the streets is not by any stretch of the imagination an attack on you. However, you decided to make it all about you, and then drag your grandchildren out to hide behind. Having black grandchildren does not miraculously endow you with anti-racist powers. Having black grandchildren when you are white should mean that you do everything you can to find out about the issues that are going to effect those children, and do what you can to protect them. Denying these problems exist is about the worst thing you can do. I don't care if you listen to me, but I really think you should talk to your black relatives about these issues with an open mind.
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Message 1612089 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 5:59:10 UTC - in response to Message 1610486.  

sorry for the delay, have been out of sorts, I'll get to the rest of the thread after this is composed.
How can you compensate for it if the time period to act is so short the thought never enter the conscious mind, as happens in policing?

Training. It has been shown to work.

They do. Apparently it doesn't work or not well enough for your sensibilities. Or maybe the field experiences teach something different after the classroom.

...you have not once decried monomogomy or suggested that this be taken into account during divorce or paternity proceedings. No court would take that as an excuse as to why a man must pay support to a child that isn't his and that he has nothing to do with.

Perhaps in your country, however that is not the case in the USA, here (some states) the husband pays no matter who the biologic father is. You have forgotten how backward some red states are in their laws.

"White is innocent, black is bad.". American Black women spend a fortune trying to straighten their hair to look more like white people and therefore less threatening.

Same as Latina women who spend money on hair dyes and bleach to look more Nordic and less like their Spanish or Portuguese mixed with Native American heritage. Others choose to play up their Native American side and spend money to look more Oriental.

You are talking again about women, and the intersection of race and gender oppression. This is a more complicated topic, but you are correct that it is an important one.

Your example was black women, I follow with women and now I'm the bad guy.

I would not be so sure there is not some biologic basis, but only a partial one. On this planet, most species heard. Birds do. Fish do. Ruminants do. Elephants do. Chimps do. Wolves do. Why not humans? So looking like you aren't different may matter to becoming some predators meal. We may have some small dark corner of DNA making us want to look alike and the media supplies us with the image to emulate.

If you go to countries where there is no dominant white culture the people there are not trying to look like white people. The media does indeed play a huge role in perpetuating these attitudes, and it is controlled by white people, mainly male white people so it projects their idea of normal and beautiful. Which is why it is so vital to have people of different races and genders portrayed positively in our media so that we can accept that there are different versions of normal and beautiful. This is why feminists and anti-racists make such a fuss about it. It is important.

In essence you are saying that whites must cease being white, but all other dominate cultures in other areas may continue to be exclusive. Interesting.

So because of past history, in your eyes racism can never end until blacks enslave whites for 100s of years to make it all even. Anyway that is what it sounds like.

No, it sounds like white people need to recognise that this oppression has left a lasting effect and that they need to give a hand up rather than keeping them down. Such things like affirmative action were supposed to help this by giving other races and genders a chance to get up to the level that white males had achieved. However, many complained that this was unfair to white people even though all it was doing was making up for the generations of mistreatment by white people that had taken their history, languages, religions, education from them. You cannot simply "pull your socks up and get over" something like that.

No you can't. You also can't get over it if you believe that the white man will forever push you down and you don't even attempt to grasp for the helping hand or try the door to see that it is now unlocked. Nor can you when your neighbors children disrupt the classroom so that you can't learn. Nor can you when your neighbors require you to belong to their gang or pay protection money.

So if you have two job applicants, one a black youth and the other a white youth, with identical records on paper, what decides it? It is because one shows up with pants around their hips and their underwear showing and the other is in a suit and tie?

Why would you assume a black person would turn up with pants around their hips and their underwear showing (of course your contempt for a fashion choice however poor shows a bias that needs to examined too)? Of course my knowledge of poverty tells me that not everyone can easily access a suit, so it would really depend on the position that they are going for.

Why have you assigned skin colors to the fashion choices? I've seen it both ways. As to suits, there are charities that offer suits specifically so for the purpose of going on job interviews.

Now as to fashion, again you say that whites must cease being white however all other cultures may continue to do as they please. (It has been a fad to wear you pants so that your underwear shows. I've been told it is to emulate criminal street gang attire and manners. An excellent reason I' sure.) There are communities that have made the practice illegal.

Is it because you think your customers expect your employees to hold to a certain standard of dress? Is it Racism or Culturalism? Are we using the wrong word for this very real unconscious bias, because one carries a lot of baggage and thus plays better sensationalism?

I am suspecting this is a straw man argument based on negative assumptions about black people. I am pretty sure that black people are quite capable of turning up to job interviews dressed appropriately and I suspect most of them do.

There you go, assuming everything has to be 100%. Given your education you should know better than to make such assumptions, but it appears in some of your responses you are operating on emotion.

From what I've seen and heard, a lot of it depends on the position. For non-entry level positions essentially everyone turns up in appropriate dress because they have held a job. Not so for entry level positions. For some obviously this is their first attempt and they are clueless because dressing for business is not art of their culture. Others I'm sure believe that their culture is how the world operates and everyone else must comport themselves to it.

It doesn't matter, because you have allowed that there is an appropriate attire for work and obviously there is a culture that sets that attire. I'm reminded of a phrase; When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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Message 1612094 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 6:18:53 UTC

push people from comfortable positions that support their world views,
especially if those world views come at a cost to others.



I Know My Position[s], and They Are Very Comfy. Snuggly. No One is paying a Cent for them.


We Live In A World where 'They' can speak Their Minds Ad Nauseam, in What 'is' Being Called 'Conversation' about-Name The Grievence.


'Mary O' and Millions of Others, Can Blast Away with Their 'Views' with NO Consequence.


Take for Example in Missouri recently when The Step-Dad Screamed Over and Over and Over-'Burn this Motha F'in B' Down!'-meaning The Town. And 'They' Almost Did.


Our Prez and AG won't Touch 'it'. If I Had Said 'it', well, We Know What Would Happen to Me.


The Feelings and Reasons behind those Hate Filled Anthems Screamed Loudly by All Protestors are Always Given An Ear, again with No Consequence.


The Bosnians Are Arming Themselves. Maybe this will be The Pivot Point when The Truth About Blacks Comes Out. 'It' ain't Pretty and 'They' Don't want 'it' Talked About.

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Message 1612096 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 6:32:31 UTC - in response to Message 1611798.  
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'Mary Omni' believes it, and may act upon her beliefs.

Correct?

She may..and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people.

How is her hate filled bile and call to action different than the hate filled bile and call to action of ISIL or KKK?
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Message 1612099 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 6:37:33 UTC - in response to Message 1612089.  

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It doesn't matter, because you have allowed that there is an appropriate attire for work and obviously there is a culture that sets that attire. I'm reminded of a phrase; When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I'll just answer this but quickly because it stood out as important and I am rather busy right now.

When in America, do as Americans do. Correct?

So who is American? The Native Americans? Because this concept of dressing in suits is not theirs. The African Americans? They've been in America as long as the Europeans. Yet for some reason you have decided that the suit is the correct and normal attire.

A White European suit.

This assumption of yours that White European culture is the "correct" and "normal" and by implication "superior" way of being is at the very heart of racism. You hinted at it when you pointed out the racist policeman claiming that black people reacted differently to choking than normal people.

So at least you understand that America considers White European culture as "normal"

What is it to be a Black American? Their normal was taken from them. You have no concept of how important things such as language, history, music etc are until they are gone. So now black americans must be "normal" to succeed. If they behave, and talk and act like white people they will be allowed into the "club". Of course they can never look like white people so they will never really quite be "normal".

So yes there is a dominant culture. You are absolutely correct. It is the white European culture...and you don't see anything wrong with demanding that everyone else bends to it because you think it is "normal"
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Message 1612101 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 6:43:11 UTC - in response to Message 1612096.  

'Mary Omni' believes it, and may act upon her beliefs.

Correct?

She may..and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people.

How is her hate filled bile and call to action different than the hate filled bile and call to action of ISIL or KKK?

Out of ISIL and KKK which group do you think has members or sympathisers in the police force? Or in American government? Or in business? or anywhere else where they might have influence in American society.

We aren't talking about extremist groups anyway. We were talking about the everyday racism that kills black people in America.
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Message 1612116 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 7:09:27 UTC
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So yes there is a dominant culture. You are absolutely correct. It is the white European culture...and you don't see anything wrong with demanding that everyone else bends to it because you think it is "normal"


Well, I Can Say, EVERY White Person Under 30 and Many Over, Have COMPLETELY Gone 'Black', and 'it' Extends WORLDWIDE. Heck, I Flip to Cable Channel ___ and The Asians are 'All Black' in Their 'Mannerisms' and 'Style' and I Can Go to Any Worldwide Channel and See The Same.

The Culture 'Change' Surely Extends to Mind Sets and These Will NOT Be 'White American - European'.

My Ears and Eyes Grimace Constantly at The Culture Morphing.

Heck, K K K and I S I L Young Ones Are Doin' The 'Black'.

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Message 1612303 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 17:39:48 UTC - in response to Message 1612218.  
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Es99 YOU Posted:

and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people.

EVERY one of Your Posts after this attack, excusing YOUR Personal Attacks, Hate-Filled Attacks, Racial Attacks, Racial Profiling, and Violation of The Rules of theses Threads, I Repeat: IS DISGUSTING.

Have you no shame? Or will you continue?

...and then I clarified what I was saying.

If you are having trouble understanding what I am writing feel free to ask for clarification before you start with your ranting insults. I am getting tired of it Clyde.

On the plus side I am getting a powerful insight into the mind of a policeman and your ability to assess information and draw reasonable conclusions based on it.

I think my mistake was assuming a certain level of understanding of these issues based on your claim to have black family members. I seem to have pitched my posts in such a way that they have sailed clear over your head. I will do my best in future to break things down even further.

So I will try again.

1) Gubba linked to race hate website that is trying to incite hatred against black people. (I assumed this was obvious, but perhaps it was not)

2) The website backed up its nebulous claims with a video very similar in nature to sort of thing my husbands schizophrenic niece posts when she is off her meds (I clarify here before you start shouting again, in NATURE, not in CONTENT. Hers are incoherent speeches on starving children in Africa).

3) I tried to point out that this video was obviously of that nature and not the start of some uprising against white people by black people as claimed by the article.

4) I assumed a basic level of understanding on your part and drew the obvious (to me) conclusion that the websites intent was to make white people afraid of black people. I summed this up in a concise sentence "and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people." implying that if you gave this website any credence then you were an idiot. Again, I made the mistake of thinking I was talking to someone who could understand this obvious conclusion.

5) What then happened is that you read that one sentence and as you obviously misunderstood the nature of the webiste, the video and my comments on it you started spewing a load of vitriol that had absolutely nothing to do with the point and starting ranting about your grandchildren. You are still doing this.

This makes me sad.

It also pretty much proves my point. The only possible reason that you would interpret the meaning of my sentence the way you did is if you did not see through the racist nature of the website.

You actually though they made a good point.

So here are your options Clyde.

1) A part of you thinks that the racist website has a point and that black people are about to rise up and kill white people.

That means that you took my sentence to mean that you are actually afraid of black people.


2) You are aware the website is racist and you realise that when I said "and perhaps it is enough to make you and Gubba afraid of black people." I was implying that "a rational non-racist person would not become afraid of black people because of a racist website" I assumed that you saw yourself as a non-racist person who would not start being afraid of black people because of a racist website.

So as you can see, the only way you could find insult in what I said was if you went for option number 1.
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Message 1612381 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 20:46:54 UTC - in response to Message 1612099.  

This assumption of yours that White European culture is the "correct" and "normal" and by implication "superior" way of being is at the very heart of racism.

"Superior" and "Correct" are your words. "Ordinary" and "Customary" for the US would be better choices. However I'm sure you have mind melded and know everyone's actual thoughts so you don't put words in their mouths.

So who is American? The Native Americans? Because this concept of dressing in suits is not theirs. The African Americans? They've been in America as long as the Europeans.

Oh, so now we have to go back to being tribes who can never venture outside their borders. We already established that tribal thinking was the root cause of racism, or have you forgotten the opening post? Maybe the Arabs are right, after all the Jews left Egypt.

What is it to be a Black American? Their normal was taken from them. You have no concept of how important things such as language, history, music etc are until they are gone.

So it appears as if you are advocating that they be returned to Africa so that all those things that were taken from their ancestors can be given back to the current generation. BTW the KKK has advocated this. As I don't know where these ideas that were poured into you originated, all I'll say is they sound a lot like a rehash of "white man's burden" and/or a guilt trip based on it.

By the way I do know how important language, history, music and all the rest of a culture are. I find it a disgrace what was done to the First Peoples, when that culture was destroyed. Destroyed so that it could not be recovered. A shame as much of that culture is superior to European. AFIK Africa still has in practice all the language, history, music etc. so it is still available and has not been destroyed.

Frankly I wish you would stop with the troll bait.
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Message 1612406 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 21:47:10 UTC

'Mary O' and Her Diatribe is Endemic. She 'is' Not The Only One. Her Vile, Bile Filled Narrative is Repeated by Thousands upon Thousands of Like Minded Blacks, All Across this Country.

Don't Think So?

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Message 1612411 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 22:06:08 UTC

Es99, before making a post you should stand back and have a good hard look at what you have typed before you actually hit the reply button.

Some of us here may have some heated discussions at times with each other, but we never bring someone else's family into them, so are you deigning making this post (just for starters)?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75112&postid=1606215

You have offended a great many of us here lately and at least 2 of those that I know of have been African Americans, who now no longer post here just because of you and your attitude (and you say that you're trying to support them against racism?), though a number of others have also made the same choice not to post here for the same reason (you).

Many PM boxes have also been running hot around here lately and the main subject has been you and your totally over the top, abusive and offensive posts, so what do you take home from that?

It's about time that you take a good hard look at yourself because ATM all you are doing is making enemies out of a lot of us.

Now that's the truth as great many of us here see it, but I guess that you'll just ignore the truth as usually and just stick with your own twisted thoughts of the what you see as the truth.

Now it's up to you, but I guess that you'll just delete this post to, as you're inclined to do just because you don't like the opinions of your peers.
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Message 1612420 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 22:16:11 UTC - in response to Message 1612411.  

Es99, before making a post you should stand back and have a good hard look at what you have typed before you actually hit the reply button.

Some of us here may have some heated discussions at times with each other, but we never bring someone else's family into them, so are you deigning making this post (just for starters)?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75112&postid=1606215

You have offended a great many of us here lately and at least 2 of those that I know of have been African Americans, who now no longer post here just because of you and your attitude (and you say that you're trying to support them against racism?), though a number of others have also made the same choice not to post here for the same reason (you).

Many PM boxes have also been running hot around here lately and the main subject has been you and your totally over the top, abusive and offensive posts, so what do you take home from that?

It's about time that you take a good hard look at yourself because ATM all you are doing is making enemies out of a lot of us.

Now that's the truth as great many of us here see it, but I guess that you'll just ignore the truth as usually and just stick with your own twisted thoughts of the what you see as the truth.

Now it's up to you, but I guess that you'll just delete this post to, as you're inclined to do just because you don't like the opinions of your peers.



Why should she? She darn well knows what she types man.
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Message 1612421 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 22:20:04 UTC

I belong to minority of our tiny planet, as scandinavian nordic white man, and im proud to be white. I agree with Wiggo, even with the beer situation.
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Message 1612448 - Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 22:52:57 UTC - in response to Message 1612421.  

I belong to minority of our tiny planet, as scandinavian nordic white man, and im proud to be white. I agree with Wiggo, even with the beer situation.


Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion.
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