Tough times for Educators who support police publicly .........

Published June 11, 2015 Associated Press

MIAMI – The principal of a South Florida high school has been removed from his position after expressing support online for a Texas police officer who waved a gun at black teens while responding to a call about an unruly pool party.

The Miami-Dade County school district announced Wednesday that Alberto Iber had been removed as principal of North Miami Senior High School and reassigned to administrative duties.

In a public post on a story about the Texas incident on the Miami Herald's website, Iber wrote that Officer David Eric Casebolt, who has since resigned, did nothing wrong and was afraid for his life. The post included Iber's Facebook picture, name, school and title.

Iber told the Herald that he supports law enforcement and was sorry if his opinion upset people.

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Oh, crack down on users and you definitely are a racist.

Racist? Or very creative job applicant?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/naacp-leader-posing-black-woman-outed-parents-white-video

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Racist? Or very creative job applicant?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/naacp-leader-posing-black-woman-outed-parents-white-video

I can't get my head around this story. I am very interested to know what was going through her head. From the looks of it, it had nothing to do with a job application, but started when she was at college.

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Racist? Or very creative job applicant?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/naacp-leader-posing-black-woman-outed-parents-white-video

I can't get my head around this story. I am very interested to know what was going through her head. From the looks of it, it had nothing to do with a job application, but started when she was at college.

What happened to imitation being the sincerest form of flattery?

This picture of her father has been circulating on the internet:

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Racist? Or very creative job applicant?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/naacp-leader-posing-black-woman-outed-parents-white-video

I can't get my head around this story. I am very interested to know what was going through her head. From the looks of it, it had nothing to do with a job application, but started when she was at college.

What happened to imitation being the sincerest form of flattery?

This picture of her father has been circulating on the internet:

Ouch.

The funny thing is I can see how people would be taken in. It has been pointed out in this thread that simply having one drop of African blood is enough to define you as black.

I taught in an all black school for a while and because of racial mixing the lines would sometimes become blurred as to who was actually white and who was passing for white. I had students ask me if I were black. In another school I had a colleague who I had no idea was black until she told me, and when I saw her family I saw that she was obviously from black heritage.

My son's girlfriend is technically black, but she does not look it.

So what actually does make someone black? What made this woman think she was black of feel that she wanted so badly to be black?

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Lenny Henry because i'm a black man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DahkwAsth-o

African blood?
But what about Viking blood?
Seems dangerous to me.

Give blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeXf90OGTHE

Why It Was So Easy For Rachel Dolezal to Slip Into Black Skin

"Dolezal has spent the last few years performing blackness, a role to which she was welcomed by unknowing members of the black community. (If black privilege or even reverse racism were real, entry would’ve eluded her.) Ask anyone who believes in respectability politics -- the absurd idea that if (mostly) black people would just do the work of being whiter, racism would disappear -- if that magic trick would work for the majority of African-Americans."

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So what actually does make someone black? What made this woman think she was black of feel that she wanted so badly to be black?

Self identification? I mean, its not uncommon for white people to act like they are black, although in most cases it ends up in them just appropriating black culture (almost every white rapper/hip hop star ever). That said, it could be that someone sincerely feels a close association to black culture, to the point they adopt it as their primary identity. If we take a look at history, there have been cases of for example British soldiers (in the days of the British empire) who went 'native' and became almost indistinguishable from actual native people. I don't think thats racist though.

Also, a lot of black people go 'white' as well. Except no one finds that in any way remarkable because our culture pretends that white is the norm and people conforming to that norm aren't really noticed.

So what actually does make someone black?

According to my grandparents, being from outside the town of Colne.

Seriously though, i have no idea. Perhaps we should dispense with the concept of black and white and instead use the Dulux paint chart.

My normal skin colour is A51 Fairy Wings, but since i caught the sun on Thursday my arms and neck are currently A62 Bombay Pink

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

So what actually does make someone black? What made this woman think she was black of feel that she wanted so badly to be black?

Self identification? I mean, its not uncommon for white people to act like they are black, although in most cases it ends up in them just appropriating black culture (almost every white rapper/hip hop star ever). That said, it could be that someone sincerely feels a close association to black culture, to the point they adopt it as their primary identity. If we take a look at history, there have been cases of for example British soldiers (in the days of the British empire) who went 'native' and became almost indistinguishable from actual native people. I don't think thats racist though.

Also, a lot of black people go 'white' as well. Except no one finds that in any way remarkable because our culture pretends that white is the norm and people conforming to that norm aren't really noticed.

Here is a bit more background to the story which could show that Rachel felt a close association to black culture.

Article which includes photograph of Rachel with her black husband and her adopted black siblings

So what actually does make someone black?

DNA? That would be the true race based definition.

Culture? Then DNA plays no role.

Self identification? Then there is no externally testable standard.

If DNA, to what %? The First Peoples tribes all have that issue as there are a dwindling number that are 100%. In the US due to slave rape there are many who are not 100% African DNA.

Old laws that said if Mommy was black, you are black, but if Mommy was white, you are white?

Good question, and there is no uniform answer.

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Sorry Lenny. It should be Sir Lenny Henry.

Lenny Henry 'chuffed' over knighthood but asks: 'Do I get a land and a castle now?'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/lenny-henry-chuffed-over-knighthood-5852658

And speaking of blacks.
I have not met so many "blacks" in my Life.
Most of "theme" are Brown I guess.
However Jacqueline and his brother are very black.
Our dog Tosca has the same color.

Give blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeXf90OGTHE

And we are all descendants to African peoples from the beginning.
Svante Pääbo knows the story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo

I became a black woman in Spokane. But, Rachel Dolezal, I was a black girl first

"Black womanhood is an identity forged in the lived experiences of black children. Anything else perpetuates society’s fetish for celebrating only parts of our bodies"

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I became a black woman in Spokane. But, Rachel Dolezal, I was a black girl first

"Black womanhood is an identity forged in the lived experiences of black children. Anything else perpetuates society’s fetish for celebrating only parts of our bodies"

Thats a really uncomfortable argument. I mean, for any other type of identity, that wouldn't fly. Use that argument against trans people (and that argument has been used against trans people) and see what a can of worms it opens.

I know, people have argued that its not the same, but I'm having a hard time seeing the difference :\

Enlighten me if you do see the difference.

I became a black woman in Spokane. But, Rachel Dolezal, I was a black girl first

"Black womanhood is an identity forged in the lived experiences of black children. Anything else perpetuates society’s fetish for celebrating only parts of our bodies"

Thats a really uncomfortable argument. I mean, for any other type of identity, that wouldn't fly. Use that argument against trans people (and that argument has been used against trans people) and see what a can of worms it opens.

I know, people have argued that its not the same, but I'm having a hard time seeing the difference :\

Enlighten me if you do see the difference.

I don't have any answers for you, I am still trying to get my head around it. Those arguments have been made about transgender people, especially the men transitioning to women. I think everyone understands why a woman might want to turn into a man as there are obvious benefits that come with that. The same goes from black people trying to pass as white.

To be honest, as I feel that gender is a construct and I feel like a person first and women second, I've never understood why people feel compelled to change their gender rather than society just accepting them for who they are.

Race is a construct too, and just another way of deciding which group is "better" than another.

Sorry, I just don't have any answers here, so I am going to read both sides and think about.

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Strange you don't hear a lot of race baiting going on between Asians and Caucasians in the US. I mean they have an ax to grind should they choose to do so. Brought here in the 1800's as Virtual slaves to build the railroads and as US labor, they have chosen not to portray themselves as eternal victims but rather to build on their strengths and establish businesses and grasp the 'American Dream'. A lot of the Agriculture endeavors in the US are Asian owned and run for several generations, despite initial prejudice against them.

The second major influx of Asian immigration came after the fall of Viet Nam. There were instances of prejudice in the Gulf Coast states where a lot of them settled and built successful fishing businesses. That prejudice came from those fishermen who were being overtaken in production because they were not willing to work as many hours and as hard as the Vietnamese fishermen. Those differences made very few headlines as there were no Viet Al Sharptons or Louis Farrakhans to fan the flames. They just kept their noses to the grindstone and built their lives.

The difference I see in the Black culture (and most other cultures)and Asian culture in the US is respect. Respect for each other, respect for authority, respect for family, and respect for tradition. Americas today say if it's old, throw it away and get something new. We no longer value the worth of unity but instead worship the God of diversity as an end instead of as a component of a greater inclusive society.

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Ess you are aware that woman is not black . Her perants are both white and there is bit of a controversy about her as i found out on the T.v in the last couple of days .

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The difference I see in the Black culture (and most other cultures)and Asian culture in the US is respect. Respect for each other, respect for authority, respect for family, and respect for tradition. Americas today say if it's old, throw it away and get something new. We no longer value the worth of unity but instead worship the God of diversity as an end instead of as a component of a greater inclusive society.

Do you think that respect or lack of it, might have something to do with the legacy of slavery?
The Asian people were not kept as property and their history and culture destroyed, their families split up and generations of women raped. I suspect that will leave a strong mark on people.

You can't compare them as they did not have the same experience. As far as I am aware the Jim Crow laws did not apply to Asians.

EDIT: I just want to clarify that I am also talking about the legacy of slavery on white people and how it formed stereotypes about black people.

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Ess you are aware that woman is not black . Her perants are both white and there is bit of a controversy about her as i found out on the T.v in the last couple of days .

Glenn, seeing as that is the whole point of our discussion, I'd say I am aware.

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