It's not a fact. And will not become a fact until 2050.

Fact (noun): a thing that is known or proved to be true.

At this stage it is nothing more than a hypothesis.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

It's not a fact. And will not become a fact until 2050.
At this stage it is nothing more than a hypothesis.

This not an opinon, hypothesis or theory.
It's based on data we already have but isn't taken in considiration.
Demografers predicted in 1958 that the population would be 6.3 billion by the year 2000. They where 4% wrong:)
Maybe an epidemy or an nuclare war in an epic scale could change the facts.

It's not a fact. And will not become a fact until 2050.

Fact (noun): a thing that is known or proved to be true.

At this stage it is nothing more than a hypothesis.

Same applies to trying to predict 'climate change' with 500 years of data on a 3.5 billion year time scale. The climate has been changing since the primordial lava cooled....

As to population growth, there are checks built in, Ebola, Bird Flu, H1N9, some plague will eventually decimate humankind.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

In that time the atmosphere has changed from methane, ammonia and hydrogen sulphide to nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide and water. So predicting a rise in CO2 levels isn't too big a leap.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

The world's population will continue to increase during the remainder of the century. In 2100 there will be around 11 billion people, according to new calculations. There are two billion more than previously thought before, a new study shows. "If there should be fewer than 9.6 billion something worse than the Black Death must happen. The big news here is the probability calculation, which has been made for the first time. The lower limit says 9.6 billion, the upper says 12.3. To 95 percent certainty, we end up somewhere in there." says Hans Rosling.
Rosling is a professor of international health and has served as an advisor to Sida and the World Health Organization.
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Predicting Co2 is not hard we know how much carbon we are burning and how much forests , Jungles and grass lands take up .

And we have the data in ice cores and what they take in Mauna Loa and it's going up faster as we pump more out .

We have cut down at least 50% of the worlds Native lands . The one thing Deniers can't disprove is the Co2 level . We know what the medical long term effects will be when it reaches 600ppm , Ignore that at you own perrell .

At 2.5 aver increase per year , that's less than 1 life time at current levels and we all need to understand this quickly

CURRENT LEVEL

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/

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Intressing charts, Glenn.
During the winter, the CO2 level is now about 400 ppm and 395 ppm during the summer every year.
The difference is probably that we in the northern hemisphere has more CO2 emissions, 1%, only for heating our houses.

The chart and there's more than one . If you look at the two yearly you will see there is a trend where the high is getting higher and the low is get higher about 2.5 ppm .

In the mid 20th century it was going up only 0.2 or less so do the math simple .

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The chart and there's more than one . If you look at the two yearly you will see there is a trend where the high is getting higher and the low is get higher about 2.5 ppm .
In the mid 20th century it was going up only 0.2 or less so do the math simple .

I was looking at the two yearly:)
Come to think about it. I Think there is enough data to calculate how much the CO2 emissions are due to burning carbon and gas, only to heat houses.

btw, Glenn. Isn't there more wildfires in Australia then Before?

For you guys Jan I can understand you need to keep warm . But we can also change our power mix . Those that can use natural should be doing all they can . And I saw a interesting thing on the T.V

We have all herd of 3d Printing but , we haven't been able to do Metal but now they can . As someone that worked in steel I understand the problems and how much energy would be saved if we did not have to Cast everything but could Print it .

So there's hope yet

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For you guys Jan I can understand you need to keep warm . But we can also change our power mix . Those that can use natural should be doing all they can . And I saw a interesting thing on the T.V
We have all herd of 3d Printing but , we haven't been able to do Metal but now they can . As someone that worked in steel I understand the problems and how much energy would be saved if we did not have to Cast everything but could Print it.
So there's hope yet

We already have a mix and it's not so cold here anymore:)
The main sources of energy in Sweden is oil, biofuels, hydroelectric and nuclear power. Oil and biofuels account for 50% of consumption. Oil consumption has been reduced by 50% since 1970.

The casting process doesn't require so much energy as you might Think.
But making ingots from iron ore does. And so do aluminium where you use a LOT of electricity to extract the metal from bauxite.

There are also new casting techniques where you use iron powder instead.
It is not melted instead you use heat and pressure to mould what you want.

Dr. HOHUM been Lookin' Up at DEM Stars fO Over 400 Years. And, you know, I fO Funs Sake, have made Many A Chart out of All Dose Thousands and Thousands and Thousands of Twinklies. Man O Live. Right Now I've Got O2, CO2 and Da Fave Methane 'Chartin' at The Right Levels fO Tasty. Real Tasty. And I See, from My Charts, many many mO Centuries of Tasty O2 CO2 and CH 4. Gulp. Yum. Mantra of Chart and Believe 'is' What I Believe.

CO2 oh CO2, ifn 'it' weren't fO you and oh O2, I'd Be Blue, Blue Blue Blue. Happy Happy All Millennia Long, with A Little mO Methane I Will continue dis Song. HO HO HUM, Yum Yum Yum. Tasty GOoDies Under dA Sun.

Yep

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

A real elephant in the room that is not being discussed is the release of artic methane, now thats a dandy of a green house gas.

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A real elephant in the room that is not being discussed is the release of artic methane, now thats a dandy of a green house gas.

Yes it has. Methane, CH4, is about 20 times more aggresive than CO2 to the atmosphere. When the globe are getting warmer more CH4 will be released.
Not only in Sibiria's permafrost but also the oceans that contains a LOT of CH4.
Once there was a super vulcano in Russia that heated the oceans in such a degree that it caused a mass extinction about 250 million years ago.

Predicting Co2 is not hard we know how much carbon we are burning and how much forests , Jungles and grass lands take up .

And we have the data in ice cores and what they take in Mauna Loa and it's going up faster as we pump more out .

We have cut down at least 50% of the worlds Native lands . The one thing Deniers can't disprove is the Co2 level . We know what the medical long term effects will be when it reaches 600ppm , Ignore that at you own perrell .

At 2.5 aver increase per year , that's less than 1 life time at current levels and we all need to understand this quickly

CURRENT LEVEL

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/

When looking at the 800,000 year scale of the graph, it would appear to me that huge spike in the last 12,000 years would indicate an unstoppable inertia, bar a complete elimination of all energy consuming activities on Earth or an immediate conversion to strict Hydro-Electric and alternative sources.

Fact is that won't happen. China won't quit burning coal and oil, neither will India. The Lords of Oil and the Greedy Tax Grubbing politicians of all countries will not allow it to happen.

Probably the most humane solution would be a truly MASSIVE Coronal Mass Ejection to fry all the electronics here. Instant stoppage of all things depending to any extent on electricity. Back to a 17th century existence for the most part. The fittest survive and the Greenhouse Gasses temporarily subside.

Life without I Phones? The HORROR........

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

If we are lucky something that benign would occur.

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A real elephant in the room that is not being discussed is the release of artic methane, now thats a dandy of a green house gas.

Yes it has. Methane, CH4, is about 20 times more aggresive than CO2 to the atmosphere. When the globe are getting warmer more CH4 will be released.
Not only in Sibiria's permafrost but also the oceans that contains a LOT of CH4.
Once there was a super vulcano in Russia that heated the oceans in such a degree that it caused a mass extinction about 250 million years ago.

I've seen peer reviewed articles with numbers for CH4 from around 15 to over 100 times CO2. Is all of climate science that accurate?

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I've seen peer reviewed articles with numbers for CH4 from around 15 to over 100 times CO2. Is all of climate science that accurate?

Either way that is still an elephant.

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Meathane only stays in the atmosphere for approx. 12 yrs before it is absorbed back in to the earth and it also breaks down and why it's accumulative effect is only 20 times Co2 if it stayed in the atmosphere longer then the effect is higher and worse

Jan Alumimium uses heaps of power to heat the furnaces up and to run the machines and steel is even more so printing looks to me much more efficient . When I say castings I'm not talking small amounts but large amounts at a time . it's not just the heating and casting but the cleaning and grinding and finishing and waste that is produced . You Don't work for B.H.P steel or Pasminco without learning how it's all done mate 10 yrs Port Kembla and 15 at Sandvik Steel and Pasminco Look the Companys up and you'll get a ideai of my experience

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Glenn. You're talking to a Swede:) Glad to see that you have worked at Sandvik AB. When Sandvik celibrated 75 years, I bought a saw that was called Symphony.
Maybe you know that you can also play on a saw, hence the name :)
Sandviken personnel

http://www.boliden.com/Operations/Smelters/E-scrap-project/
GOLD :) http://streamio.com/api/v1/videos/4ff18bdc11581e246d000707/public_show?link=true&player_id=4c9b6854b35ea807b5000001
To Reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the production process, use Green Pellets
https://www.lkab.com/en/Our-Approach/Quality-and-Environment/Green-Pellets/
Aluminium can be rightly called a loop metal. Recycling aluminum makes a saving of up to 95 percent of the amount of energy used in the production of aluminum from bauxite.
The Swedish Steel Industry has been actively working with environmental issues since the 1960s, and major improvements have been implemented.
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btw You cannot cast steel. Only iron.
Boliden Rönnskärsverken, gold and cupper producer, are a customer of mine. I make computer software to them. Maybe I sould talk to them at Rönnskärsverken how they have improved environmental issues:)