I would say that the cases where cops killing innocent people are extremly rare.

Not in the US.

I wrote cops killing innocent people.
Not killing people by accident.
And US have a lot of hand guns compared to Europe!
Both legally and illegally.

I would say that the cases where cops killing innocent people are extremly rare.

Not in the US.

Remember...

Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.

The alternative?

And if a doctor does that, he can get sued for malpractice, or there will be a hearing to see if the doctor is still fit to practice medicine. In other words, there are severe consequences for doctors that commit manslaughter.

For the police? Well we saw it, two grand jury cases, with prosecutors that did their best to ensure the conclusion would be to not hold an actual trial. No punishments, no proper investigation, just a big f-u to the community. The cases where cops get severe punishments for killing innocent people are rare.

I would say that the cases where cops killing innocent people are extremly rare.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

What I expect is that every time a cop pulls a gun on anyone, there will be an investigation whether it was justified or not. And in cases where it was not justified, that cop gets reprimanded. In cases where the cop kills someone without a good reason, I expect that cop to be severely punished. The only way to curb unjustified police violence is when there are strict penalties on it.

Some people on this forum keep blabbering on and on about how America supposedly believes in strictly checking the power of the government because they believe all power corrupts. But strangely those same people are defending the practice of cops being able to gun down anyone they please without any consequences. Perhaps they have forgotten that the police is part of the government? Or perhaps they feel that lawyers and pencil pushers are a bigger threat to their liberty than those who are armed and have the legal rights to shoot citizens for as little reason as 'being afraid'.

Remember...

Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.

The alternative?

And if a doctor does that, he can get sued for malpractice, or there will be a hearing to see if the doctor is still fit to practice medicine. In other words, there are severe consequences for doctors that commit manslaughter.

For the police? Well we saw it, two grand jury cases, with prosecutors that did their best to ensure the conclusion would be to not hold an actual trial. No punishments, no proper investigation, just a big f-u to the community. The cases where cops get severe punishments for killing innocent people are rare.

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

Remember...
Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.
The alternative?

The alternative would be perhaps more innocent people killed.
What is "Technical Manslaughter"?

Assisted suicide for the terminaly ill.
My Grandmother was 96. Her kidneys were failing for 6 months she didnt want to go on dialyisis then she fell and broke her hip. She went on a morphine drip for pain. After 6 days she went into a coma. She died 5 days later.
Was it the morphine drip, The kidneys failing or her ready to die?
She told us she had a nice full life and was tired of the pain. I think in her case the drip was just to ease her pain as she gave up the will to live.
So in her case the Dr. could have made the decsion to have her go on dialasys. and operated on her hip. But he didnt. So Technicaly he didnt do his job. I however dont agree with that, He eased her pain and let her die by her choice.

Euthanasia. There is a divisive public controversy over the moral, ethical, and legal issues of euthanasia.
I saw a documentary about it. A briton about 50 years old who went to a clinic in Switzerland and they showed the whole procedure.
Very uncomfortable to watch. But in his case beeing that ill he was and not being able to have a "normal" life...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

Remember...
Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.
The alternative?

The alternative would be perhaps more innocent people killed.
What is "Technical Manslaughter"?

Assisted suicide for the terminaly ill.
My Grandmother was 96. Her kidneys were failing for 6 months she didnt want to go on dialyisis then she fell and broke her hip. She went on a morphine drip for pain. After 6 days she went into a coma. She died 5 days later.
Was it the morphine drip, The kidneys failing or her ready to die?
She told us she had a nice full life and was tired of the pain. I think in her case the drip was just to ease her pain as she gave up the will to live.
So in her case the Dr. could have made the decsion to have her go on dialasys. and operated on her hip. But he didnt. So Technicaly he didnt do his job. I however dont agree with that, He eased her pain and let her die by her choice.

Same with my Mom at 92. Under Hospice Care at my home.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

What is "Technical Manslaughter"?

Meets the Legal Requirements and Definitions, regarding Manslaughter, in the Criminal Statutes.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

Remember...
Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.
The alternative?

The alternative would be perhaps more innocent people killed.
What is "Technical Manslaughter"?

Assisted suicide for the terminaly ill.
My Grandmother was 96. Her kidneys were failing for 6 months she didnt want to go on dialyisis then she fell and broke her hip. She went on a morphine drip for pain. After 6 days she went into a coma. She died 5 days later.
Was it the morphine drip, The kidneys failing or her ready to die?
She told us she had a nice full life and was tired of the pain. I think in her case the drip was just to ease her pain as she gave up the will to live.
So in her case the Dr. could have made the decsion to have her go on dialasys. and operated on her hip. But he didnt. So Technicaly he didnt do his job. I however dont agree with that, He eased her pain and let her die by her choice.

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Old James

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

Remember...
Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.
The alternative?

The alternative would be perhaps more innocent people killed.
What is "Technical Manslaughter"?

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

Remember...

Doctor's are allowed to Commit Technical Manslaughter.

The alternative?

---

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens?
Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative...

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

Specifically...

Which Murder's/Manslaughter's, are you referring to?

Have you not been paying attention to the news lately? Didn't read the New York times for I dunno? the past few months? Not aware of why there are protests all over the country? Yeah, those cases of manslaughter.

I get The New York Times Delivered to my doorstep, every morning, for the last Four Decades.

Specifically...

Which Murder's/Manslaughter's, are you referring to?

---

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

Specifically...

Which Murder's/Manslaughter's, are you referring to?

Have you not been paying attention to the news lately? Didn't read the New York times for I dunno? the past few months? Not aware of why there are protests all over the country? Yeah, those cases of manslaughter.

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

Specifically...

Which Murder's/Manslaughter's, are you referring to?

---

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really.

The use of 'Deadly Physical Force' (shooting), can ONLY be used, in America, to Protect One's, or Another's LIFE.

The Dutch police are trained to SHOOT at another person, when their, or another's life, is NOT in Danger?

THAT is a CRIME in The USA.

Under certain circumstances yes.

Besides, while technically in the US officers are only allowed to shoot when its necessary to protect one's life or the lives of bystanders, reality has shown that police shoot people who are not a threat to anyone. Including young children. The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions.

Just a Rant.

We do understand you, and what your agenda is.

The Collapse, and Defeat of Certain Country's (Left and Right), in the Last Century. Must have caused great sadness among you, and other people.

But, you are still trying. Good luck.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

The use of 'Deadly Physical Force' (shooting), can ONLY be used, in America, to Protect One's, or Another's LIFE.
The Dutch police are trained to SHOOT at another person, when their, or another's life, is NOT in Danger?
THAT is a CRIME in The USA.

Under certain circumstances yes.
Besides, while technically in the US officers are only allowed to shoot when its necessary to protect one's life or the lives of bystanders, reality has shown that police shoot people who are not a threat to anyone. Including young children. The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions.

What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions?
I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is.
In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same.

The use of 'Deadly Physical Force' (shooting), can ONLY be used, in America, to Protect One's, or Another's LIFE.

The Dutch police are trained to SHOOT at another person, when their, or another's life, is NOT in Danger?

THAT is a CRIME in The USA.

Under certain circumstances yes.

Besides, while technically in the US officers are only allowed to shoot when its necessary to protect one's life or the lives of bystanders, reality has shown that police shoot people who are not a threat to anyone. Including young children. The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions.

The difference here is that they are also trained to aim for the legs in cases where they are not in danger.

The use of 'Deadly Physical Force' (shooting), can ONLY be used, in America, to Protect One's, or Another's LIFE.

The Dutch police are trained to SHOOT at another person, when their, or another's life, is NOT in Danger?

THAT is a CRIME in The USA.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton