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Message 1589263 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 14:05:05 UTC

Thinks t might have something to do with the command line.

On the 4GB PC http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7283519 I had the problem with this command line

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 8 1 -tune 2 64 8 1

After changing it to

-unroll 16 -ffa_block 10240 -ffa_block_fetch 5120 -use_sleep -tune 1 64 8 1 -tune 2 64 8 1

The problem seems to have gone away.
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Message 1589266 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 14:09:22 UTC - in response to Message 1586363.  

Avast! also freaked out that I was downloading the file. Naturally I ignore the warning of a dangerous file.


I use Avast and downloaded both the 32-bit and the 64-bit installers. Strangely enough, Avast did not object to the 64-bit version.
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Message 1589267 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 14:11:22 UTC - in response to Message 1589257.  

[Which one ?
Is it HT or pysical 8 cores ?
Something else must consume ressources.

It's this http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5284345

It's running HT, have 12GB ram, 3 GPU WUs using -use_sleep and 4 CPU WUs running leaving 4 cores free, CPU usage is around 50-60%.


Its probably -unroll 26.
Go back to unroll 18.


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Message 1589272 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 14:27:11 UTC - in response to Message 1589246.  

Can no longer do 2 GPU units at once as I was since installing .43

Running 6.10.58. I'm sure it's the app info but not sure how to resolve...help please?

Thx ahead of time


Yes, its the appinfo.
Just change everything from

<count>1</count> to <count>0.5</count>
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Thank you-back to where we were.


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Message 1589275 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 14:45:32 UTC - in response to Message 1589267.  

[Which one ?
Is it HT or pysical 8 cores ?
Something else must consume ressources.

It's this http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5284345

It's running HT, have 12GB ram, 3 GPU WUs using -use_sleep and 4 CPU WUs running leaving 4 cores free, CPU usage is around 50-60%.


Its probably -unroll 26.
Go back to unroll 18.

That didn't help, the memory stealing WU keeps on stealing.

Pausing it starts another WU which runs normal, unpausing the WU and it's continues stealing.
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Message 1589329 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 16:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 1589275.  
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[Which one ?
Is it HT or pysical 8 cores ?
Something else must consume ressources.

It's this http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5284345

It's running HT, have 12GB ram, 3 GPU WUs using -use_sleep and 4 CPU WUs running leaving 4 cores free, CPU usage is around 50-60%.


Its probably -unroll 26.
Go back to unroll 18.

That didn't help, the memory stealing WU keeps on stealing.

Pausing it starts another WU which runs normal, unpausing the WU and it's continues stealing.


Reduce ffa_fetch and ffa_fetch_block like you did on your other host.

It seems your host can`t cope with sharp timings.


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Message 1589350 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 17:41:06 UTC - in response to Message 1589329.  

Go back to unroll 18.

That didn't help, the memory stealing WU keeps on stealing.

Pausing it starts another WU which runs normal, unpausing the WU and it's continues stealing.


Reduce ffa_fetch and ffa_fetch_block like you did on your other host.

It seems your host can`t cope with sharp timings.

Didn't help either, even tried almost barebone command line, same thing.

-unroll 12 -ffa_block 12288 -ffa_block_fetch 6144 -use_sleep

It's strange, host runs fine except for a few WUs, think this is the first one on the GTX970 host, seems to me the problem maybe lies with the WU itself.
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Message 1589451 - Posted: 20 Oct 2014, 21:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 1589350.  

Go back to unroll 18.

That didn't help, the memory stealing WU keeps on stealing.

Pausing it starts another WU which runs normal, unpausing the WU and it's continues stealing.


Reduce ffa_fetch and ffa_fetch_block like you did on your other host.

It seems your host can`t cope with sharp timings.

Didn't help either, even tried almost barebone command line, same thing.

-unroll 12 -ffa_block 12288 -ffa_block_fetch 6144 -use_sleep

It's strange, host runs fine except for a few WUs, think this is the first one on the GTX970 host, seems to me the problem maybe lies with the WU itself.

Although it won't be much help, I downloaded that WU from
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/143/ap_28jn14aa_B5_P1_00055_20141018_06043.wu

and ran it on my AMD A10-4600M APU test laptop with the OpenCL ATI app. The memory usage was under 350 MiB. Of course that's about as different a memory situation as possible with the GPU portion of the APU using system RAM rather than dedicated VRAM, etc. About the only thing in common is that laptop is running Windows 7 64 bit (the Home Premium flavor).

The run found 29 Single pulses, 30 Repetitive pulses, and there was 8.8% blanking. That's not a typical WU, but similar WUs aren't very rare either. I can't think of any reason for the task to use an unusual amount of memory, but I'm no expert in how recent NVIDIA drivers deal with memory.

The 30 Repetitive pulses were found early at the end of the first large chunk, so before 1% progress. After that the FFAs would no longer be used, so it might be worthwhile to check how quickly the memory usage grows when processing from the beginning.
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Message 1590134 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 12:33:46 UTC

IMHO there is a small bug in the installer - APv7_r2559_SSE3_OSX64.zip

/Files_to_Install/apv7_install.command

in line 24:

change sed s/sahv7_install.command//
to sed s/apv7_install.command//

Many thanks to the team.

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Message 1590146 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:09:33 UTC - in response to Message 1589263.  
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This is a capture I did yesterday on the PC with only 4GB, normally there's no problem, but with the app taking 1.4GB I have a problem ;)




Thinks t might have something to do with the command line.

On the 4GB PC http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7283519 I had the problem with this command line

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 8 1 -tune 2 64 8 1

After changing it to

-unroll 16 -ffa_block 10240 -ffa_block_fetch 5120 -use_sleep -tune 1 64 8 1 -tune 2 64 8 1

The problem seems to have gone away.


Next time one will see such excessive system memory consumption please catch that particular task and send it to me along with command line options used in task processing.
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Message 1590152 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:25:31 UTC
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I have one who uses more than 1 GB.

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu_0 00:21:28 (00:00:10) 0,83 61,261 00:43:27 12/11/2014 07:01:51 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

Command Line:

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

it´s a 2x780FTW host

What else you need?

One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

<edit> another one from the same host, suspended it for now (this one uses 1.7 GB)

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu_1 00:00:02 (-) 24,00 0,044 01:22:51 12/11/2014 06:46:22 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2
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Message 1590154 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 1590152.  
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I have one who uses more than 1 GB.

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu_0 00:21:28 (00:00:10) 0,83 61,261 00:43:27 12/11/2014 07:01:51 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

Command Line:

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

it´s a 2x780FTW host

What else you need?

One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

<edit> another one from the same host, suspended it for now (this one uexes 1. GB)

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu_1 00:00:02 (-) 24,00 0,044 01:22:51 12/11/2014 06:46:22 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2


I need task itself (binary or link to download binary).


One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

yep, it correlates with my current suspiction where it could be. I expected this issue diminished in APv7 though so need test case to explore.
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Message 1590157 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:49:22 UTC - in response to Message 1590152.  

I have one who uses more than 1 GB.

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu_0 00:21:28 (00:00:10) 0,83 61,261 00:43:27 12/11/2014 07:01:51 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

Command Line:

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

it´s a 2x780FTW host

What else you need?

One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

<edit> another one from the same host, suspended it for now (this one uses 1.7 GB)

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu_1 00:00:02 (-) 24,00 0,044 01:22:51 12/11/2014 06:46:22 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

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Message 1590158 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:52:40 UTC - in response to Message 1590157.  

I have one who uses more than 1 GB.

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu_0 00:21:28 (00:00:10) 0,83 61,261 00:43:27 12/11/2014 07:01:51 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

Command Line:

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

it´s a 2x780FTW host

What else you need?

One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

<edit> another one from the same host, suspended it for now (this one uses 1.7 GB)

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu_1 00:00:02 (-) 24,00 0,044 01:22:51 12/11/2014 06:46:22 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

If you do not already have it & need help finding the download path. There is the SETI fanout url generator

And it works a treat. Both data files are still on the server.

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/39f/ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/2f5/ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu
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Message 1590161 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:54:13 UTC - in response to Message 1590154.  

I have one who uses more than 1 GB.

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu_0 00:21:28 (00:00:10) 0,83 61,261 00:43:27 12/11/2014 07:01:51 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

Command Line:

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

it´s a 2x780FTW host

What else you need?

One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

<edit> another one from the same host, suspended it for now (this one uexes 1. GB)

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu_1 00:00:02 (-) 24,00 0,044 01:22:51 12/11/2014 06:46:22 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2


I need task itself (binary or link to download binary).


One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

yep, it correlates with my current suspiction where it could be. I expected this issue diminished in APv7 though so need test case to explore.

UL to my skydrive now and send you the link by PM in few min, sorry for the delay i´m in a diferent country than the host.
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Message 1590162 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:54:51 UTC - in response to Message 1590158.  
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thanks, got them.

@juan BFB - Thanks, no need. I got them from Richard's link already.
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Message 1590163 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 13:57:22 UTC - in response to Message 1590162.  
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thanks, got them.

@juan BFB - Thanks, no need. I got them from Richard's link already.


OK hope that help to fix the problem. If you need more examples or want to test any fix on this host just ask, aparently the problem is very common on this host, latter i will check if that happening on the others.
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Message 1590266 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 18:35:36 UTC - in response to Message 1590162.  

The one in the Joe's post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75863&postid=1589451#1589451

... is also still on the server:
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/143/ap_28jn14aa_B5_P1_00055_20141018_06043.wu
 


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Message 1590298 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 19:28:30 UTC

As previously noted in some thread or other (not sure if it was this one), when I installed .43 on my GPU-only box, I incorrectly installed cuda 50 for MB. At the time, I did not install CPU apps at all, but I did install the AP7 GPU app. It never got any AP7s.

Last night, I reinstalled for cuda 42, once again including AP7 for GPU and this time also installing the CPU apps (even though I don't run them -- I figured it didn't hurt anything to install them, since it's disallowed in my prefs). Since I did the reinstall last night, it has downloaded 5 AP7s.

I can't really make the case that there's a cause/effect relationship between not installing the CPU apps and not getting any AP7s, but it seems an odd coincidence.
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Message 1590312 - Posted: 22 Oct 2014, 19:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 1590162.  
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@ Raistmer

I made some more tests and the problem is aparently related to the -oclfft_plan switch, when you run without the switch the problem dissapears.

The same problem apears on others hosts with the same GPU (780FTW) all running Win7 and i see at least one example on a 2x690 host who runs Win Server and on a 670 hosts with win 7.
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