When I exited the momument and turned around to look at it I had tears streaming down my face.
I do disagree with you that the Wall isnt art. To me its the highest form of art calling out the stupidty on man.

A tragic burden our generation has carried for over 40 years.

That is the message of the art, the lesson taught.

It is transformative to visit. Good art is transformative.

While none of its individual parts is particularly arty, the sum total has archived more than the parts. That is also part of its art. It is also architecture. It is a building of two walls.

If you wish to compare it to another monument a couple miles away

This one isn't particularly arty at all. Highly traditional and essentially what you would expect to see.

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When I exited the momument and turned around to look at it I had tears streaming down my face.
I do disagree with you that the Wall isnt art. To me its the highest form of art calling out the stupidty on man.

A tragic burden our generation has carried for over 40 years.

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That is Art IMO.
Yes a symbol which means its art per definition!

No, symbols don't have to be art. A symbol contains a message, art contains a story. A symbol has to be instantly recognizable while art does not need to be recognized as such. And finally, with a symbol, the focus lies with the message it tries to convey, while art is much more about the inherent aesthetic value of its chosen medium.

This memorial is not art. Its message is to the survivors and its message contains no aesthetic value whatsoever. The symbol here is political purely functional in nature.

Ask yourself this question. Would a symbol be created in and by itself if the message it currently tries convey did not exist? If yes, then its art, if not, then its not art. This memorial wall would never have been created if those people hadn't died. It exists only because its part of a collective memory and serves no existence outside of symbolizing that collective memory. Its not art.

Yes its a symbol. And yes it would not have been built if Viet Nam had not been fought. Yes it is a memorial. But having seen it in person.
It is art.
Its simple and pleasing to the eye. If art is supposed to move you, The Wall does. I walked its length reading the names of the fallen in a stupid war of my gerneration. When I exited the momument and turned around to look at it I had tears streaming down my face.
I do disagree with you that the Wall isnt art. To me its the highest form of art calling out the stupidty on man.

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That is Art IMO.
Yes a symbol which means its art per definition!

No, symbols don't have to be art. A symbol contains a message, art contains a story. A symbol has to be instantly recognizable while art does not need to be recognized as such. And finally, with a symbol, the focus lies with the message it tries to convey, while art is much more about the inherent aesthetic value of its chosen medium.

This memorial is not art. Its message is to the survivors and its message contains no aesthetic value whatsoever. The symbol here is political purely functional in nature.

Ask yourself this question. Would a symbol be created in and by itself if the message it currently tries convey did not exist? If yes, then its art, if not, then its not art. This memorial wall would never have been created if those people hadn't died. It exists only because its part of a collective memory and serves no existence outside of symbolizing that collective memory. Its not art.

Oh dear
A memorial is not art?
Then what is it? Rubbish?
The Washington Memorial Wall IS art. Period.

That is Art IMO.
Yes a symbol which means its art per definition!

No, symbols don't have to be art. A symbol contains a message, art contains a story. A symbol has to be instantly recognizable while art does not need to be recognized as such. And finally, with a symbol, the focus lies with the message it tries to convey, while art is much more about the inherent aesthetic value of its chosen medium.

This memorial is not art. Its message is to the survivors and its message contains no aesthetic value whatsoever. The symbol here is political purely functional in nature.

Ask yourself this question. Would a symbol be created in and by itself if the message it currently tries convey did not exist? If yes, then its art, if not, then its not art. This memorial wall would never have been created if those people hadn't died. It exists only because its part of a collective memory and serves no existence outside of symbolizing that collective memory. Its not art.

Art or Rock?

It can bring tears to people, so it has emotion, but it is just names on sliced rock.

Neither really. Its a symbol, a Lieux de Mémoire, but not art.

That is Art IMO.
Yes a symbol which means its art per definition!

Art or Rock?

It can bring tears to people, so it has emotion, but it is just names on sliced rock.

Neither really. Its a symbol, a Lieux de Mémoire, but not art.

Jimi Hendrix - The Star Spangled Banner [ American Anthem ] ( Live at Woodstock 1969 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjzZh6-h9fM
From a talkshow Jimi explains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ZYUaRKQkk

Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

Only if people get political about it.

Julie. Now I'm very confused...

The personal is political, Janneseti.

...and as we've seen from discussion here, art is personal.

Of course it's personal.
And funny.
And disturbing.
And necessary.
And political.
So whats your Point Es99?

Without Culture and Art....

Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

Only if people get political about it.

Julie. Now I'm very confused...

The personal is political, Janneseti.

...and as we've seen from discussion here, art is personal.

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Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

Only if people get political about it.

Julie. Now I'm very confused...

Only if conversations about sex would turn up to be political tainted, means disagreeing with eachother in very simple terms, in the Cafe, we mostly agree with each other:)

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Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

Only if people get political about it.

Julie. Now I'm very confused...

Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

Only if people get political about it.

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rOZZ
Music
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Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

US! Wake up! It's the 20th Century!

yes 2014!

Jesus, what's next? Sex classed as politics?

jeez. I see no resaon to have moved an honest if not spirited dialog on what is art to the cesspit of politics.

Me neither.
Art is very much politics but it its more.
We enjoy art everyday and it shouldn't be left to politicians (or moderators) to decide whats bad or good.
Big horror...

I must say it was most disconcerting :) I entered my edit window in the cafe and when I exited it... I was in here... TARDIS or magic? Who knows! :)

jeez. I see no resaon to have moved an honest if not spirited dialog on what is art to the cesspit of politics.

Me neither.
Art is very much politics but it its more.
We enjoy art everyday and it shouldn't be left to politicians (or moderators) to decide whats bad or good.
Big horror...

jeez. I see no resaon to have moved an honest if not spirited dialog on what is art to the cesspit of politics.


Well as everyone has there own definition of art and what constitutes art. I for one wont begrudge any person the right to say that what they call art is my junk and or vice a versa.
My opinion is that anything that man makes in whatever media can be called art, If even one person likes it.

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Anniet you made those cakes WOW your a master cheif girl .

You thought of trying out your craft on 1 of them cooking shows . I'm thinking the 1 that they take peoples recipes and turn them into household name brands and make a mint outa it .

very impressed ....yummmy

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Art or Rock?

It can bring tears to people, so it has emotion, but it is just names on sliced rock.

It bring tears to my eyes.
Washington memorial wall?
Yes true art!
Like this one