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Message 1580899 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 11:41:41 UTC - in response to Message 1580898.  
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It is true that the Wikipedia that we all refer to is based in San Francisco. But the views expressed are world wide.

US Attorney General Eric Holder is WRONG!

Well I am glad that someone from Sweden is able to advise him otherwise .....


Now you are stupid:( Its actually 3 weeks now...
http://carnegieendowment.org/about/?lang=en
Posted by: Aron Lund Tuesday, September 23, 2014
The “Khorasan Group” is a term that gained currency only in the past two weeks. It was first discussed in a September 13 dispatch by the Associated Press, but reporting didn’t really take off until after September 20, when the New York Times quoted U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper as saying that “in terms of threat to the homeland, Khorasan may pose as much of a danger as the Islamic State.” This set off a minor tsunami of headlines in U.S. and international media, typically presenting this “Khorasan” as a hitherto unknown but incredibly lethal new terrorist group in Syria.

A closer reading of the actual statements by U.S. officials to the New York Times, Associated Press, and other media paints a different picture. What is being discussed is not a “new terrorist group,” but rather a specialized cell that has gradually been established within, or on, the fringes of an already existing al-Qaeda franchise, the so-called Nusra Front. What this seems to be about is a jihadi cell consisting of veteran al-Qaeda members who have arrived to the Nusra Front in Syria from abroad, mainly via Iran, and who are in direct contact with al-Qaeda’s international leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, himself believed to be based in Pakistan.


To make it more complicated...
The al-Nusra Front or Jabhat al-Nusra "The Support Front for the People of Sham"), sometimes called Tanzim Qa'edat Al-Jihad fi Bilad Al-Sham or Al-Qaeda in Syria, is a branch of al-Qaeda operating in Syria and Lebanon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front
and Jund al-Sham the name of either of two separate extremist Islamic groupings...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jund_al-Sham

Eric Himpton Holder, Jr. is the 82nd Attorney General of the United States, in office since 2009. What merits has he in foreign affairs?
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Message 1580898 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 11:34:23 UTC
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It is true that the Wikipedia that we all refer to is based in San Francisco. But the views expressed are world wide.

US Attorney General Eric Holder is WRONG!

Well I am glad that someone from Sweden is able to advise him otherwise .....
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Message 1580897 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 11:32:43 UTC - in response to Message 1580895.  
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Janne, we have covered all this before ...

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The “Khorasan Group” is a term that gained currency only in the past two weeks.

"This is a group that has been known to us for two years," US Attorney General Eric Holder told Yahoo News.


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US Attorney General Eric Holder is WRONG!
http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=56707
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Message 1580896 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 11:22:53 UTC - in response to Message 1580895.  
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Janne, we have covered all this before ... previous post

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No!!!! Thats the american version.

Negar JOSEPHI: "Hatred can never win"
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Message 1580895 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 11:21:50 UTC
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Janne, we have covered all this before ...

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The “Khorasan Group” is a term that gained currency only in the past two weeks.

"This is a group that has been known to us for two years," US Attorney General Eric Holder told Yahoo News.
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Message 1580892 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 11:02:16 UTC - in response to Message 1580757.  
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I know how Glen Beck is disliked by some around here and if you are one of those people, don't click on the links. In order to answer the question about sending troops, you need to understand the history of why the middle east is blowing up. The first link is a very good history of the whole issue and the second talks about the Khorasans and what they are about. This is history I never learned about in school and have only heard a little bit about throughout my life.
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The “Khorasan Group” is a term that gained currency only in the past two weeks.
Khorasan, also known as the Khorasan Group, refers to an alleged group of senior al-Qaeda members who operate in Syria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khorasan_(Islamist_group)
What Is the “Khorasan Group” and Why Is the U.S. Bombing It in Syria?
http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=56707

To make it more complicated...
The al-Nusra Front or Jabhat al-Nusra "The Support Front for the People of Sham"), sometimes called Tanzim Qa'edat Al-Jihad fi Bilad Al-Sham or Al-Qaeda in Syria, is a branch of al-Qaeda operating in Syria and Lebanon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front
and Jund al-Sham the name of either of two separate extremist Islamic groupings...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jund_al-Sham
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Message 1580757 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 0:58:35 UTC

I know how Glen Beck is disliked by some around here and if you are one of those people, don't click on the links. In order to answer the question about sending troops, you need to understand the history of why the middle east is blowing up. The first link is a very good history of the whole issue and the second talks about the Khorasans and what they are about. This is history I never learned about in school and have only heard a little bit about throughout my life.
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Message 1580722 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 23:15:54 UTC

The issue is that Islam, the real Islam, is peace loving and they won't fight for themselves. As long as they won't there is nothing anyone else can do without being seen as part of the problem by the peace loving Islam. It is a catch 22.

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Message 1580664 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 20:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 1580580.  

Slow & Steady? Really? So we can expect more hostages, more beheadings, more women & children raped & killed all while the coalition will be looking for "targets of opportunity". What lovely human rights!

Well, Scotland is free to raise an army and send them over there to do what they think should be done. Oh, that's right, Scotland didn't vote to be independent.

The issue is that Islam, the real Islam, is peace loving and they won't fight for themselves. As long as they won't there is nothing anyone else can do without being seen as part of the problem by the peace loving Islam. It is a catch 22.
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Message 1580580 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 19:40:23 UTC

Personally, sod the Human Rights Brigade. Once war is declared or breaks out, let the military handle it, & politicians to STFU!

Phoney War - Now where have I heard that before?

"To give only one example. Within the past two weeks the group has been able to conduct a five-day siege against an Iraqi Army camp north of Fallujah, eventually massacring between 100 and 500 soldiers.

Such incidents will recur and it will be hard for Western nations to explain why, after all the political noise, there are no quick military solutions.

But the coalition has accepted this will be a long war, measured in months or years rather than weeks. They therefore see no rush to blow things up - slow and steady, rather than shock and awe."

Slow & Steady? Really? So we can expect more hostages, more beheadings, more women & children raped & killed all while the coalition will be looking for "targets of opportunity". What lovely human rights!

Why politicians should STFU once war/military action has been approved

So Del-boy, you think the extremists/islamists & Human Rights Brigade will be sitting still while you go ahead with your stupid loudmouthed actions?

You should have stayed quiet & let that happen. You advertising that fact, you yourself are adding to the incitement of their hatred of the West.

Nice job! Where's Maggie when you need her!
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Message 1580446 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 12:32:36 UTC - in response to Message 1580432.  

IMHO there will never ever be peace in the Middle East, because the existence of every country in it, is based upon religion, which in turn is locked in to biblical times, which they all seem to want to revert to. The complicating factor is of course the oil deposits, which is a 21C issue.

It is very tempting to want to build a 30 foot high wall around the Middle East and let them all get on with it, but of course that is just idle daydreaming. It is also tempting to offer ISIS an island somewhere where their 30,000 poeple can go and live in peace with each other and leave the rest of the world alone. Any offers?

IMHO Another acronym:(
I Think it stands for In My Humble Opinion.
I dont have any Humble Opinions about the Islamic State!
Your suggestion to deport members of them are quit good.
There are lots of space in Antarktis:)
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Message 1580436 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 12:16:30 UTC - in response to Message 1580432.  

IMHO there will never ever be peace in the Middle East, because the existence of every country in it, is based upon religion, which in turn is locked in to biblical times, which they all seem to want to revert to. The complicating factor is of course the oil deposits, which is a 21C issue.

It is very tempting to want to build a 30 foot high wall around the Middle East and let them all get on with it, but of course that is just idle daydreaming. It is also tempting to offer ISIS an island somewhere where their 30,000 poeple can go and live in peace with each other and leave the rest of the world alone. Any offers?

The Jihadist's don't want to live in peace. Don't impose Western Thinking upon these vile, evil, mass murdering, psychotic people.

They will, as Their 1000 year history had shown, 'Go Too Far'. The Western response will be horrific, as Western History has shown.
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Message 1580432 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 11:54:44 UTC

IMHO there will never ever be peace in the Middle East, because the existence of every country in it, is based upon religion, which in turn is locked in to biblical times, which they all seem to want to revert to. The complicating factor is of course the oil deposits, which is a 21C issue.

It is very tempting to want to build a 30 foot high wall around the Middle East and let them all get on with it, but of course that is just idle daydreaming. It is also tempting to offer ISIS an island somewhere where their 30,000 poeple can go and live in peace with each other and leave the rest of the world alone. Any offers?
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Message 1580420 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 10:07:23 UTC - in response to Message 1580408.  
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Personally I don't hold out much hope for this region of the world as the same crap has been going on for longer than written history.

I have hope:)
But as you say when will we see Peace in Middle East?
The Cradle of civilization!

btw the region is called Kurdistan.
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Message 1580408 - Posted: 1 Oct 2014, 9:04:37 UTC

The latest news from down under.

Be careful of flags.

http://www.news.com.au/world/boobytrapped-islamic-state-flag-kills-three-policemen-usled-air-strikes-hit-jihadists-in-syria-iraq/story-fndir2ev-1227075803379

Australian aircraft to fly reconnaissance flights over Iraq.

http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-aircraft-to-fly-over-iraq-in-fight-against-islamic-state/story-fncynjr2-1227076571509

IS maybe loosing control over oil revenues, but still controls 40% of the annual wheat harvest.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/isis-controls-40-per-cent-of-iraqs-annual-wheat-production-un-estimates/story-fnh81ifq-1227076370977

Personally I don't hold out much hope for this region of the world as the same crap has been going on for longer than written history.
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Message 1579938 - Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 16:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 1579880.  

Be afraid, very afraid

"Mrs May also promised police greater access to internet data.

The new measures will be targeted at people and groups who "stay just within the law but spread poisonous hatred", she said."

WHO defines Hate, or Hate Speech?

It appears The Right want the same power, as The Left uses, to impose THEIR will upon the population.

The Left, and The Right, should both drop dead.

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Message 1579881 - Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 13:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 1579880.  

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40 nations have formed a coalition to destroy IS & to free oppressed people, which is a lovely sentiment...

...meanwhile, back home, the citizens of the West sit idly back & watch our own leaders suppress us even further & all in the name of freedom!

Has anyone noticed that not a shot has been fired in the West?

It won't be long before we all wake up one morning to find ourselves totally screwed!
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Message 1579880 - Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 12:58:06 UTC

Be afraid, very afraid

"Mrs May also promised police greater access to internet data.

The new measures will be targeted at people and groups who "stay just within the law but spread poisonous hatred", she said."

WHO defines Hate, or Hate Speech?

It appears The Right want the same power, as The Left uses, to impose THEIR will upon the population.

The Left, and The Right, should both drop dead.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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