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消息 1683235 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 12:35:15 UTC - 回复消息 1683231.  

Glenn. Crime against humanity is an international law.
Then there are problems how to prove that a soldier have done some crime against humanity.
Are all IS Soldiers doing crime against humanity?


Janne the problem is they may come back very radicle and bring there war back home and the next thing you will know is there are terrorist attacks back home .

Plus if you have been to that area you would have had to kill someone and even behead them other wise why go and fight a war if you arm't going to kill anyone so they are not inocent of a crime . Being in that war would mean they would have done some thing bad , that is what happens in a war like this where people are not respecting the geneva convention

Many of the IS Soldiers are women and so far I haven't see them in action.
Most of all Soldiers are not engaged in battles. they do for instance logistics and other things like maintenance.
I read somewhere that in the Vietnam war only 5% where engaged in battles.

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Don't be too sure about a 'Full' Nuclear War.

Saw the results of many, and participate in a couple of War Games, when attached to NATO.

The decisions made by all sides, after Limited First Use of Nuclear Weapons, are very interesting.

Israel, N. Korea, Pakistan, and possibly Iran - in the future, have only 'Limited' capability.

Only The USA and Russia, have the Nuclear Capacity to conduct a 'Full' Nuclear War. China has 'Moderate' capacity. None are suicidal.
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I don't believe Clyde that it will be a all out nuke war . They may use limited smaller tacticle nukes . However we can not win against China in a coventinal war , there are just to many of them . There the only country that can have a 10 million man army and even if they are all killed there will be 100 more 10 million man armys they can raise and still have 500 million back in there country .

Ask yourself why are they building that Island in the south china sea ?
What is there that they are prepared to spend billions on building a artficle Air force base for ?
What with the rebuilding the silk road , it's not all about Business however that is a very good cover story .
And then what will happen if Putin joins with them ?

you state that only America and Russia have the nukes for a all out nuke war well if Putin joins with them they will have possibly the Russian nukes or there teck .

And are you so shore the Chineese don't have more nukes than we think . They are building there own space station , are you aware of that , they do have the tech to launch and build I.C.B.M's thank's to the west getting everything built in China .

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Glenn. Crime against humanity is an international law.
Then there are problems how to prove that a soldier have done some crime against humanity.
Are all IS Soldiers doing crime against humanity?


Janne the problem is they may come back very radicle and bring there war back home and the next thing you will know is there are terrorist attacks back home .

Plus if you have been to that area you would have had to kill someone and even behead them other wise why go and fight a war if you arm't going to kill anyone so they are not inocent of a crime . Being in that war would mean they would have done some thing bad , that is what happens in a war like this where people are not respecting the geneva convention
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消息 1683219 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 11:00:09 UTC - 回复消息 1682808.  

Maybe Jamme your country should be stopping them from coming back into the country or have them charged and put them in jail .That is what our government has said it intends to do they are also going to take there citizenship away and passports if they are dual citizens and deport them back to where they came from .

A bit harsh , but i i agree with the policy . one of the few things the Lib's are doing that i agree with

Glenn. Crime against humanity is an international law.
Then there are problems how to prove that a soldier have done some crime against humanity.
Are all IS Soldiers doing crime against humanity?
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消息 1683207 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 9:20:37 UTC
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I agree with Mark St that if there is going to be a WWIII it could most likely start in the Middle East, Not so much from their own internal wars, but the countries who will support either side. i.e. USA supports the Rebels, Russia supports the rogue administration, result a bigger clash.
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消息 1683198 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 7:47:59 UTC - 回复消息 1683018.  

If it "kicks off " in the middle east and escalates with Iran and other country's , think Israel will use their nukes that they wont admit having ( but everyone knows they do !) and it will be the "Sampson option" and then its ww3 . The whole area is a "tinder box" just waiting for the "spark" to ignite it


Exactly Mark , that's what i mean it will blow up real quick in our faces

Don't be too sure about a 'Full' Nuclear War.

Saw the results of many, and participate in a couple of War Games, when attached to NATO.

The decisions made by all sides, after Limited First Use of Nuclear Weapons, are very interesting.

Israel, N. Korea, Pakistan, and possibly Iran - in the future, have only 'Limited' capability.

Only The USA and Russia, have the Nuclear Capacity to conduct a 'Full' Nuclear War. China has 'Moderate' capacity. None are suicidal.


Honestly I DONT want to find out!!! but things do have a way of escalating and with USA and Israel's "relationship" its worse than Bush & Blair with his head so far up bushes arse . I aint got no problem with people of the Jewish faith but I don't trust Israel 1 stinking bit !! feckin hypocrites in my eyes until they admit certain FACTS !!
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Maybe Jamme your country should be stopping them from coming back into the country or have them charged and put them in jail .That is what our government has said it intends to do they are also going to take there citizenship away and passports if they are dual citizens and deport them back to where they came from .

A bit harsh , but i i agree with the policy . one of the few things the Lib's are doing that i agree with
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According to Russia Sweden is a nice holiday destination for IS-jihadists of the Islamic state referrer's have been identified in Sweden.
Bille Ilias Mohamed suspected to have started a recruitment base in northern Stockholm.
So far, at least 300 Swedes have already gone to the Middle East to fight for the Islamic state. Nearly 130 of them have been identified by the Security Service. Some 80 of them returned to Sweden after having fought for the Islamic State and other extremist sects. According to Säpo, many of them have received special assignment in Sweden.
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消息 1682617 - 发表于:22 May 2015, 15:25:09 UTC - 回复消息 1682613.  

If it "kicks off " in the middle east and escalates with Iran and other country's , think Israel will use their nukes that they wont admit having ( but everyone knows they do !) and it will be the "Sampson option" and then its ww3 . The whole area is a "tinder box" just waiting for the "spark" to ignite it


Exactly Mark , that's what i mean it will blow up real quick in our faces
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消息 1682613 - 发表于:22 May 2015, 15:16:26 UTC - 回复消息 1682606.  

Clyde what i'm worried about is what Putin will do . He will be able to supply them with there oil , gas , and food if it comes to war , at least at first . And then there is the problem of whom support whom . Where would Iran stand say . And then you got the crakpot Fat kim whom is having problems i beleave and may see it as his chance to attack . it can get very dirty real quick and our so called friends may not be our friends if it ever does come to war .

It will not be a quick war mate that is for shore .


If it "kicks off " in the middle east and escalates with Iran and other country's , think Israel will use their nukes that they wont admit having ( but everyone knows they do !) and it will be the "Sampson option" and then its ww3 . The whole area is a "tinder box" just waiting for the "spark" to ignite it
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Clyde what i'm worried about is what Putin will do . He will be able to supply them with there oil , gas , and food if it comes to war , at least at first . And then there is the problem of whom support whom . Where would Iran stand say . And then you got the crakpot Fat kim whom is having problems i beleave and may see it as his chance to attack . it can get very dirty real quick and our so called friends may not be our friends if it ever does come to war .

It will not be a quick war mate that is for shore .
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消息 1682587 - 发表于:22 May 2015, 13:39:29 UTC - 回复消息 1682563.  

Thank's chris but i wasn't referring to India . And there going to take at least a decade to catch China .

As some economists have said china growing at 6% today is far more than China growing at 7.5% 10 years ago as there economy is so much bigger now than what it was then , so although 7% for India sounds good it's not the same as china at 6% maybe in another 10 years it will but not now .
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Yes we know that Janne, what has your post to do with the thread title?

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消息 1682563 - 发表于:22 May 2015, 12:34:43 UTC

Yes we know that Janne, what has your post to do with the thread title?

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Yes China. Wonder what they Think about the sitution in the Middle East and Europe today.
China is the biggest economy in the World again together with India.
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Clyde this is not good and it seems they have a hidden agenda what with rebuilding the silk road !!!!

Do not under estimate China , when to Dragon starts to spit fire we may all be in big trouble

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-opposes-any-military-base-on-artificial-islands-in-the-south-china-sea-defence-minister-kevin-andrews-20150522-gh7oym.html

Some thing to think about . Nostradamus did say the west would end up fighting China and Russia and we start to lose until Russia turns on the Chinese and helps us . Let's hope he was wrong
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消息 1682165 - 发表于:21 May 2015, 16:48:37 UTC - 回复消息 1682162.  

lets hope we don't have to find out Janne .

The west was always going to lose when it came to business interests . There just to many of them and as such there economy will all ways be bigger than every other Country but i don't wish to find out who will win in a war

A great general in ww 2 said war is about attrition . The more solders you have the more chance you will have in winning and why Germany will lose this war .
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IE: China.
Awaiting their 'Boots On The Ground'.

That mite not be far off Clyde
China is rebuilding the old silk road through Pakistan and Afganistan
They will be able to go from China straight to the Indian ocean somewhere near the border of Iran and will only take 36 hrs to get there in stead of at the moment only getting there by ship which takes a week i think.

Yes Glenn. But this time with an extension all the way to Africa.
They see business oppertunities that the western World fail to see.
Who are the loosers in this game?
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IE: China.

Awaiting their 'Boots On The Ground'.


That mite not be far off Clyde

China is rebuilding the old silk road through Pakistan and Afganistan

They will be able to go from China straight to the Indian ocean somewhere near the border of Iran and will only take 36 hrs to get there in stead of at the moment only getting there by ship which takes a week i think .

Don't wish China to get involved as then it will be ww 3 .
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More girls and women than ever before are leaving Sweden to fight with terrorist groups like Isis. The Local speaks to terrorism expert Magnus Ranstorp from the Swedish Defence University about what’s luring them to leave one of the safest countries in the world to wage jihad.
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