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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Which EU nutter should be charged with treason for importing terrorists and conspiracy to support acts of terrorism? Haven't you read it? Heres a quote that comes right after calling a bunch of politicians traitors: "Instead, the Eurocrats and their allies plan to provide visa free travels to savages from the UAE and other barbaric, savage countries and cultures. It’s appalling stupidity." Pretty racist if you ask me. Listen to the nutter Cecilia Malmstrom’s proposal to offer more avenues for violent Muslims and third worlders to enter Europe. The EU has brought in over 120 million people in the past 15 years, and they wonder why their government costs and welfare payments are escalating, housing access shrinking and why the economy is stagnant… Except that Europe hasn't let in anything even close to a 125 million foreigners in the past 15 years. And the amount of Iraqi's being part of the people trying to get to Europe is not exceptionally large. All of that blog is racist drivel written by some very angry idiot who has absolutely no idea what hes talking about. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
All of that blog is racist drivel written by some very angry idiot who has absolutely no idea what hes talking about. Drivel yes, but racist? <p>The European politicians need to be charged for conspiracy to commit terrorism and for treason and face the appropriate punishment. Muslims need to be deported from the West and all trade with the Islamic world must come to an end, and be punishable with sanctions. No oil trade with them, and no weapons or military sales to them. Instead, the Eurocrats and their allies plan to provide visa free travels to savages from the UAE and other barbaric, savage countries and cultures. It’s appalling stupidity.</p> And the amount of Iraqi's being part of the people trying to get to Europe is not exceptionally large.I dont about Europe but here are the facts of my country. After the Second World War, immigration to Sweden has increased considerably. During the 1950s and 60s, many immigrants from southern Europe came to Sweden to work. Growing groups of mainly Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Germans, Poles, Croats, Albanians, Serbs, Bosnians, Turks, Chilean, Greeks, Iraqis, Iranians, Kurds, Assyrians / Syrians, Lebanese and Somalis have immigrated to Sweden. During the period 1941-2005, Sweden has received a total of 2,455,665 immigrants, but at the same time has 1,410,063 people moved from Sweden. There is now a restaurant called Eskilstuna in Erbil Kurdistan Iraq. They serve swedish food:) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
2015-06-01 Security Police did during Monday crackdown in two locations in Sweden, the suspected recruitment and training relating to terrorism. Investigator and prosecutor Ronnie Jacobsson has decided searches and arrests. https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sakerhetspolisen.se%2Fovrigt%2Fpressrum%2Faktuellt%2Faktuellt%2F2015-06-01-tillslag-i-orebro---misstankt-terrorrekrytering.html&edit-text= |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
I dont about Europe but here are the facts of my country. I'm not saying that there haven't been Iraqi's that have moved to Europe. I'm saying its not an exceptionally large number, compared to everywhere else immigrants come from originally. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I'm not saying that there haven't been Iraqi's that have moved to Europe. I'm saying its not an exceptionally large number, compared to everywhere else immigrants come from originally. Why do keep saying Europe. Europe is not a country. It's a continent. What do you mean by exceptionally large number? Give me numbers and we can discuss. In Sweden there are now 10 millions inhabitants. Russia are shocked by they fact that we Scandinavians soon will cease to exist. So what? Please give me some stats of exceptionally large number of immigrants from a country coming to an European country I dont know. Oops Greece, Italy, Turkey and Spain.... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Russia are shocked by they fact that we Scandinavians soon will cease to exist. Janne that means you guys aren't shagging enough and having babies so mybe you need to do more shagging and have more baby's . And if the Lady's don't wish to be bear foot and pregnant ( as my ex would say )then i'm shore you lot are modern enough to tell them , "hey babe you don't need to stop working i'll stop and be a house husband and do the mummy things and you can be the bread winner " Not that i think that will work but no harm trying i spose . |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
First Swedish person to join Kurdish YPG against IS. Jesper Söder, to the right, wearing his Swedish military uniform. https://twitter.com/ShilanSaidi/status/604187227615150080/photo/1 @Glenn. Heheh. The thing is that it's only poor people that propagate. Swedish-Eritrean journalist Dawit Isak has been arbitrarily imprisoned by Eritrea regime for 5000 days. He must be set free. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Norwegian 18-year old man has been arrested by Swedish security police at Landvetter Airport in Gothenburg. He should have tried to join the terror group IS in Syria. "We have had good cooperation with SÄPO", says Martin Bernsen in Norwegian PST. He's an ethnic Norwegian Citizen and resides in Oslo. https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvarlden%2Fterrormisstankt-norrman-gripen-i-goteborg%2F&edit-text= |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Does anyone else see the basic flaw in sending 450 troops to an airbase located halfway between two cities recently captured by ISIS? There are an estimated 8 to 12,000 ISIS ‘troops’ in Iraq, They would LOVE the chance to capture then publicly murder American soldiers. WHO IS GOING TO PROTECT those 450 Americans from the SURROUNDING ISIS terrorists? The Iraqi Army? ISIS has proven the life of their soldiers is cheap and they would sacrifice as many as needed to capture even ONE American soldier. Sending anything less than a FULL BRIGADE with armor and air support is a suicide mission. Imagine what the image of American Soldiers being caged and burned alive or beheaded appearing on the internet would do for ISIS recruitment. I SINCERELY hope I’m wrong, or that someone stops this stupidity before what I feel is inevitable occurs. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
I watched 'Frontline/Obama's War' on the uber liberal Public Broadcasting System last night. It was surprisingly critical of the non-strategy that exists blaming Obummer's failure to followup on his threat of air strikes against the Assad regime. Maybe even those who drank the Obama Koolaid in 2008 are finally starting to realize what they have done..... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Blablabla Obama sucks because he doesn't recklessly send in troops into a conflict the US doesn't comprehend nor is equipped to fight. What a worthless commander indeed. Has Obama's policy failed? Yeah sure, but it has failed because there literally is no policy that would have succeeded at this point in time. A more aggressive president would have turned this ugly mess into an even bigger mess. So be glad you got Obama and not some idiot that started another ground war that would have taken another 5-10 years with no gains whatsoever. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
So be glad you got Obama and not some idiot that started another ground war that would have taken another 5-10 years with no gains whatsoever. WOW, Мишель, I would NEVER have expected a statement like that from you..... ....take another BIG SIP! "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
You may be correct regarding any solutions. The World made a decision, in 1946 in Nuremberg that certain actions were not to be tolerated, period. The murder of innocents by any group was deemed a 'Crime against Humanity', The question is, do NOT the civilized nations of the World have a moral obligation to stop what is being perpetrated by ISIS and Assad? If the answer is no, then the UN should be disbanded and each country fend for itself. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
You may be correct regarding any solutions. Its not like I don't want to help those people. But before you can help people, you need to understand what the best approach to helping really is. And then you need to determine whether you are willing and able to do what it takes to help. Blindly stumbling into a conflict where we don't understand the underlying dynamics, where we don't have an actual long term strategy on how to disrupt and stop these dynamics, that is not helping, that is only making things worse. Remember how we thought we were 'helping' the Iraqi's when we invaded their country? And see what our lack of understanding has resulted in? We cannot afford to repeat that mistake or this conflict will continue to burn into the next decade. There are solutions to this type of conflict, except they are politically impossible to implement as they clash with geo strategic interests of China and Russia, require billions of dollars and a complete overhaul of military strategy. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The question is, do NOT the civilized nations of the World have a moral obligation to stop what is being perpetrated by ISIS and Assad? Yeah, but how do you do that without making things even worse? The rule for military intervention and regime change should always be that your intervention and regime change cannot result in an even worse situation than before your intervention. And sadly we see that in the majority of our interventions, we actually make things a lot worse than before we intervened. We may have the best intentions, but those intentions mean nothing if we cause thousands more to die. It is as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
And with every word spoken in debate about the 'best strategy' another 1,000 women and children are butchered and enslaved. There is a solution but it requires a level of physical and moral courage found in very few leaders today. They are too worried about the way they or their power base will look in the next election. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
And with every word spoken in debate about the 'best strategy' another 1,000 women and children are butchered and enslaved. There is a solution but it requires a level of physical and moral courage found in very few leaders today. They are too worried about the way they or their power base will look in the next election. And every wrong strategy employed can kill 10.000 women and children in the following years. Just look at Libya. We intervened, we picked a side, and now the country is on fire. Our intervention was short sighted and now the country is going to burn. Is that what you want for Syria and Iraq? On top of that, the right strategy, which will take decades to see through, well yeah, that requires some long term thinking and that is something that our current politicians are fundamentally incapable off. But can you blame them? They will lose the next election because our current society is not interested in solutions that take decades to work out. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30903 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What is the exit strategy? It seems you are arguing police tactics, not military engagement. Exit strategy for the military is the enemy signs an unconditional surrender. The military is not a police force and should not be used as such. Here in the USA we have a problem because we militarized our police. It doesn't work, and we have Black Lives Matter as a result. So you want Sunni Lives Matter and Shiite Lives Matter on your blood stained hands also? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
What is the exit strategy? You are fighting an enemy that cannot sign an unconditional surrender, nor would it do such a thing if it could. This is not an enemy that can be defeated by killing them quicker than they can replenish themselves. Do not bother fighting a war like that because it will only serve to continue the conflict. The old saying that 'speed is the essence of war' does not apply to groups like IS or Al Nusra. They can and will outlast you if you try to fight them like that. They profit from it and they will defeat you because of it. The military is not a police force and should not be used as such. Here in the USA we have a problem because we militarized our police. It doesn't work, and we have Black Lives Matter as a result. So you want Sunni Lives Matter and Shiite Lives Matter on your blood stained hands also? If you want to solve this conflict you have no choice in the matter. The military will have to act like a police force, it must remain a neutral force that punishes all transgressors equally and uphold the rule of law. That way, human rights violations will stop and society can begin to rebuild itself again along humanitarian principles. Also, the militarization of US police is a problem because instead of training the police like the military, you guys just give them military equipment without ever training them in how to use it properly. The rules of engagement used by the police are completely unacceptable by any military standards. If the American military were to police, black lives matter wouldn't happen, because the military wouldn't wave their guns around as much and they wouldn't end up shooting unarmed suspects. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Also, the militarization of US police is a problem because instead of training the police like the military, you guys just give them military equipment without ever training them in how to use it properly. The rules of engagement used by the police are completely unacceptable by any military standards. If the American military were to police, black lives matter wouldn't happen, because the military wouldn't wave their guns around as much and they wouldn't end up shooting unarmed suspects. Is that the experience from your long career in US Law Enforcement and the Military speaking again? With regard to ISIS, you don't negotiate with Cockroaches, you exterminate them. The best exterminators in the world is the US Military. What happens after the bugs are squashed is the business of the residents of the country, if they choose to continue killing innocent women and children, you squash them again. I realize that the concept of real evil in the world is foreign to your 'give 'em a hug' dogma but when it's your sister, mother, niece or nephew your viewpoint will be entirely different. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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