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消息 1686228 - 发表于:31 May 2015, 8:32:05 UTC - 回复消息 1686178.  

No.

It is a Fascist Country. According to Fascism Founder - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

I will take HIS definition, over yours.

No its not, not even according to the definition you just gave there, and that definition of Fascism is woefully incomplete. What that bit describes is general authoritarianism, things that are common to all authoritarian regimes.

1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.

Technically correct, but incomplete. Fascism is extremely nationalistic at its core. The Fascist state is not just all encompassing in the sense that it controls all aspects of the economy and individuals behavior, as is standard in every authoritarian state, the Fascist state is all encompassing in the sense that it is the nation. For Fascists, there is only the state, which is also the nation, and which provides all meaning and value to life itself. Hence, conforming to what the state says is not the objective, its that everything that is done is done from a perspective of strengthening and supporting the state.

In China though, the State is far from all encompassing. Yes it has a huge degree of control over the economy and the individual, but it is far from all encompassing, nor is the State the sole thing from which the Chinese derive meaning and value.

2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.

True, but only further proof that China doesn't fit your definition. China's implied goal is not the rule the world or even just a significant portion of it. Its policies aren't expansionist, its military for the most part confined to its direct sphere of influence in SE-Asia.

3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.

Again, true, but applicable to every authoritarian state. Its in the nature of authoritarian states to silence dissent.

As I said, this definition of Fascism is incomplete. Real Fascism is extremely conservative in its outlook. It is the complete rejection of centuries of progress, which is why it rejects Liberalism and Marxism as decadent. It can also be seen in their gender and sexuality politics, with their rejection of homosexuality, birth control and women's rights. To them a good women makes babies for the state, while a good men represses his sexuality and emotions. Fascism is a patriarchy in an extreme form. Again, clearly not the case with China given their one child policies and at least theoretical lip service to the idea that men and women are equals.

Finally, Fascism can't tolerate people who think. Its why they go after intellectuals. To a Fascist, good people don't think, they act, and by act they mean fight everyone who stands in your way. This hyperviolent outlook on life is part of the reason why they are such strong supporters of social darwinism and why they often pursue state expansionism through military violence. Again, say what you want about the Chinese, but they definitely do not promote an attitude that says fight first, ask questions second.

So really, the only thing China has in common with Fascists is that they are both authoritarian regimes and share some of the common elements found in all authoritarian regimes. But when it comes to the philosophy behind it, US Neo-Cons have more in common with Fascists that the Chinese.
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消息 1685366 - 发表于:28 May 2015, 23:26:25 UTC - 回复消息 1685223.  

Why is Chinese Leadership willing, as I believe, to engage in a Military Confrontation, with The USA, over 'New Islands'?


Clyde the chineese think we wont attack them . Where not committed to the Middle East and piece there . North Korea do what they wont

They need oil and so the next target is the middle east . Up untill now the only way for China to get oil or defend there interests was a 2 week boat trip .

Once the Island , Airbase is built that will shorten the trip , and the silk highway will shorten it more .

The South China Sea is a very strategic place for most of the worlds shipping .

Your own polly's let the cat out off the bag , when they said the b-1 stealth boomers will be keep'd here on call so your gov must have concern's about what is happening

Clyde there still a MARXSIST country , they may have capitalism but it's still a commy country just has more upper class communist's (hippocrites)
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消息 1685230 - 发表于:28 May 2015, 18:01:48 UTC - 回复消息 1685219.  

Historically, unless China can project its Military Power Internationally, and soon: They are, as many others in the past, subjected to the whims, and bad intentions, of other Countries and Interests.

It can and has already done so in the past. During the Korean war, the Vietnam war, etc. Their army is large, modernizing rapidly, they have access to nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to use them as a deterrent. If it becomes necessary China is able to use brute force to protect its interests.

Western Europe, has been living as a Protectorate, to the American Empire. Helps both sides. Western Europe does not have the International Military Capability to defend it's energy, or imports. That was left up to the American Empire, with its Powerful Navy, Air Force, and International Logistic Bases. This helped both sides economically, and also helped defend against another Expanding Empire (USSR). Nothing new since Sumeria.

Yes it does have the military capacity to do so. Sure, we have been overly reliant on the US for the past few decades, but overly reliant does not mean we aren't capable to do anything without the US. It just means that if we have to respond to a crisis, we will be slower and less effective than the US. Although I expect this to change in the coming decades, thanks to Putin.

The West has deep problems, but surmountable. China has deep, deep, systemic problems.

Yes it has some systemic problems, problems it is currently doing its best to fix. And those problems are surmountable as well. Corruption and environmental degradation are problems that China can and will fix if it puts the effort into it, and its currently doing just that. Its lack of freedom and democracy are hardly problems given that China does not have a culture that promotes individualism and personal freedom, which are the key elements that make freedom and democracy work to a degree over here. As such, you can't rely on massive civil protests the moment the economic growth slows down, because even then the average Chinese will still be wealthier and more free than they have ever been in the past few thousand years.
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消息 1685069 - 发表于:28 May 2015, 9:45:37 UTC

And so people understand i was talking about the Old Silk Road .

A Highway from China to the ocean via Pakistan , Afagaistan . Upgraded to a 4 lane Highway
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消息 1685058 - 发表于:28 May 2015, 9:11:49 UTC - 回复消息 1684787.  

Understand I look at the Present, as if it is 1000/2000 years from now (how I taught). What is different, and similar, to 1000/2000 years ago, from today?

Really nothing.

Right, so you believe that nothing is similar yet nothing has changed as well. At least, that is what you literally just stated. That is an interesting take on history, but also immediately proves history is anything but your area of expertise.

Most living today, as then: Believe they are different, and the outcome will be different.

You don't know what people believe nor how it affects their handling of the situation they find themselves in.

Understanding Historical Time Frames: Is to understand that Collapses, which appear to happen quickly - are a matter of decades.

No collapse is permanent or total. Europes power has waned compared to the 19th century, but we are still around and a force to be reckoned with. China has 'collapsed' after it was one of the most powerful countries on the planet for thousands of years, and now they are back. Russia 'collapsed' after the fall of the Soviet Union, and while they have not completely recovered, they are still a major player on this planet.


China, since it doesn't Control the 'means of their wealth', will end up like all the others. They too, didn't understand.

Right, if anyone understands their base of power its China. I'm not to worried about their sudden collapse any time soon.
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消息 1685006 - 发表于:28 May 2015, 6:26:45 UTC

Clyde don't underestermate China . 1,500,000,000 people

we export aprox 500,000,000 tons of Iron ore per year and they are not using it all but stockpiling it ?.

6 % of there economy today is not the same as last year so even thou it is not as high as 7-8% it doesn't need to be , it's all ready 10 trillion plus your 16 and you owe heaps they don't .

The Art of war is to Plan for the Future . Access to the silk road , Islands in the South china Sea that where never there . the biggest Sea Lane in the World ?

If there is no war then China will be the biggest economy Clyde . Not a Bubble economy

They have plenty of there own raw materials

We lost the economic war the moment we started doing business with them .

I just hope they don't some how have boots on the ground in the middle East
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消息 1684508 - 发表于:26 May 2015, 15:26:35 UTC

Skyping with the enemy: I went undercover as a jihadi girlfriend

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消息 1684496 - 发表于:26 May 2015, 14:47:21 UTC - 回复消息 1684491.  

Nothing new, if you understand he history, of these type of countries. China is temporary, as history teaches us.

Clearly you have never touched a history book if you honestly believe that China is only 'temporary'. They have been around longer and generally where more advanced than everyone else. The Chinese people have never been healthier, safer, wealthier and enjoyed more freedom than right at this moment.
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消息 1684351 - 发表于:26 May 2015, 4:22:52 UTC - 回复消息 1683302.  

Clyde how you going to make the touch screens you don't have lot's of rare earths mate so that mite just cause you a problems and a big one at that .
It looks to me it's the U.S that can have there economy stuffed up quick if China stopped doing business

And in a war what your saying is B/s i remind you about ww 2 germany didn't lose because they couldn't sell the products mate . Hell even when they lost the oil field they where able to produce enough other ways . It wasn't till there oil production plants where bombed did they have a problem.

If it comes to a war Clyde they can get the raw materials from Russia and Mongolia . The oil will come from the south china sea as well as Russia and then what if Iran joins them they will have plenty of oil . The west has made a lot of ememy's so don't think we will get there support if it comes down to a war .

Over confidence will be the death of us all.

And computer sim's arn't that good other wise why are we back in Iraq shouldn't the sim's have shown what was going to happen , but they didn't

Put garbage in and you get garbage out so sim's are only as good as what the info is program'd into them .

Screw touch screens> whats wrong with the old CRT screens?
Personnaly get rid of all the tech for the lsat 30 years would not spoil my sleep at all.
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消息 1683972 - 发表于:25 May 2015, 8:18:54 UTC

What the ...
The terrorist group Islamic State takeover of the provincial capital of Ramadi is a strong evidence that Iraqi forces lack the "will to fight" claimed US Defense Ash Carter!
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svt.se%2Fnyheter%2Futrikes%2Firakierna-saknar-stridsvilja&edit-text=
It's about time to take a field trip to Ramadi, Ash!
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消息 1683664 - 发表于:24 May 2015, 12:00:51 UTC - 回复消息 1683576.  

How does China, a temporary 'bubble' economy, pay for this, when their goods are undercut?
Nothing new in history, regarding a China type.
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Chinas temporary 'bubble' economy?
Watch this and Think again:)
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21623758-chinas-back?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/chinasbacklivechart#
Next centuary we in the west perhaps are back in business...
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消息 1683632 - 发表于:24 May 2015, 8:51:30 UTC

I don't know all the facts about why how or what , but i have wondered if it mite just work if we did what was done in Japan after WW 2

Occupy it until it is stable even if that means we end up being there for 20 yrs to make shore there is fair elections and good policing and the country's are rebuilt and stable .

Looks good on paper Glenn! But look at what happened to the British Commonwealth, and specifically Africa. As soon as the Brits turned their backs all the Despots and tyrants came out of the woodwork. Amin, Mugabe etc.

Put garbage in and you get garbage out so sim's are only as good as what the info is program'd into them .

Yep GIGO.
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消息 1683560 - 发表于:24 May 2015, 4:22:41 UTC - 回复消息 1683556.  

Q: What is the exit strategy?


Good question .

I don't know all the facts about why how or what , but i have wondered if it mite just work if we did what was done in Japan after WW 2

Occupy it until it is stable even if that means we end up being there for 20 yrs to make shore there is fair elections and good policing and the country's are rebuilt and stable .

In stead of appointing someone as the leader and then pulling out once the first bogus election has been held .
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消息 1683556 - 发表于:24 May 2015, 4:04:11 UTC

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Q: What is the exit strategy?

Unless the answer is: "The enemy signs an unconditional instrument of surrender." then the west should not send any troops.

We have not reached that point yet.
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消息 1683315 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 15:57:36 UTC - 回复消息 1683273.  

Well. How about this Mark:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu
He is also known as John Crossman.
In autumn 2004 he sought political asylum in, inter alia, Sweden, although this was denied him.


From what I remember from a BBC documentary about him "nuclear secrets episode called Vanunu & the bomb" its on you tube he was released from prison but is under house arrest and int allowed to talk to anyone or go anywere . That doco int my only bit of info on him neither is Wikipedia .

With what Glenn posted I think the WHOLE world View is changing , China is assending , USA are going down the leaders table . It always happened Gt Britain ruled shiteloads now look at the country same as F1 Red bull ruled for a few years but so has Ferrari , McLaren and Williams . Teams go up and down same as country's do , has happened always will happen !
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消息 1683302 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 15:36:09 UTC - 回复消息 1683274.  

Clyde how you going to make the touch screens you don't have lot's of rare earths mate so that mite just cause you a problems and a big one at that .
It looks to me it's the U.S that can have there economy stuffed up quick if China stopped doing business

And in a war what your saying is B/s i remind you about ww 2 germany didn't lose because they couldn't sell the products mate . Hell even when they lost the oil field they where able to produce enough other ways . It wasn't till there oil production plants where bombed did they have a problem.

If it comes to a war Clyde they can get the raw materials from Russia and Mongolia . The oil will come from the south china sea as well as Russia and then what if Iran joins them they will have plenty of oil . The west has made a lot of ememy's so don't think we will get there support if it comes down to a war .

Over confidence will be the death of us all.

And computer sim's arn't that good other wise why are we back in Iraq shouldn't the sim's have shown what was going to happen , but they didn't

Put garbage in and you get garbage out so sim's are only as good as what the info is program'd into them .
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Well. How about this Mark:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu
He is also known as John Crossman.
In autumn 2004 he sought political asylum in, inter alia, Sweden, although this was denied him.
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消息 1683272 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 14:29:10 UTC - 回复消息 1683263.  

Mark...

Agree. But....

I also don't trust any British Government, American Government, et al.

The only saving grace of Israel is this: Their enemy's, in the region, are far, far, far, worse.[/quote]

You think I trust the British government ? , least with the Conservatives we know wel get screwed over , , don't trust Labour 1 bit with their wel make everything alright and after their time they practically bankrupted this country !! scocialist scum that's what I think of them . I don't trust the USA and aint bashing them , my Auntie married a USAF serviceman when he was stationed at Bentwaters / Woodbridge bases and hes half American Indian , my cousins both married and eldest cuz husband fly's blackhawks from Hawii (were pearl harbour is ) other cuz husbands a staff sgt in Ft Rilley or Ft worth aint sure what 1 ( move to much) .
Theres 1 big difference Israel has got around 200 THERMONUCLEAR weapons no one around the middle east has Israel wont allow them to !! aint going to post links ( cant remember how to ) its easy enough to google . Give you a start 1 place name DIMONA and 1 name Mordici Vanunu
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消息 1683270 - 发表于:23 May 2015, 14:27:48 UTC - 回复消息 1683267.  

Defeating China, is not occupying that country, nor incinerating a Billion People (within The USA's capability).
Their Economy can be 'collapsed' very quickly.
Again. They don't control the means of their wealth.

Thats very true Clyde.
All economies in the World are depending of other countries economy.
It's even has a name. Global Economy.
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In Saudi Arabia there are now 8 free positions to work as a executor.
No qualification needed!


what's the pay like if it's any good i mite apply I think i can still swing a axe or sward even with my bad back hehehehehehe
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